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Quote from: larens on 22/05/2020 22:27:38, so I go ahead and produce a successful model. It's not a success, because it requires the utterly implausible intervention (among other things) of titanocene dicarbonyl.
, so I go ahead and produce a successful model.
The solubility of calcium titanate is roughly zero.You don't get a concentrated solution of it.
And yet you say "Quote from: larens on 22/05/2020 22:27:38I go ahead and produce a successful model.Whereas a pessimist won't waste time on stuff that's impossible.Who knows? They might actually achieve something instead of cluttering bandwidth with impossible nonsense.
I go ahead and produce a successful model.
How do you know it's successful if you haven't tested it?
Let's face it. Even in a simple thought experiment, it failed the test.He still thinks it passed.
I test it everyday by taking a missing piece of my analysis and finding a straightforward explanation for what that piece implies.
It is not a valid test because you have shown that you are not a creative, practical scientist that would recognize a successful new theory if it bit you.
Quote from: larens on 23/05/2020 01:54:33I test it everyday by taking a missing piece of my analysis and finding a straightforward explanation for what that piece implies.That's not a scientific test. That's just adjusting your model.
Quote from: larens on 23/05/2020 01:54:33It is not a valid test because you have shown that you are not a creative, practical scientist that would recognize a successful new theory if it bit you.If a system like the one you described was built and it resulted in the creation of living organisms, I would call that successful. Before that, I wouldn't call it successful because you don't know if it would even work.
Calcium titanate is significantly soluble in calcite saturated ASF solution.
Quote from: larens on 23/05/2020 01:54:33Calcium titanate is significantly soluble in calcite saturated ASF solution.https://xkcd.com/285/
Ammonium greatly reduces the activity of carbonate. This greatly raises the activity of calcium.
If I can do an analysis on a new piece and get a satisfactory result, that is a positive test.
Quote from: larens on 23/05/2020 16:25:51 Ammonium greatly reduces the activity of carbonate. This greatly raises the activity of calcium. Wel... sort of.Excess ammonium sulphate will tend to displace CO2 from calcite- which is a pity since you were hoping to use calcite fro things.
So the science says that if there's calcite and ammonium sulphate present, the solubility of calcium titanate is likely to be reduced.
Quote from: larens on 23/05/2020 08:12:43If I can do an analysis on a new piece and get a satisfactory result, that is a positive test.How can you know that the result is satisfactory if you don't know that your set-up can give rise to life?
Ammonium sulphate will destroy metallic nickel.
No. What I am saying is Quote from: Bored chemist on 23/05/2020 17:36:45Ammonium sulphate will destroy metallic nickel.You can tell, because that's what I actually said.It's the acidity which does it.The complexing ability of ammonium sulphate- on which you seem to be depending- is nil (unlike that of ammonia).
there has to some regulation by the organic material separating them.
Quote from: larens on 23/05/2020 18:52:51there has to some regulation by the organic material separating them. So, "magic" then...
Only if you consider life "magic" rather than a result of natural processes.
Since my goal is to model the origin of life, a satisfactory result is one that is compatible with that goal.
Quote from: larens on 23/05/2020 17:33:13Since my goal is to model the origin of life, a satisfactory result is one that is compatible with that goal.You don't know that it's compatible.
If I used your philosophy, all I could do at the beginning was to wail, "I can't proceed! I don't have the final results!"
Quote from: larens on 23/05/2020 19:56:01Only if you consider life "magic" rather than a result of natural processes.Life before there was life is magic.