An essay in futility, too long to read :)

yor_on · « **Reply #39540 on:** 15/12/2022 13:48:29 »

At least from the side of people living in Europe. For USA it might seem a different matter as they start up their LNG deliveries, as well as if they can restrict what comes to Europe.

yor_on · « **Reply #39541 on:** 15/12/2022 14:06:22 »

As it looks today it wouldn't surprise me if Russia, and so Mr Putin, would think of annexing Ukraine in a case of 'winning it'. Don't think this was any planned intention from the beginning, gaining a fast and relatively bloodless victory, but as it looks today with this war grinding on forever?

yor_on · « **Reply #39542 on:** 15/12/2022 14:08:49 »

Then again, I think it's more probable with it spreading, all the way to the west. And then we can forget about 'winners'

Zer0 · « **Reply #39543 on:** 15/12/2022 14:56:45 »

Quote from: yor_on on 14/12/2022 21:40:35

Or we could say it has a lot to do with Mr Putin, and compatriots, the same Russia that once thought they would be able to join NATO, but got a polite 'no'.

If the USSR or Russia would have Joined NATO, things would have Probably been so Different...

Maybe then even China & India would have followed suit..

How come Canada, Australia & Japan are Not already part of NATO?

alancalverd · « **Reply #39544 on:** 15/12/2022 16:36:24 »

Quote from: yor_on on 15/12/2022 13:35:55

It's still about geopolitics Alan, no matter how you turn it around.

Bollocks. The planet has nothing to do with it, and such meaningless abstractions do not excuse bad behavior.

It is all about bullies and parasites being allowed to tell others what to do. Putin is a bully and a parasite (why else would he have joined the KGB?) just like Hitler, Trump, Pinochet, and various Popes throughout the ages.

alancalverd · « **Reply #39545 on:** 15/12/2022 16:39:13 »

Quote from: Zer0 on 15/12/2022 14:56:45

How come Canada, Australia & Japan are Not already part of NATO?

Canada was a founding member and is still a member.The others do not have any geographical connection with the North Atlantic.
But don't let the facts spoil a good argument.

yor_on · « **Reply #39546 on:** 15/12/2022 20:50:23 »

Well, it's all part of a game Alan. Which I think sux. That's why I push for a real democracy, instead of 'representative democracies' or any type of hierarchies. And so do you although you prefer a hierarchical model.

yor_on · « **Reply #39547 on:** 15/12/2022 20:55:08 »

Let's talk about something different.

Cold winters

2018 https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/greenland-high-arctic-air-pressure-may-be-causing-extreme-weather-uk-1556870

They seem to forget this study

2016 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160426215430.htm

and a result of global warming

yor_on · « **Reply #39548 on:** 15/12/2022 20:57:08 »

So what does it mean?

2022 https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/winter-pattern-december-blocking-cold-air-polar-vortex-split-united-states-europe-fa/

and https://www.axios.com/2022/12/08/greenland-block-extreme-weather-white-christmas

yor_on · « **Reply #39549 on:** 15/12/2022 21:01:40 »

We will see more of this. Seesaw patterns of cold winters, droughts and floods in the summer hitting us more frequently and harder.

yor_on · « **Reply #39550 on:** 15/12/2022 21:02:36 »

With it added greenhouse emissions from the arctic and surrounding areas, and wild fires growing.

yor_on · « **Reply #39551 on:** 15/12/2022 21:06:43 »

We can't afford those wars on top of global warming, while also losing topsoil, forests, clean water and our groundwater. But the way we act we instead will create more of those blame games.

yor_on · « **Reply #39552 on:** 15/12/2022 21:07:41 »

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/15/oregon-dead-fir-trees-conifers-climate-crisis

yor_on · « **Reply #39553 on:** 15/12/2022 21:09:57 »

Then we have this

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/14/walkouts-and-tensions-as-row-over-finance-threatens-to-derail-cop15-talks

Same problem as with Cop27

yor_on · « **Reply #39554 on:** 15/12/2022 21:10:56 »

It made me curios

" “Brazil and China are the biggest recipients of GEF funding. Donor countries find it hard to swallow that so much of our overseas aid goes to them. So, we talk about broadening the donor base, ie adding parties like Brazil and China to the donor list rather than the recipient list. "

yor_on · « **Reply #39555 on:** 15/12/2022 21:12:15 »

So first, what is GEF?

https://fiftrustee.worldbank.org/en/about/unit/dfi/fiftrustee/fund-detail/gef

yor_on · « **Reply #39556 on:** 15/12/2022 21:13:26 »

https://www.thegef.org/newsroom/news/china-and-gef-working-hand-hand-sustainable-development

yor_on · « **Reply #39557 on:** 15/12/2022 21:15:27 »

At the same time as " China was the largest recipient of foreign direct investment in 2020 as the coronavirus outbreak spread across the world during the course of the year, with the Chinese economy having brought in $163 billion in inflows."

The economic 'engine' of Europe, and USA

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-fdi-idUSKBN29T0TC

yor_on · « **Reply #39558 on:** 15/12/2022 21:17:25 »

At the same time as China " Became Africa's Biggest Aid Donor "

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-and-why-china-became_b_9775722

yor_on · « **Reply #39559 on:** 15/12/2022 21:18:07 »