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Life Sciences => Physiology & Medicine => Topic started by: profound on 25/01/2013 19:51:21
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A research team,listed below , found that the more vaccines a child receives during a single doctor visit, the more likely he or she is to suffer a severe reaction or even die. According to Heidi Stevenson from Gaia Health, for each additional vaccine a child receives, his or her chance of death increases by an astounding 50 percent -- and with each additional vaccine dose, chances of having to be hospitalized for severe complications increase two-fold. To sum it all up, the overall size of the vaccine load was found to be directly associated with hospitalization and death risk, illustrating the incredible dangers of administering multiple vaccines at once.
The total number of reported hospitalizations and deaths from getting just one vaccine was higher than the number reported for getting two, three, or even four vaccines.
It is thought that newborns mostly fall into the one vaccine category, and those that are injured by a single vaccine tend not to get any more vaccines, hence the immediate decrease observed among children who received only two vaccines. Once a child reaches five vaccinations; however, the hospitalization and death rate jumps dramatically.
Here is the link.Look at the graph.
It is very scary.I wish I could post that graph here but i don't know how.
What I do now know is that vaccines are dangerous largely untested,ineffective,pedaled by huge corporate money making pharmaceutical interests who have corrupted our regulatory bodies by installing their own "consultants".
We all now should know that "consultants are nothing more than "Rent a Blanks"" who will do what their Masters tell them for a paycheck.
I just did a vaccine ingredients search on google.You should do the same.
I then cross referenced it with the list of toxic substances by the CDC and guess what?
Everyone of those ingredients in a vaccine has potential toxic or carcinogenic or neurologically damaging effects.I suggest YOU do the same
Yet these dangerous substances are injected into us in the name of money.
Here is the link to the research:-
http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2013-01-13/medical-childrens-psych-journal-wont-retract-fraudulent-paxil-study/
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Here is also the full document referenced in the article, also available in full PDF form.
het.sagepub. com/content/31/10/1012.full.pdf (remove spaces)
The percents used in the study are a bit odd, as they are calculating the percent mortality per total number of reports in any category, rather than calculating it per total number of vaccinated children.
Nonetheless, for children under 1 year of age, the vaccine associated mortality rate apparently peaks around 2 months of age, and decreases as the child gets older. Are all of these deaths due to vaccines, or are some due to other causes, and blamed on the vaccine or doctor visit?
It wasn't clear from the report if the multi-dose vaccinations tended to occur early in life, and thus the higher mortality rate was due to young age, rather than multi-dose therapy.
Of course, there is also no mention of mortality/morbidity earlier when the diseases now being vaccinated against were at epidemic levels.
If the vaccines are much safer after 1, it certainly wouldn't hurt to analyze each pathogen for likely exposure age, and then if the likely exposure, or morbidity age is greater than one year, delay the administration of the vaccine.
Very few American children would be exposed to the Polio pathogen. So, except for the children anticipating to travel internationally, there would be no reason to administer IPV before 1 year of age.
I had thought the same was true with Hep B vaccine for children with Hep B negative parents. However, apparently studies had indicated thousands of children are being infected with Hep B even with Hep B negative parents. And, the risk of chronic infection is much higher for the young children, causing long-term morbidity/mortality.
I'm not sure of any other vaccines that I would delay. Perhaps evaluate delaying rubella as the greatest concern is the disease in unvaccinated adults.
I have seen children infected with meningococcus. It is not a pretty sight. I certainly would not do anything to increase the risk to children. Likewise, I believe tetanus is still prevalent in the USA, although perhaps rural children have greater potential exposure than urban children, so the vaccination age could be stratified based on where the person lives.
Spreading the vaccines out more may also be a problem as it may be harder to track the vaccines, and harder to make sure the kids do come back to get the vaccines, and more expensive as it would take more physician visits. Furthermore, the data in this study isn't sufficient to conclude the overall mortality is lower from additional applications of the meds.
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If you show Bugs bunny cartoons to 145 thousand kids some will die the next day. Some will die if you DON'T show the cartoons.
How many UN vaccinated kids would have died out of that 145 thousand had they not been vaccinated?
Let's take the chicken pox vaccine as an example. A "chicken pox party" used to be common in America. If a child came down with chicken pox in the summer, the other mothers would bring their kids around for a dish of ice cream and a whacking good infection with varicella virus to get through it before school started.
Still some people resist vaccinating their kids. This is properly called "to autodarwinate" and shows that creation is working even as I write this
California has recently gone through an outbreak of Pertussis which carried off some 1-2 month old infants and turned others into brain-damaged gorks. Why was this?
The Bordatella germ constantly circulates in the adult population. These Uncles, Aunts and fools in the supermarkets coughed on the infants before they could be immunized.
Next stop --- stiff city.
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Let's take the chicken pox vaccine as an example. A "chicken pox party" used to be common in America. If a child came down with chicken pox in the summer, the other mothers would bring their kids around for a dish of ice cream and a whacking good infection with varicella virus to get through it before school started.
Chickenpox kills about 90 people a year in the USA.
The estimated death rate for chicken pox is 1.4 per 100,000 cases (0.00 14%) in normal children, but rises to 30.9 deaths per I 00,000 cases (0.0309 %) in adults. (http://www.all.org/article/index/id/MjUyNg)
Thus the protective benefit of getting the disease early, something that has been known for quite some time.
However, the chickenpox virus from latent infections also causes about 500,000 cases of shingles a year in the USA, some of which can lead to long-term neuralgia or neuropathy.
Personally, I wish I had received the chickenpox vaccine, even if a booster is required, rather than knowing that I will live the rest of my live with the risk of developing shingles due to likely carrying a latent chickenpox infection.
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I myself believe that the benefits of vaccination out-weigh the possible side-effects.
I've often thought that the only reason people get away with not vaccinating their children, is because everyone else does.
I came down with whooping cough a couple of years ago. It frustrates me that I can get a disease that there is a vaccination for. Whooping cough is devastating to babies, there is a vaccination for it, yet I still hear of numerous cases each year.
Perhaps we need more education on the effects of the diseases we vaccinate against, to balance out the mis-information about how dangerous vaccinations are.
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I came down with whooping cough a couple of years ago. It frustrates me that I can get a disease that there is a vaccination for. Whooping cough is devastating to babies, there is a vaccination for it, yet I still hear of numerous cases each year.
For some time it was believed that the Whooping Cough vaccine was more harmful for adults than the disease.
So, while children were given the DPT vaccine, adults were given the DT vaccine booster every decade or so (assuming it is kept up), without the whooping cough (pertussis) vaccine.
With a recent resurgence of whooping cough, it is now recommended that adults receive the Pertussis vaccine. However, there are new formulations for adults, Tdap, which includes a lower dose of the diphtheria vaccine, as well as an acellular formulation of the whooping cough vaccine.
Anyway, it may be a few decades before a large percent of the population catch up with the new vaccine regimen (about time for the next boosters).
More info on the DPT (inactivated whole cell pertussis formulation), DaPT (acellular pertussis formulation), and Tdap (acellular pertussis formulation for adults) is available on Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DPT_vaccine)
There are notes that the DPT vaccine may give greater immunity than DaPT. Perhaps another choice would be to first give infants DaPT, then follow with DPT in older children, then return to the acellular formulation for the adults.
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I'd really like to know what ingredients in a vaccine are carcinogenic. Vaccines don't have a lot of complicated ingredients. There's the dead microorganism, or an attenuated non-disease causing strain of it, or pieces of the organism. Sometimes there's whats called an adjuvant that makes the antigen more recognizable to the immune system or stabilizes it. And there's the suspending medium, like sterile saline. There may be small amounts of the medium used to culture the organism, like egg protein.
Anytime you inject someone with a foreign substance there is the chance of an allergic reaction, and allergic reactions are often worse with addition exposures.
For my money, I am less scared of allergic reactions or even auto immune cross reactivity reactions, than I am afraid of dieing of infection. And I also would be more worried about the potential of viruses to screw up the DNA inside cells, since this actually has been shown to occur with some viruses.
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There also may be preservatives added to the vaccines such as Thiomersal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal), which is apparently no longer being used in childhood vaccinations due to the controversy of using Mercury in vaccines.
However, the reason for the use of a preservative is to prevent bacterial and fungal growth which can be deadly.
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This is a little off topic, but it always kind of bugs me when news reports or articles say something "increases your risk by 25
%" or triples your risk, etc. without saying what that risk is to begin with. Having a Y chromosome increases your risk of committing a violent crime by 828%. But few people with Y chromosomes commit violent crimes.
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Excellent point.
When a procedure increases the risk of a very rare complication, but decreases the risk for other very real complications, one has to weigh the differences. Some of this is captured by the overall morbidity/mortality.
Consider OPV. It actually causes Polio in about 1 : 2,400,000 doses. A very small percentage, but a brutal complication for those few individuals. If there is a greater than 1 : 2,400,000 chance to get wild-type polio, then it is reasonable to give the vaccine. If there is a lower chance, then an alternative such as IPV is appropriate. And, as long as the disease exists somewhere, not vaccinating opens up the risk of large outbreaks, and possibly setting the vaccine program back decades.
The other thing to keep in mind. Say one reads that smoking causes a 20 fold increase in the risk of lung cancer. That doesn't mean that all individuals with lung cancer are smokers. 1:20 (or so, depending on the prevalence of smoking), of those with lung cancer may in fact be non-smokers. It may not be second hand smoke, or other things, just perhaps bad luck. It also means that of those 20 smokers with lung cancer, one of them might have gotten lung cancer independent of the smoking.