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Is dark-matter any relation of anti-matter?

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Re: Is dark-matter any relation of anti-matter?
« Reply #20 on: 08/10/2013 16:27:06 »
Quote from: Pmb on 08/10/2013 15:24:18
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There are other images showing the wave properties.
And would you care to share the location of those images with the rest of the class? :)

http://panda3.phys.unm.edu/nmcpp/gold/phys330_s06/
http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/phys314/lectures/stm/stm.html
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Re: Is dark-matter any relation of anti-matter?
« Reply #21 on: 08/10/2013 16:33:59 »
Quote from: jeffreyH on 08/10/2013 16:27:06
Quote from: Pmb on 08/10/2013 15:24:18
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There are other images showing the wave properties.
And would you care to share the location of those images with the rest of the class? :)

http://panda3.phys.unm.edu/nmcpp/gold/phys330_s06/
http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/phys314/lectures/stm/stm.html
Now carefully read and examine what the explanation by the images say of what the image is. Is this consistent with what you believe the pictures really represent?
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Re: Is dark-matter any relation of anti-matter?
« Reply #22 on: 08/10/2013 16:38:34 »
Quote from: Pmb on 08/10/2013 16:33:59
Quote from: jeffreyH on 08/10/2013 16:27:06
Quote from: Pmb on 08/10/2013 15:24:18
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There are other images showing the wave properties.
And would you care to share the location of those images with the rest of the class? :)

http://panda3.phys.unm.edu/nmcpp/gold/phys330_s06/
http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/phys314/lectures/stm/stm.html
Now carefully read and examine what the explanation by the images say of what the image is. Is this consistent with what you believe the pictures really represent?

I have no idea but it looks interesting.
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Re: Is dark-matter any relation of anti-matter?
« Reply #23 on: 10/10/2013 09:42:21 »
The problem is that you need to think new physics; this requires first priority be given to the electromagnetic balancing forces inside the molecules electron enclosure and then the 3D geometry of the charged magnetized particles. To only consider energy balance or wave function interaction is insufficient
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Re: Is dark-matter any relation of anti-matter?
« Reply #24 on: 13/10/2013 08:27:43 »
Quote from: acsinuk on 10/10/2013 09:42:21
The problem is that you need to think new physics; this requires first priority be given to the electromagnetic balancing forces inside the molecules electron enclosure and then the 3D geometry of the charged magnetized particles. To only consider energy balance or wave function interaction is insufficient
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Re: Is dark-matter any relation of anti-matter?
« Reply #25 on: 14/10/2013 16:00:17 »
I am speaking generally.  WMAP proved that CDM model does not balance the universe.  We need an additional force of 5G to pull the solar system together.  But because we have been taught that gravity is the only force out there, it has to be assumed that there is extra invisible dark matter in space [which our instruments indicate isn't there] 
Instead, why not consider whether that force could be an electro-magnetic?
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Re: Is dark-matter any relation of anti-matter?
« Reply #26 on: 14/10/2013 17:11:16 »
Can you link to it Acsinuk?
It sounds interesting, but it you have a EM force co-acting it should be measurable, shouldn't it?
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Re: Is dark-matter any relation of anti-matter?
« Reply #27 on: 18/10/2013 17:15:23 »
You would think so but I am not so sure!  We know that the solar wind is mostly ionized proton molecules.  Now if they are ionized that means they are being pulled outwards electrically towards our planet and pushed away from the sun by presumably a DC voltage.  But we cant measure that voltage without a really sensitive instrument because the voltage field around the metal spacecraft shorts itself out.   Another thing, we can measure the electrons a little but which way are they flowing?  If the positive ions are moving one way the electrons are sure to be moving in the opposite direction towards the sun.
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Re: Is dark-matter any relation of anti-matter?
« Reply #28 on: 01/11/2013 17:01:32 »
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I think I answered the question incorrectly by talking about electrostatics.  From the magnetic point of view the main flux back to the sun will be at the centre of the north and south poles. Our magnetic field is just the leakage flux really.
How to measure the main field may be possible above the poles but not by satellites orbiting elsewhere or at the lagrange points
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Re: Is dark-matter any relation of anti-matter?
« Reply #29 on: 03/11/2013 16:06:41 »
IMHO,...........Dark matter may only be similar to anti-matter in that, they both are gravitationally active. While the verdict is still out, I suspect that Dark matter is gravitationally observed because it exists extra dimensionally. That idea means that; While we can observe the gravitational interactions, we can't see any of the electromagnetic radiation. We may be seeing evidence here for the existence of a parallel universe or, more likely, evidence for string theory.
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Re: Is dark-matter any relation of anti-matter?
« Reply #30 on: 05/11/2013 17:15:35 »
Yes, dark matter appears to be gravitational because it has an extra force that is needed to balance the CDM model.  But it is the force that balances the CDM model not the presence of dark matter.  I accept that both matter and anti-matter are attracted together by gravity.
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Re: Is dark-matter any relation of anti-matter?
« Reply #31 on: 15/11/2013 03:14:23 »
Quote from: syhprum on 01/10/2013 20:56:45
I there was an abundance of antimatter in the universe there would be a great deal of gamma radiation at 511 kev due to its annihilation with matter of course this is not seen.
Antimatter reacts with electromagnetic radiation in the same way as normal matter hence it would not be dark !.
If there was an abundance of antimatter we would be dead.
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