[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

But let's face it, such a God concept would have to invoke the Supernatural, and that marks a departure from science, so let's leave that discussion for the appropriate forum. In this thread it is more appropriate to focus on multiple big bangs, Big Bang arenas, and the likelihood of arena overlaps. That is why I have emphasized the concept of wave energy and wave energy mechanics.


Hypothesizing that any object with mass absorbs and emits gravitational wave energy, and so mass is the source of gravitational waves that fill all space, we are looking at a fundamentally simple architecture of mass and energy in space.


For discussion, the highest wave energy, to my thinking, occurs in the core of a Big Crunch, and the lowest wave energy density would be in the deepest space between the most distant big crunches.






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[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Wave emission and the relative motion of the emitting mass go hand in hand. Objects move in the direction of the highest net gravitational wave energy density source in the surrounding space.

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In reference to my model of the universe, "surrounding space" is a reference to infinite space, and the concept of surrounding space itself can denote the first infinity. I find it amazing and comforting to be able to contemplate infinite space, and I enjoy the time I spend doing it.


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[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

The concept of surrounding space goes nicely with thoughts of endless and eternal time ... the Three Infinities.

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[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

There is known science, and then there is speculation. In regard to speculation, there are those speculations that make up the current consensus model of cosmology, and then there is my model, The Infinite Spongy Universe (ISU) model. The ISU model includes known science, generally accepted cosmology, and my speculations about the Three Infinities, space, time, and energy.

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[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

And out there in the ISU, goddard/2020/nasa-s-tess-spitzer-missions-discover-a-world-orbiting-a-unique-young-star. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2020/nasa-s-tess-spitzer-missions-discover-a-world-orbiting-a-unique-young-star


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[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Even if the vastness of the universe is mostly expanding Big Bang arenas, there is no denying that gravity on a grand scale will find a way to collect matter and energy into crunches that will then eventually bang too.

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That kind of crunch/bang action keeps the universe filled with matter and energy that forms into hospitable environments for the generation and evolution of life, and our observable universe is what I would think of as a typical life hosting stage in that perpetual cycle.

And there must be a potentially infinite number of those stages across infinite space and time.

Meaning life potentially has always existed, and is disbursed everywhere out there.


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[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Given that life has always existed, and is disbursed everywhere out there, I think it is safe to say intelligent life has always existed, and is always out there thinking. And not just thinking, but taking action too, making things happen, for better or worse .


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[Colin2B]

Given that life has always existed,.......

How do you come to that conclusion?

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Given that life has always existed,.......

How do you come to that conclusion?

Just my brand of layman logic, as stated in reply #546. The fact that life exists within our observable expanding Big Bang arena, and the logic stated in replay #545 and #546 that hypothesizes that life is "generative and evolves", and there are multiple Big Bang arenas so why wouldn't it be natural for life to be generated and evolved in other arenas across infinite space and time?


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Let's say I'm right. There would be some highly advanced technologies out there as well as highly evolved life forms. The ISU logic I refer to that explains why we haven't communicated and or visited/been visited (as far as I know) is the vastness of infinite space and the low probability that life would be generated and evolved within a close enough distance to communicate with us.


I would speculate that there is/has been communication between independently generated/evolved life forms from time to time across distances of space and time, but that due to the rarities involved in regard to the infrequency of such generation events, their limited durations, and their probable huge separations in space and time, those types of contacts are rare.


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[aspagnito]

Good question "if there was one Big Bang" - there was none.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Good question "if there was one Big Bang" - there was none.

Interesting comment. Have you ever searched the phrase, "evidence of the Big Bang"?



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[puppypower]

One way to answer the question of multiples big bangs and universes, is to look at the second law, which is connected to entropy. If the second law is true and entropy has to increase, while an increase in entropy absorbs energy, then energy is constantly being made unusable to the universe.

The energy is conserved, but in a dead pool of energy, that cannot be directly reused by the current universe, since entropy has to increase. To recycle all this energy, entropy would have to decrease for 15 billion of years. But as long as the second law remains valid, we have an increasing pool of dead energy. The original BB is getting thinner with time as the dead pool gets deeper with time. I am suspicious of any theory that ignores the ever increasing dead pool of energy implied by the second law. A universe than loses useable energy into a dead pool of energy cannot cycle or go forever.

The second law implies that our material BB universe has beeb leaking energy into an ever increasing dead pool of energy, due to the second law, since the day it went bang! Since this energy is conserved, it has energy value, but it is in a non fully reusable form relative to our universe. This affect is affect is connected to aging and time. This conserved dead energy allows the possibility of other uses. There may be a dead pool universe(s). 

For example, life formed on earth from scratch, a billion or so years ago, by some unknown means. This process expressed increasing entropy; complexity, that may never repeat itself on earth in the same way. That entropy expression absorbed energy, so energy was lost into the dead pool; ghosts of the past. Since life built on this beginning, that past is both here and not here. It is part of the foundation of current life, but not in the same way as it was originally. The universe does not have the same juice now, as it once did.

The dead pool energy, has plenty of energy. but it may be in the form of information, from the past, that is detached from the matter and energy of now. Our ancestors increased entropy and added to the dead pool. We cannot go to their past to retrieve their dead pool energy, any more that we can conjure up an old ancestor. But the energy lives on, via a form of memory since this energy is still conserved as an entropic state variable.

If we take the second law to the limit, all the live energy of the universe will be part of the dead pool. This would be a state of maximum entropy to express the dead pool energy. This energy as entropy would be composed of memories from all time; entropic states. What would need to happen to form a new material universe; new BB, would be to lower the entropy, to release dead pool energy for another material universe. 

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

One way to answer the question of multiples big bangs and universes, is to look at the second law, which is connected to entropy. If the second law is true and entropy has to increase, while an increase in entropy absorbs energy, then energy is constantly being made unusable to the universe.

The energy is conserved, but in a dead pool of energy, that cannot be directly reused by the current universe, since entropy has to increase. ...

Good points from the mainstream perspective ...

I don't apologize for my contrarianism though. My universe is infinite and eternal, and in infinite space, a Big Bang will disburse matter and energy locally in the particular space where the bang happens, but that is just one arena where a current crunch/bang might be playing out. If there are a potentially infinite number of past, present and future big bang arenas whose matter and energy converge, overlap, crunch and bang eternally across infinite space, you get a flavor of the Infinite Spongy Universe Model.
 
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[Slickscientist]

This might not answer your question completely but there were multiple explosions/ish (after the big bang.)
When the hydrogen and helium condensed together under the influence of Gravity, the mixture under intense pressure, ignites to form a star. These stars in the earliest period of the universe were blue-white stars so you did not have to wait long before they exploded as supernovas and spread their denser material across the universe; these explosions helped the big explosion to create the universe as we know today.
PS: If you are thinking that the explosions happened at the same time and are the big bang/s, I think you might be wrong. The theory does say that the big bag originated from one point so there would have been no space for multiple explosions. you might not understand but this is my best explanation.
Thanks.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

...
When the hydrogen and helium condensed together under the influence of Gravity, the mixture under intense pressure, ignites to form a star. These stars in the earliest period of the universe ...

In a universe that has always existed, as it has according to my ISU model, any reference to "stars in the earliest period of the universe" should use the words "in an earlier period of the universe", not "the earliest period". I'm proposing that in an eternal and infinite universe, time simply passes moment by moment in an orderly fashion.


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[Slickscientist]

Hi,
I only skimmed through the first few pages of the forum and I answered the question as if you were talking about the normal universe; thanks for clarifying.

If you don't mind me asking, have you conducted any research to support the infinite universe model. Thanks.

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Hi,
I only skimmed through the first few pages of the forum and I answered the question as if you were talking about the normal universe; thanks for clarifying.

If you don't mind me asking, have you conducted any research to support the infinite [Spongy] universe model. Thanks.

The ISU model isn't a "scientific model" as, such, but as for research associated with it, it continues to evolve as I continue to learn and contemplate the idea.



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[Slickscientist]

Ok thanks!

[Bogie_smiles (OP)]

Ok thanks!

Are you a "Thinker"? For example, what are your views on the topic of "the beginning" in 100 words or less?



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[Slickscientist]

Hi,
I am in secondary school so I don’t understand the quantum mechanics and other complicated things. I am more of a biology and chemistry man. I will try to describe what I think; here it goes!

The ISU is a theory/model which describes how he universe was already in existence. I think that the expansion and the rarefaction of the macro waves create the matter in this model. Unfortunately for you, I do not personally believe some of your theory but I have to say, the way you put it across is very convincing and I am sure that with a little bit of tweaking, I might be able to accept it.

I get what you are saying about the waves bit I think the universe had a beginning. The big bang sets of one set of waves in all directions and when some of them join and compress, like the hydrogen and the helium, they create other bangs which do the same thong as the big bang. In order for this to work, the waves need to be made of something(dark matter etc.). What are the waves made up of in your theory?

I am sorry of that was more than 100 words but I had to give you constructive criticism. Cary on and make a scientific paper out of this soon(look at my idea for a theory first ).
From,
Slickscientist.