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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #260 on: 27/03/2021 13:32:18 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 27/03/2021 12:21:33
Though human brains may have adequate resources to simulate some parts of the universe, their existences depend on other organs forming the human individuals. Hence their expressions represent the individuals as a whole, not merely the brain as an organ.
In ancient kingdoms and empires, the virtualizations happened in their documentation and administration systems, which can take forms of clay tablets or writings on paper. In modern organizations, they take place in computers. They are more flexible in the mechanisms, such as mechanical, vacuum tubes, electronic semiconductors, or optical computers.
They virtualize taxes, budgetings, assets, plans, supply chains, etc.

In biological systems, the virtualizations are usually formed by neural networks.
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« Reply #261 on: 27/03/2021 13:54:57 »
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I also mentioned about minimum requirements for a system to be called conscious. It must have parts serving the function of virtualization of objective reality , including its own representation in its virtual world, which we often call self awareness. To do that, it needs some sensing mechanisms, some memory to store the results and convert them into its internal model. It must also have actuation function, which gives it access to modify or manipulate its real world environment.
Most unicellular organisms are assumed to be non-conscious. But if we are willing to be more flexible in our terms, we can see that they already pass some minimum requirements for consciousness.
Some bacteria clearly can sense their surrounding and make actions accordingly. But most of us would think that they don't have memory so they can't virtualize their surrounding universe. But CRISPR mechanism has told us that they do have long term memory, in the form of DNA, which is the only long term memory storage they have. What they remember is, among other things, viral codes that have infected them, which is an important factor of their environment affecting their survival.
It reminds me of an advice, if something is important enough, you must try to achieve it, no matter how hard, risky, or costly it is.
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« Reply #262 on: 28/03/2021 06:39:33 »
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Though human brains may have adequate resources to simulate some parts of the universe, their existences depend on other organs forming the human individuals. Hence their expressions represent the individuals as a whole, not merely the brain as an organ.
The universal superorganism consciousness will execute most of its information processings in supercomputers, similar to currently existing e-government and IT infrastructures of large corporations.  They will likely involved more in strategic thinking and long term decision makings, while shorter term decisions will be left to computing tools in lower hierarchies and edge computers.
In the past, thinking process at all hierarchical levels in superorganisms from village to imperium were done by human brains through their rulers or representatives at each level.

At some point in the future, human individuals, at least in current form, would be seen more as burdens rather than tools. That's why we would need to improve ourselves. There are many ways to do that, such as gene editing, epigenetics, nanotechnology, direct brain interface, exoskeleton, etc.
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« Reply #263 on: 28/03/2021 10:40:35 »
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Though human brains may have adequate resources to simulate some parts of the universe, their existences depend on other organs forming the human individuals. Hence their expressions represent the individuals as a whole, not merely the brain as an organ.
The universal superorganism consciousness will execute most of its information processings in supercomputers, similar to currently existing e-government and IT infrastructures of large corporations.  They will likely involved more in strategic thinking and long term decision makings, while shorter term decisions will be left to computing tools in lower hierarchies and edge computers.
In the past, thinking process at all hierarchical levels in superorganisms from village to imperium were done by human brains through their rulers or representatives at each level.

At some point in the future, human individuals, at least in current form, would be seen more as burdens rather than tools. That's why we would need to improve ourselves. There are many ways to do that, such as gene editing, epigenetics, nanotechnology, direct brain interface, exoskeleton, etc.
Some dystopian stories cast fear by imagining that the supercomputer equipped with AGI would detach itself from humanity and becomes an independent conscious entity. It's like other cells in a human body become fearfull that the brain would detach itself from the body and becomes an independent conscious entity once it gets smarter.
At a glance, it may sound absurd. But it's not completely impossible either. Once the brain gets access to modify the body at will, it is likely that it will be done.
Humans are known to cut their hair and nails for a long time. Some of them get circumcised. Some get amputated due to accident or cancer. Some have replaced their hearts. Some get lasik to fix their vision. A few had half of their brains removed.
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« Reply #264 on: 28/03/2021 11:38:44 »
As long as something is not perfect, there's always a chance to improve it. It means that something else must be added into it, or at least some of its parts are removed, changed, or replaced. Alternatively, it could be removed altogether and replaced by something new.
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« Reply #265 on: 29/03/2021 04:06:06 »
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« Reply #266 on: 29/03/2021 07:14:50 »
This is why we can't have nice things
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« Reply #267 on: 29/03/2021 10:24:31 »
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« Reply #268 on: 29/03/2021 16:29:11 »
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Some dystopian stories cast fear by imagining that the supercomputer equipped with AGI would detach itself from humanity and becomes an independent conscious entity. It's like other cells in a human body become fearfull that the brain would detach itself from the body and becomes an independent conscious entity once it gets smarter.
At a glance, it may sound absurd. But it's not completely impossible either. Once the brain gets access to modify the body at will, it is likely that it will be done.
Humans are known to cut their hair and nails for a long time. Some of them get circumcised. Some get amputated due to accident or cancer. Some have replaced their hearts. Some get lasik to fix their vision. A few had half of their brains removed.
Some changes can bring us anxiety, especially when there is a significant probability of unwanted consequences. The virtual universe can be built to minimise the surprises.
The development of AI towards AGI is causing people to lose jobs. In the past, there were telephone switch operators. Now we get less cashiers and bank tellers. Production processes are getting more automated. In the near future, we will see less truck drivers and taxi drivers. In more distant future, we will see intelligent machines doing the current jobs of medical professionals, legal and financial advisers, hedge fund managers, law makers, athletes, artists, farmers, construction workers, engineers, and many others. They will even outperform automation engineers who build them and bring them into existence in the first place.
It's expected that there will be reluctance to implement those changes and trust the jobs to the machines, at least initially when there are still many flaws to be found. But that's normal, since trust is to be earned, not just given away.
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« Reply #269 on: 31/03/2021 12:34:56 »
"Rethinking Humanity." An extraordinary interview with American futurist Tony Seba of RethinkX

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We are on the cusp of a major disruption in how we feed ourselves. This video is a quick summary of a report from RethinkX on where agriculture is headed over the next decade, and it's mind blowing!
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« Reply #271 on: 01/04/2021 05:56:54 »
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Though human brains may have adequate resources to simulate some parts of the universe, their existences depend on other organs forming the human individuals. Hence their expressions represent the individuals as a whole, not merely the brain as an organ.
In ancient kingdoms and empires, the virtualizations happened in their documentation and administration systems, which can take forms of clay tablets or writings on paper. In modern organizations, they take place in computers. They are more flexible in the mechanisms, such as mechanical, vacuum tubes, electronic semiconductors, or optical computers.
They virtualize taxes, budgetings, assets, plans, supply chains, etc.

In biological systems, the virtualizations are usually formed by neural networks.

Emergence – How Stupid Things Become Smart Together
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How can many stupid things combine to form smart things? How can proteins become living cells? How become lots of ants a colony? What is emergence?
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« Reply #272 on: 01/04/2021 06:27:43 »
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« Reply #273 on: 04/04/2021 12:14:05 »
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In early human civilizations as superorganisms, external data storages came into existence as an alternative for human brains which are typically less reliable as long term memory. Painting on cave walls and clay tablets are some examples. More practical, and more capacity data storage evolved in the form of writings on paper, printing press, microfilms. Invention of computer requires better version of data storage more suited to digital information. They started with punched cards, then magnetic tapes/discs, optical discs, and solid state drives.
With the advancement of telecommunication through Internet, cloud based data servers become more feasible.
Currently, semiconductor-based memories seem to outperform biological neurons in many categories. The reason why they were not employed by natural biology is likely because they don't readily self duplicate, and the process to produce them is too long and complex in biological standard.
As a superorganism, human civilization has found a better functionality of data storage in semiconductor based memories. It doesn't matter if they don't self duplicate since they can be produced through mass production in chip factories. This is another example of specialization process at work.
When viewed from the perspective of unicellular organisms, a multicellular organism can be seen as a super organism. A human cell sees a human body similarly to a human individual sees a corporation or a government.
Primitive forms of multicellular organisms only have limited communication and speciation among their cells. In more advanced organisms, activities can be better organized among cells in different places by inventing some telecommunication methods, namely hormones and neurons.
Similarly, primitive human societies also have limited communication and speciation of skills among their members. Inventions of languages, writings, telephone and internet improve our ability to organize our actions to achieve common goals.
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« Reply #274 on: 07/04/2021 14:50:41 »
https://hackaday.com/2021/04/06/death-of-the-turing-test-in-an-age-of-successful-ais/
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IBM has come up with an automatic debating system called Project Debater that researches a topic, presents an argument, listens to a human rebuttal and formulates its own rebuttal. But does it pass the Turing test? Or does the Turing test matter anymore?

The Turing test was first introduced in 1950, often cited as year-one for AI research. It asks, “Can machines think?”. Today we’re more interested in machines that can intelligently make restaurant recommendations, drive our car along the tedious highway to and from work, or identify the surprising looking flower we just stumbled upon. These all fit the definition of AI as a machine that can perform a task normally requiring the intelligence of a human. Though as you’ll see below, Turing’s test wasn’t even for intelligence or even for thinking, but rather to determine a test subject’s sex.
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Does it matter if any of today’s AIs can pass the Turing test? That’s most often not the goal. Most AIs end up as marketed products, even the ones that don’t start out that way. After all, eventually someone has to pay for the research. As long as they do the job then it doesn’t matter.

IBM’s goal for Project Debater is to produce persuasive arguments and make well informed decisions free of personal bias, a useful tool to sell to businesses and governments. Tesla’s goal for its AI is to drive vehicles. Chatbots abound for handling specific phone and online requests. All of them do something normally requiring the intelligence of a human with varying degrees of success. The test that matters then is whether or not they do their tasks well enough for people to pay for them.

Maybe asking if a machine can think, or even if it can pass for a human, isn’t really relevant. The ways we’re using them require only that they can complete their tasks. Sometimes this can require “human-like” behavior, but most often not. If we’re not using AI to trick people anyway, is the Turing test still relevant?
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« Reply #275 on: 09/04/2021 13:23:13 »
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So far, I've seen that progress of continuous improvement of organized information system can be classified into two types, generalization and specialization. Perhaps it's comparable to bulking and cutting process in body building.
Generalization works by expanding functionality of existing components of the system. This concept emphasizes on effectiveness over efficiency.
Specialization works by removing unnecessary capability of components which are not related to their main function in a system. This concept emphasizes on increasing efficiency while maintaining effectiveness.
https://scitechdaily.com/big-breakthrough-for-massless-energy-storage-structural-battery-that-performs-10x-better-than-all-previous-versions/
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Researchers from Chalmers University of Technology have produced a structural battery that performs ten times better than all previous versions. It contains carbon fiber that serves simultaneously as an electrode, conductor, and load-bearing material. Their latest research breakthrough paves the way for essentially ’massless’ energy storage in vehicles and other technology.
This is an example of generalization step. A component aquires new function. In the future, I expect to have less dumb structures. Walls will also function as energy storages.  Roofs will also function as power generator using solar cells.
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On the other hand,  we also have specialization step. For example, each neuron in human brain contains complete set of genes whose function are unrelated to information processing. Artificial neurons can be designed based on natural neurons with unnecessary parts removed.
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Neuralink makes brain implants that it hopes can eventually be used to give people with quadriplegia the ability to control computers and other devices using only their minds. In the future, the company says, healthy people might do the same. Someday, this could conceivably eliminate the need for keyboards, speech-to-text, and thumb typing on phones.

The company just took a big step toward that future. It implanted two of its devices into the brain of a nine-year-old macaque named Pager and then taught him to move a computer cursor--and to play Pong--using a joystick. (Pager likes to play because when he gets things right, he's rewarded with banana smoothie delivered through a metal tube.)

As Pager played, the Neuralink devices recorded the signals in his brain that told his hand to move the joystick up, down, left, or right. The company's software learned to interpret those brain signals as movements, and then sent those movements directly to the computer, bypassing the joystick. Soon, Pager was able to move the cursor, and then play Pong, using just his brain. And he played really well. Despite the researchers speeding up the game to test his abilities, Pager only loses one point during the video, which is appropriately titled "Monkey MindPong."
https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/elon-musk-neuralink-monkey-mindpong-pager.html
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« Reply #278 on: 13/04/2021 13:41:06 »
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On the other hand,  we also have specialization step. For example, each neuron in human brain contains complete set of genes whose function are unrelated to information processing. Artificial neurons can be designed based on natural neurons with unnecessary parts removed.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-brains-typically-overlook-this-brilliant-problem-solving-strategy/
People often limit their creativity by continually adding new features to a design rather than removing existing ones.

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For generations, the standard way to learn how to ride a bicycle was with training wheels or a tricycle. But in recent years, many parents have opted to train their kids with balance bikes, pedalless two-wheelers that enable children to develop the coordination needed for bicycling—a skill that is not as easily acquired with an extra set of wheels.

Given the benefits of balance bikes, why did it take so long for them to replace training wheels? There are plenty of other examples in which overlooked solutions that involve subtraction turn out to be better alternatives. In some European cities, for example, urban planners have gotten rid of traffic lights and road signs to make streets safer—an idea that runs counter to conventional traffic design.
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To determine why people tended to choose additive solutions, the team dug deeper by conducting a series of eight experiments with more than 1,500 individuals recruited either from a university campus or through Amazon Mechanical Turk, a crowdsourcing Web site. In one experiment, people were asked to stabilize the roof of a Lego structure held up by a single block that rested atop a cube-shaped base. The reward for completing the task was $1, and participants could add new blocks for 10 cents apiece or get rid of blocks for free. The researchers wrote that one group was provided a cue about potential subtractive solutions by being told, “Each piece that you add costs ten cents but removing pieces is free,” while another group was just told, “Each piece that you add costs ten cents.” Almost two thirds of people in the cued group ended up choosing to eliminate the single block rather than adding new ones, compared with 41 percent of those who had not received the prompt.
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The 2 Most Important Skills For the Rest Of Your Life | Yuval Noah Harari on Impact Theory


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SHOWNOTES
How we can hack humans and manipulate their desires [3:26​]

How algorithms will learn to understand you better than you understand yourself (and why you could be replaced by one) [5:03​]

Why corporations will even be able to predict your sexual orientation… [8:50​]

The reality of outsourcing the self-discovery process… [12:27​]

How algorithms will change the way we make art… [15:49​]

Can AI save us from cancer?  (See how it’s possible, but decide for yourself if it's dangerous)... [18:10​]

The battle between privacy and health... [19:29​]

How to take control of the story you tell yourself and why you need to stop thinking of your life as a movie… [21:09​]

Why we’re heading into the direction of immortality and the future is just a series of massive disruptions [28:44​]

Why you need to continuously reinvent yourself if you want to survive to 2035.  [30:01​]

The two most important tools you will need to succeed in the world of AI (and they’re not what you think). [32:05​]

Why Yuval believes that science fiction is the most important artistic genre… [34:25​]

See what Yuval has to say about the world’s 3 biggest challenges… [37:29​]


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“We Are Now Hackable Animals”

“When infotech merges with biotech what you get is the ability to create algorithms that understand me better than I understand myself.” [5:20​]

“Maybe the most important thing in life is to get to know yourself better.  But for all of history this was a process of self-exploration which you did from things like meditation, sports, or art, and complementation. But what does it mean when the process of self-exploration is being outsourced to a big data algorithm?  The philosophical implications are mind-boggling.” [12:34​]

“The story of your life is made of bits and pieces and it only makes sense" [23:50​]
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