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AbstractThis essay examines the history of the concept of mental health. Its origin can be traced to Plato, who argued that immorality is to the soul what disease is to the body. The purpose of this argument was to answer those who thought that morality is a set of social conventions, and in that sense, is contrary to nature. Plato responded by turning to those who made a systematic study of nature--the medical writers of his day--and claiming that if proper balance is needed to maintain a healthy body, the same is true of the soul. Thus the natural state of the soul is one in which the various parts agree on which should rule. This does not mean that Plato sought to excuse immoral behavior by treating it as a medical condition, only that he regarded immoral behavior as contrary to nature and thus treatable. Although later attempts to define mental health are not as rigid as Plato's, it is remarkable how many of his insights are still applicable, in particular the claim that morality and mental health, though not identical, are nonetheless linked. A case in point is the experience of wanting something but not liking the fact that you want it. Plato regarded internal conflict of this sort as a paradigm case of psychic dysfunction. I argue that we can regard it as either a moral failing or a mental one.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18962894/
Socrates and Plato: the good consequences of being moral are not what make actions good; rather, actions have good consequences because they are good in themselves (and ought to be done for that reason alone). Immorality is due to ignorance of the good.http://people.tamu.edu/~sdaniel/Notes/ethics1a.html
I'd like to leave the world a better place for my descendants,
Residual problems: none in the medium term, if segregation is complete and permanent.
Quote from: alancalverd on 25/10/2021 23:45:05I'd like to leave the world a better place for my descendants,Have you found a reason for this?Do you think that everyone feels the same?
It's something to do with animal evolution. All those species that can, choose or modify their environment so that their offspring can flourish. Being a fairly recent and very fragile species with exceptionally long maturation and neoteny, I think the instinct is quite deeply rooted in most humans.
Why bother? The areas of the globe where criminals operate are already overpopulated (parasites need hosts!) so recycling them as reformed humans is not required.The simplest way to recycle organic rubbish is to segregate it into a compost heap and let nature reduce it to sterile dust. I am always in favor of a "do nothing" approach if it achieves the desired result, and in this case it is certainly the quickest procedure and guaranteed effective.
Prehistoric humans were limited in their capacity to coordinate efforts involving large numbers of individuals,
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 27/10/2021 13:15:09Prehistoric humans were limited in their capacity to coordinate efforts involving large numbers of individuals,Stonehenge suggests otherwise.
Building effective calendars permitted trade over the entire west coast of Europe, across north Africa and into India. It was destroyed by the literate Romans.
Smart is useful, but the ability to swim 50 miles in the North Atlantic is essential. There is no "maintenance" - see above - they can die from exposure or sort out some shelter - I don't care.
Neuroscience has plenty of challenges and opportunities for making life better without wasting resources on our enemies.
Quote from: alancalverd on 27/10/2021 20:44:08Smart is useful, but the ability to swim 50 miles in the North Atlantic is essential. There is no "maintenance" - see above - they can die from exposure or sort out some shelter - I don't care. How do you send them there in the first place?
They could hitch a ride to the vehicles sending newer prisoners.,
They could build their own boat.
QuoteNeuroscience has plenty of challenges and opportunities for making life better without wasting resources on our enemies.How about turning enemies into allies?
Quote from: alancalverd on 27/10/2021 20:48:50Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 27/10/2021 13:15:09Prehistoric humans were limited in their capacity to coordinate efforts involving large numbers of individuals,Stonehenge suggests otherwise. How many people were involved in building it? I guess less than a million.
QuoteBuilding effective calendars permitted trade over the entire west coast of Europe, across north Africa and into India. It was destroyed by the literate Romans.Those trades require written communications. No one can memorize all of the transactions reliably.
We have no shortage of allies, and indeed an excess of people in most of the habitable regions.
There are very few modern enterprises that coordinate more than a million people. Indeed following the demise of the Soviet army, it is likely that the UK National Health Service is the only organisation with more than a million employees, and they are hardly "coordinated", merely facilitated to do their thing in small groups.
No need to do so until VAT was invented. You probably keep very good business accounts but would be regarded as a bit obsessive if you keep all your household supermarket bills and bus tickets.
A rural doctor friend never billed his agricultural patients, and never bought food.
What if the enemies are a whole nation? Or a group of nations?
A nation can coordinate millions or even hundreds of millions of people. The coordination doesn't have to be permanent employments. Managing lives in a pandemic or solving problems of climate change can be shown as examples.
Politicians can motivate and facilitate but it's very difficult to coerce everyone.