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Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« on: 13/06/2020 15:51:55 »
Here's why:

Because photons are made of Riemann Spheres and being the same as space, photons experience a resistive force that cancels the propelling force just at the speed of light.
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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #1 on: 20/06/2020 15:41:50 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 13/06/2020 15:51:55
Here's why:

Because photons are made of Riemann Spheres and being the same as space, photons experience a resistive force that cancels the propelling force just at the speed of light.
You've done nothing to provide proof of your claims.

e.g a photon isn't a sphere. In  fact nothing in nature is a geometrical object. They merely have the shape of a geometrical object. Plus the correct claim, if correct at all, is that a photon has the shape of a sphere. NOT a Riemann sphere.

The only thing that is given the name "photon sphere" is the sphere of photons which are in a circular orbit about a black hole at a certain radius.
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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #2 on: 20/06/2020 16:22:04 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 13/06/2020 15:51:55
Here's why:

Because photons are made of Riemann Spheres and being the same as space, photons experience a resistive force that cancels the propelling force just at the speed of light.

Quote from: talanum1 on 17/06/2020 12:10:50
  Gravity can affect matter because particles are Riemann Spheres, therefore are spacetime. So gravity causes spacetime to warp and this causes "spacetime" to move. Gravity is just spacetime acting on spacetime.

  Believing matter is more than spacetime, one sits with the problem of how spacetime communicates forces to it.


Do you see the contradiction there?

Incidentally, if I asked you for the secret recipe for Coca Cola, would you try to tell me that it's  a Riemann sphere?
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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #3 on: 20/06/2020 16:35:33 »
Quote from: PmbPhy on 20/06/2020 15:41:50
You've done nothing to provide proof of your claims.

I have proof: I made a Riemann Sphere with my mind, then Earth tells me I made a photon. My mind knows how to make Riemann Spheres and I know Earth's voice.



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Do you see the contradiction there?

Incidentally, if I asked you for the secret recipe for Coca Cola, would you try to tell me that it's  a Riemann sphere?

No contradiction: all particles are Riemann spheres, just with different charges on circles in the Riemann spheres.

No I don't confuse one mystery with another.
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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #4 on: 20/06/2020 16:51:52 »
OK, so now the science bit.
Post some evidence.
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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #5 on: 20/06/2020 17:02:08 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 20/06/2020 16:35:33
I have proof: I made a Riemann Sphere with my mind, then Earth tells me I made a photon. My mind knows how to make Riemann Spheres and I know Earth's voice.

Since when can the Earth talk?
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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #6 on: 21/06/2020 11:32:22 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 13/06/2020 15:51:55
Here's why:

Because photons are made of Riemann Spheres and being the same as space, photons experience a resistive force that cancels the propelling force just at the speed of light.

There appears to be an upper limit to the physical processing rate of the universe. Seth Lloyd proposes that the universe is a quantum computer.

Other physicists such as Leonard Susskind and  Gerard 't Hooft propose that our universe has holographic properties.

In that respect, we could hypothesize photons as information encoded on surface regions of space-time.

If one could go faster than the speed of light then they could also travel back into the past.


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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #7 on: 21/06/2020 13:15:04 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 20/06/2020 17:02:08
Since when can the Earth talk?

Mother Earth. Earth can talk since Earth has conscious beings on it.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/06/2020 16:51:52
OK, so now the science bit.
Post some evidence.

Get evidence for yourself: maybe your mind knows how to copy space, so just think: "Copy all of space into a Riemann Sphere, there", and point to a position with your finger, then let your mind do it, then listen for a result.
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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #8 on: 21/06/2020 13:37:19 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 21/06/2020 13:15:04
then listen for a result.
It would be an auditory hallucination.
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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #9 on: 21/06/2020 14:31:02 »
Even auditory hallucinations have a logic of itself.
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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #10 on: 21/06/2020 15:02:50 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 21/06/2020 13:15:04
Mother Earth. Earth can talk since Earth has conscious beings on it.

Give evidence that Earth can talk.

Quote from: talanum1 on 21/06/2020 14:31:02
Even auditory hallucinations have a logic of itself.

If it's a hallucination, then it isn't the Earth talking. By definition, hallucinations aren't real.
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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #11 on: 21/06/2020 18:00:49 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 21/06/2020 15:02:50
Give evidence that Earth can talk.

Life having arose on Earth is evidence that Earth can talk.

Quote from: Kryptid on 21/06/2020 15:02:50
By definition, hallucinations aren't real.

It may not be physically real but it is spiritually real. After death it would be the only reality. I take hallucinations as real since it saves me from loneliness. Reality is anyway an imaginative response to what our senses give us.
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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #12 on: 21/06/2020 18:04:09 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 21/06/2020 18:00:49
Life having arose on Earth is evidence that Earth can talk.

This is called a "non-sequitur".

Quote from: talanum1 on 21/06/2020 18:00:49
It may not be physically real but it is spiritually real.

Evidence?

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I take hallucinations as real since it saves me from loneliness.

Argument from consequences fallacy.
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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #13 on: 22/06/2020 15:15:04 »
The speed of light is not the celling of the universe; fastest speed, but it is actually the floor of the universe. The speed of light is the actually connected to the ground state of the universe and therefore defines the zero reference of the universe. The analogy is sea level is the same for all the water references of the earth, at all elevations. If we stood on our head, while being in a cloud, sea level will look like the ceiling. This is what we have done.

We, as humans, assume reference is relative. Through hundreds of years of convention, we have used the earth reference as the universal relative ground state. If we assume this, the speed of light will indeed appear to be the ceiling. The problem is the speed of light is not part of relative reference, since it is the same for all relative references. The speed of light is part of an absolute reference system. It is not defined by relative reference.

One way to prove the speed of light is the floor of the universe is with some lab experiments. We first start with very low energy photons; radio waves. Matter and anti-matter pairs will never form from radio waves. We need to keep cranking up the energy value, before we can make matter and anti-matter appear. When we finally reach gamma and beyond, matter and antimatter pairs begin to appear from photons.

Matter and anti-matter only appear, in as a spontaneous equilibrium with potions, at the upper limits of energy. If we plot this on a relative energy scale, using E=MC2, matter appears only at the highest potentials Some photons, on the other hand, can exist without matter/antimatter equilibria, at very lower energy values. Energy, which moves at the speed of light touches the lowest potential energy floor, while matter, which cannot move at the speed of light appears near the energy ceiling.

Matter/mass cannot move at the speed of light, since to do so it would have to lower potential to below the equilibrium energy threshold of the photons where matter and anti-matter can appear.  Matter would have to come down from the ceiling and move toward floor of the matter/energy diagram, where it would need to phase change into pure energy without any matter before it can go the speed of light. At the ceiling we have matter and energy; ice and water, but to reach the floor at the speed of light, matter needs to melts into pure energy; only water. 

This does not happen very easily and spontaneously, because the easy path would be anti-matter and matter annihilation. But there is not enough antimatter left in the universe to do this for all the matter of the universe. The result is the path that is left, lacks the key anti-matter catalysts. The activation energy becomes infinite. Matter stays at the ceiling.

We would need infinite energy; high level energy, to generate even more matter and antimatter so we could destroy the original matter with a catalytic chain reaction. However, due to the continued imbalance of matter and anti-matter  some matter will still be left over, due to the original matter imbalance. As the energy approaches infinite, the left matter over becomes a negligible percent and can be called zero for all practical purposes.

The science community can see this but the science swamp does not want to undertake the redo of the entire system. There would be a short term disruptive of the status quo. It would be the new wild west of science, since when everyone stops standing on their head, the blood with rush to their feet and make everyone dizzy. However, once this wild west stage is done, it would simplify everything.

For example, the universal red shift, by making energy wavelength longer, is heading to the ground state floor; place of lowest energy quanta and no matter.

Gravity via General Relativity causes space-time to contract. In the limit of the black hole this contracts towards the point-instant. Gravity is also heading in the direction of the speed of light reference floor of the ground state.

All the forces of nature give off energy as they partially and piece meal covert matter to energy. This is also heading toward the floor of more energy and less matter. All roads lead the same place. Upside down is too complicated for a just a rough approximation of right side up.
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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #14 on: 22/06/2020 15:56:19 »
Quote from: puppypower on 22/06/2020 15:15:04
The speed of light is not the celling of the universe; fastest speed, but it is actually the floor of the universe. The speed of light is the actually connected to the ground state of the universe and therefore defines the zero reference of the universe. The analogy is sea level is the same for all the water references of the earth, at all elevations. If we stood on our head, while being in a cloud, sea level will look like the ceiling. This is what we have done.

We, as humans, assume reference is relative. Through hundreds of years of convention, we have used the earth reference as the universal relative ground state. If we assume this, the speed of light will indeed appear to be the ceiling. The problem is the speed of light is not part of relative reference, since it is the same for all relative references. The speed of light is part of an absolute reference system. It is not defined by relative reference.

One way to prove the speed of light is the floor of the universe is with some lab experiments. We first start with very low energy photons; radio waves. Matter and anti-matter pairs will never form from radio waves. We need to keep cranking up the energy value, before we can make matter and anti-matter appear. When we finally reach gamma and beyond, matter and antimatter pairs begin to appear from photons.

Matter and anti-matter only appear, in as a spontaneous equilibrium with potions, at the upper limits of energy. If we plot this on a relative energy scale, using E=MC2, matter appears only at the highest potentials Some photons, on the other hand, can exist without matter/antimatter equilibria, at very lower energy values. Energy, which moves at the speed of light touches the lowest potential energy floor, while matter, which cannot move at the speed of light appears near the energy ceiling.

Matter/mass cannot move at the speed of light, since to do so it would have to lower potential to below the equilibrium energy threshold of the photons where matter and anti-matter can appear.  Matter would have to come down from the ceiling and move toward floor of the matter/energy diagram, where it would need to phase change into pure energy without any matter before it can go the speed of light. At the ceiling we have matter and energy; ice and water, but to reach the floor at the speed of light, matter needs to melts into pure energy; only water. 

This does not happen very easily and spontaneously, because the easy path would be anti-matter and matter annihilation. But there is not enough antimatter left in the universe to do this for all the matter of the universe. The result is the path that is left, lacks the key anti-matter catalysts. The activation energy becomes infinite. Matter stays at the ceiling.

We would need infinite energy; high level energy, to generate even more matter and antimatter so we could destroy the original matter with a catalytic chain reaction. However, due to the continued imbalance of matter and anti-matter  some matter will still be left over, due to the original matter imbalance. As the energy approaches infinite, the left matter over becomes a negligible percent and can be called zero for all practical purposes.

The science community can see this but the science swamp does not want to undertake the redo of the entire system. There would be a short term disruptive of the status quo. It would be the new wild west of science, since when everyone stops standing on their head, the blood with rush to their feet and make everyone dizzy. However, once this wild west stage is done, it would simplify everything.

For example, the universal red shift, by making energy wavelength longer, is heading to the ground state floor; place of lowest energy quanta and no matter.

Gravity via General Relativity causes space-time to contract. In the limit of the black hole this contracts towards the point-instant. Gravity is also heading in the direction of the speed of light reference floor of the ground state.

All the forces of nature give off energy as they partially and piece meal covert matter to energy. This is also heading toward the floor of more energy and less matter. All roads lead the same place. Upside down is too complicated for a just a rough approximation of right side up.
None of that actually makes sense.
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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #15 on: 02/07/2020 12:49:31 »
The photon is a tiny little thing that has almost no area . Having almost no area allows the photon to travel through the Higgs field ''ether'' without being impeded by the ''ether'' .   

This allows the photon to travel at light speed , the maximum speed light can travel but not the maximum speed atomic matter can travel .





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Re: Why is there a maximum speed of light?
« Reply #16 on: 02/07/2020 13:28:13 »
Quote from: Tass on 02/07/2020 12:49:31
The photon is a tiny little thing that has almost no area . Having almost no area allows the photon to travel through the Higgs field ''ether'' without being impeded by the ''ether'' .   

This allows the photon to travel at light speed , the maximum speed light can travel but not the maximum speed atomic matter can travel .






That would be a fine explanation- in a universe where the Ether exists.
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