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Re: Do Quantum Phenomena prove God?
« Reply #20 on: 09/12/2020 17:36:39 »
Quote from: Hal on 09/12/2020 12:44:25
The Which-Way experiment is an overwhelming direct evidence.
It's very clearly not.
If it was even "fairly good" proof, then people would accept it.
We don't.
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Re: Do Quantum Phenomena prove God?
« Reply #21 on: 10/12/2020 02:10:47 »
Quote from: Hal on 09/12/2020 05:54:07
Then, since God, by definition, CANNOT lie
Whose definition is that? In many religious books, god lied many times.
In your case, it makes your god not omnipotent.
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Re: Do Quantum Phenomena prove God?
« Reply #22 on: 10/12/2020 02:13:07 »
Quote from: Hal on 09/12/2020 07:25:23
How do you explain the fact that every time ( thousand times) you do a Which-Way experiment with a polarizer placed in front of the detector, you always get an interference pattern?
Have you done the experiment?
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Re: Do Quantum Phenomena prove God?
« Reply #23 on: 10/12/2020 07:59:50 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 10/12/2020 02:13:07
Quote from: Hal on 09/12/2020 07:25:23
How do you explain the fact that every time ( thousand times) you do a Which-Way experiment with a polarizer placed in front of the detector, you always get an interference pattern?
Have you done the experiment?

No, I haven't done the experiment. I know that others have done the experiment many times.
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Re: Do Quantum Phenomena prove God?
« Reply #24 on: 10/12/2020 08:22:39 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/12/2020 17:36:39
Quote from: Hal on 09/12/2020 12:44:25
The Which-Way experiment is an overwhelming direct evidence.
It's very clearly not.
If it was even "fairly good" proof, then people would accept it.
We don't.

Physicists have been puzzled by quantum phenomena for decades and still have no explanation. Now this theory has been proposed and people reject it. Our prejudices always get in the way of rational thinking.
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Re: Do Quantum Phenomena prove God?
« Reply #25 on: 10/12/2020 08:56:29 »
Quote from: Hal on 10/12/2020 08:22:39
Our prejudices always get in the way of rational thinking.
Correct.
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Re: Do Quantum Phenomena prove God?
« Reply #26 on: 11/12/2020 11:01:37 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 10/12/2020 02:10:47
Quote from: Hal on 09/12/2020 05:54:07
Then, since God, by definition, CANNOT lie
Whose definition is that? In many religious books, god lied many times.
In your case, it makes your god not omnipotent.

Can you mention just one instance when God 'lied' ? 

But to say that God 'lies' is the same as saying God doesn’t exist. I guess that is what you mean. But I have proposed a proof of God's existence by quantum phenomena.  Or do you believe that God exists? In that case your statement is self contradicting.

So, if you believe God exists, then you must also accept He cannot lie. If you believe God doesn't exist, then you should provide an alternative explanation for the Which-Way experiment.

The problem is that when people think about religion they don't try to apply at least some level of rigor as they do to physics/science. This is because they think that religion is ridiculous and is not worth thinking about. They reject religion outright. I think this attitude has its roots in the fact that religion has been misrepresented in many ways for centuries.
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Re: Do Quantum Phenomena prove God?
« Reply #27 on: 12/12/2020 06:16:58 »
Quote from: Hal on 11/12/2020 11:01:37
The problem is that when people think about religion they don't try to apply at least some level of rigor as they do to physics/science. This is because they think that religion is ridiculous and is not worth thinking about. They reject religion outright. I think this attitude has its roots in the fact that religion has been misrepresented in many ways for centuries.
How many religions have you studied deeply? What are their similarities and difference?
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Re: Do Quantum Phenomena prove God?
« Reply #28 on: 12/12/2020 06:43:01 »
Quote from: Hal on 11/12/2020 11:01:37
Can you mention just one instance when God 'lied' ?
which god are you referring to?

I just search for lies in wikipedia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie
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  The Old Testament and New Testament of the Bible both contain statements that God cannot lie and that lying is immoral (Num. 23:19,[54] Hab. 2:3,[55] Heb. 6:13–18).[56] Nevertheless, there are examples of God deliberately causing enemies to become disorientated and confused, in order to provide victory (2 Thess. 2:11;[57][58] 1 Kings 22:23;[59] Ezek. 14:9).[60] 
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