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But does this match the frequency shift for the laser caused by the changing relative speed of light in the aether? Since frequency is velocity divided by wavelength, a laser beam traveling into an aether headwind at 500,000 m/s would have a frequency of (299,792,458 - 500,000)/0.00001 = 299,292,458/0.00001 = 29,929,245,800,000 hertz. Without the wind, the frequency would simply be 299,792,458/0.00001 = 29,979,245,800,000 hertz. Divide these two frequencies and you find that the laser beam in the headwind has 99.833217% the frequency of a stationary laser. This number does not match the frequency shift caused by length contract and therefore could not be masked by it.
LIGO uses several techniques to sift through the constant vibrational noise we encounter in order to confirm a gravitational wave detection. Some of these are:-Measuring all known noise sources (e.g., earthquakes, winds, ocean waves, traffic, farming activities, even molecular vibrations in LIGO's mirrors) with seismometers, magnetometers, microphones, and gamma ray detectors, and then filtering out the vibrations caused by these sources from our data.
But in any case my original main point was that by having the laser parallel to the etalon u then have similar or identical changes happening in both the laser & etalon during rotation, hencely how can the etalon be interrogating the aetherwind.
A photon in vacuum will tell u that it has the same speed & frequency & wavelength at all times & places
Quote from: mad aetherist on 06/03/2019 01:31:29But it does remind me of something i forgot to mention yesterday. A favourite Einsteinian ploy is to average away any embarrassing numbers. I notice that VRXs report daily averages, a good trick if u want a big fat zero.Explain how such averaging would get rid of any positive results in this particular experiment. If the device is constantly rotating (making a complete revolution several hundred times per day in this particular experiment), then it's true that it should measure a different aether wind speed during different times of the day. The speed of the device through space at some points would be the Earth's rotational speed plus the Earth's orbital speed, but it would be the Earth's rotational speed minus the Earth's orbital speed at other points. Since the rotational and orbital speeds of the Earth are not the same value, averaging these numbers out would not give you a zero over a day's worth of measuring.
But it does remind me of something i forgot to mention yesterday. A favourite Einsteinian ploy is to average away any embarrassing numbers. I notice that VRXs report daily averages, a good trick if u want a big fat zero.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 06/03/2019 01:31:29then in any case my description of the stickyness of photons to photons still applies.What is this photon "stickiness"? Is it something else you made up?
then in any case my description of the stickyness of photons to photons still applies.
It seems that you were correct and that the travel times are equal for photons in a vacuum but not in air.Nevertheless, LIGO doesn't require a difference of travel times to detect the aether. The frequency shift caused by a change in the speed of light in one of the arms is enough to cancel out the perfect destructive interference and produce a signal. In regards to your claim that LIGO would filter out noise caused by the aether wind, this statement from the official LIGO website shows why that isn't the case: https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/page/faqQuoteLIGO uses several techniques to sift through the constant vibrational noise we encounter in order to confirm a gravitational wave detection. Some of these are:-Measuring all known noise sources (e.g., earthquakes, winds, ocean waves, traffic, farming activities, even molecular vibrations in LIGO's mirrors) with seismometers, magnetometers, microphones, and gamma ray detectors, and then filtering out the vibrations caused by these sources from our data.This shows that they have to subtract noise from their detectors by running it against noise measurements from a variety of other sensors. Since they obviously don't have any aether noise detectors, any signal caused by the aether would not be filtered out.
Because there are also beams propagating at right angles to that particular beam (for both LIGO and the vacuum experiment I posted). Since length contraction and aether wind affects those beams differently, a measurable difference in frequency should result.
Maybe from the point of view of the photon. Since you posit that the photon can appear to move at different velocities depending on what the viewer's velocity is, then the measured frequency of that photon can change too. Waves of the same wavelength moving by me faster are going to appear as a higher frequency (more waves passing per unit time).
One must be aware that clever averaging can help to get rid of unwanted signal.An even more brazen trick is to attribute an unwanted signal to some other cause, & then subtract it.
Yes i dont remember reading about it. Photaenos (em radiation), little tornadic swirls of aether, emanate from the central helical body of a photon, & these dictate a photon's speed (ie c kmps). Photaenos interact with each other, they interfere etc, here i mean mainly with photaenos emitted by other photons, they fight for the same space, for the same use of the available aether. In addition to this that same kind of interaction can result in waves of photons forming formations, a kind of stickyness.
I wouldnt call a 0.00002315 hertz signal a signal needing filtering.But even so as i said an aetherwind signal would manifest as a 12 hr signal, ie only 0.00002315 hertz.
In any case it would take a carefull analysis of what happens to the laser beam after reflecting off thems systems of mirrors.
Not exactly. What we have is an observer sitting in the lab & a laser sitting in the lab (albeit rotating). We dont have an observer whizzing past the lab.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 10/03/2019 00:09:45One must be aware that clever averaging can help to get rid of unwanted signal. An even more brazen trick is to attribute an unwanted signal to some other cause, & then subtract it. And you have evidence that such things happened with the vacuum experiment I posted?
One must be aware that clever averaging can help to get rid of unwanted signal. An even more brazen trick is to attribute an unwanted signal to some other cause, & then subtract it.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 10/03/2019 00:09:45Yes i dont remember reading about it. Photaenos (em radiation), little tornadic swirls of aether, emanate from the central helical body of a photon, & these dictate a photon's speed (ie c kmps). Photaenos interact with each other, they interfere etc, here i mean mainly with photaenos emitted by other photons, they fight for the same space, for the same use of the available aether. In addition to this that same kind of interaction can result in waves of photons forming formations, a kind of stickyness.What experimental evidence exists for this effect?
Quote from: mad aetherist on 10/03/2019 00:33:23I wouldnt call a 0.00002315 hertz signal a signal needing filtering. But even so as i said an aetherwind signal would manifest as a 12 hr signal, ie only 0.00002315 hertz.That's not how it works. If you sat in a room that raised its temperature 1 degree per hour, you wouldn't be able to feel how fast the temperature is rising. Stay in there long enough, however, and you'd definitely notice that you were overheating. It's the same thing with LIGO. It might take 6 or 12 hours to get a full strength signal, but it still does eventually get to that full strength signal.
I wouldnt call a 0.00002315 hertz signal a signal needing filtering. But even so as i said an aetherwind signal would manifest as a 12 hr signal, ie only 0.00002315 hertz.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 10/03/2019 00:33:23In any case it would take a carefull analysis of what happens to the laser beam after reflecting off thems systems of mirrors.Right. Measuring frequency differences between the beams to high precision would count.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 10/03/2019 00:33:23Not exactly. What we have is an observer sitting in the lab & a laser sitting in the lab (albeit rotating). We dont have an observer whizzing past the lab.Both the observer and the lab are presumably whizzing past the aether.
Slowing of light in air water glass & near mass. Refraction, diffraction, bending of light near mass. Reflexion of light. The Catt TEM. EM radiation. The 5c speed of em in the near field. Stickyness of photons, forming waves & wave fronts & wave trains.
No. LIGO are not looking for a 12 hr temp kind of effect, they are looking for a 50 hertz to 500 hertz temp kind of effect.
Yes but if an observer sitting near the laser sees a static standing wave front wave train kind of beam then that beam will look the same no matter what the aetherwind.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 10/03/2019 00:09:45One must be aware that clever averaging can help to get rid of unwanted signal.An even more brazen trick is to attribute an unwanted signal to some other cause, & then subtract it. And you have evidence that such things happened with the vacuum experiment I posted?
The VRX gizmo & the associated stupid theory are so complicated that no one really knows what is going on.
In any case Herouni has shown that the CMB is zero, it dont exist, its the Earth's oceans.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 10/03/2019 08:27:14In any case Herouni has shown that the CMB is zero, it dont exist, its the Earth's oceans.Have you some extraordinary evidence to go with that?In particular, can you explain why this sees the CMB, even though it's not even in orbit around the Earth?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkinson_Microwave_Anisotropy_ProbeYou really need to start reality checking your ideas.
The radiation is from Earth's oceans.
WMAP aint on Earth.
You really need to start reality checking your ideas.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 10/03/2019 08:27:14The VRX gizmo & the associated stupid theory are so complicated that no one really knows what is going on.You think that just because you don't understand the set-up and terminology that those who built it must not either?Here is another article which describes the apparatus. Perhaps it will help clarify some points you didn't understand: http://www.exphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/Publikationen/2007/Eisele%20et%20al%20A%20crossed%20optical%20cavities%20apparatus%20for%20a%20precision%20test%20of%20the%20isotropy%20of%20light%20propagation%202007.pdf
Quote from: mad aetherist on 10/03/2019 21:33:50The radiation is from Earth's oceans.Quote from: mad aetherist on 10/03/2019 21:33:50WMAP aint on Earth. Then how the **** does WMAP see the radiation in space then?Quote from: Bored chemist on 10/03/2019 14:45:30You really need to start reality checking your ideas.
Cahill shows once again that when examined more closely with an expert aetheric eye that the Xs actually proov aether.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 10/03/2019 21:33:50The radiation is from Earth's oceans.Right, because the oceans are the only part of the Earth's surface that emit thermal radiation. Everyone knows that the surrounding land is at absolute zero.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 10/03/2019 22:11:20Cahill shows once again that when examined more closely with an expert aetheric eye that the Xs actually proov aether.Looking at Figure 17 in the paper, the error bars are so large that it's possible that the actual data points lie on almost a straight line through them.
Not only that, but the first three error bars are completely outside of what the absolute motion model predicts. Hardly a compelling case for aether.
Then I would have to ask, what does an analysis of this 1963 data have to do with the data from LIGO or the Eisele-Nevsky-Schiller experiment?
The fact that this Reginald T. Cahill person is also an advocate for the expanding Earth theory (and says that it's caused by a black hole at the center of the Earth) does not bode well for his credibility...
I dont understand that stuff
but Robitaille says that the two main bonds in water have a strength of 100 to 1
their radiations must have a ratio of 100 to 1, which results in 300 kelvin & 3 kelvin.
Yes but there is a clear trend in thems points, bearing in mind that thems points are probly averages themselves.
his main point being that there is a dip near 18 hr.
The Jaseja is similar to Eisele, so much of what Cahill says might apply.
Cahill isnt an expanding Earthist. U might be confusing him with Miles Mathis.
Quote from: mad aetherist on 11/03/2019 01:21:12but Robitaille says that the two main bonds in water have a strength of 100 to 1100 to 1... of what? The two bonds in water are the exact same type. Their strengths are equal to each other.Quotetheir radiations must have a ratio of 100 to 1, which results in 300 kelvin & 3 kelvin.That isn't how temperature works...