[paul cotter]

Hamdani, the only thing a video proves is that someone can produce that video, nothing more.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Hamdani, the only thing a video proves is that someone can produce that video, nothing more.

You can say the same thing about peer reviewed publication.

[paul cotter]

You are totally wrong. Peer reviewed research has passed scrutiny by competent fellow researchers while a video can say anything, regardless of truth. I am beginning to think you just like arguing for argument's sake.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

You are totally wrong. Peer reviewed research has passed scrutiny by competent fellow researchers while a video can say anything, regardless of truth. I am beginning to think you just like arguing for argument's sake.

Peer reviewed research can avoid crazy and random errors and mistakes. But they are prone to group thinking and trapped in local minima.
Self censoring your sources of information can limit your ability in searching for the truth. You won't be able to find the errors in my arguments without reading them first.

In the end, the ultimate justification for an assertion X will take a form like, we accept the veracity of X because we survive by assuming that X is true. It becomes obvious when we meet someone else with alternative assertion Y, while a more fundamental common assertion is not available.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

In this video, a Universal Basic Services is proposed, instead of Universal Basic Income.

Electricity is one of the most common basic utilities in modern society.

[ArthurArts]

In this video, a Universal Basic Services is proposed, instead of Universal Basic Income.

Electricity is one of the most common basic utilities in modern society.

Thanks for the video. I wish there were more places like this.

Peer reviewed research has passed scrutiny by competent fellow researchers while a video can say anything, regardless of truth.

Agree. Especially now, when misinformation is spreading at incredible speed, and the text on many sites is generated from pieces of text by incompetent translators, it is essential to trust trusted sources. I encountered this when I wrote a Holocaust paper in college. I came across dozens of resources where information was presented, as the site owner liked it. However, I could still find a reliable source like https://edubirdie.com/examples/holocaust/ [nofollow] where professionals wrote the text based on verified facts. It is important to check the information you use, so between a peer reviewed publication and a YouTube video, I will definitely choose the first one.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Other basic utilities need to be made easily available are water treatment and waste water treatment plants.
The next step would be productions of staple foods. Basically, all things that make people more productive and able to contribute to the sustainability of the society should be made more easily available.

[alancalverd]

If you can make a convincing argument that philosophy is useless,

No need. There being no convincing argument that it is useful, why bother?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

If you can make a convincing argument that philosophy is useless,

No need. There being no convincing argument that it is useful, why bother?

Do you know that logic is part of philosophy?
Physics used to be called natural philosophy. Remember Newton's Principia?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

A great quote from this video below : Sustainability is an opportunity, not a sacrifice.

Are We the Last Generation ? or the First Sustainable One? | Hannah Ritchie | TED

The word "sustainability" gets thrown around a lot these days. But what does it actually mean for humanity to be sustainable? Environmental data scientist Hannah Ritchie digs into the numbers behind human progress across centuries, unpacking why the conventional understanding of sustainability is misleading and showing how we can be the first generation of humans to actually achieve it.

[alancalverd]

Do you know that logic is part of philosophy?

According to philosophers, everything is part of philosophy. Even economists are less arrogant. But it doesn't make either profession admirable or useful.

OK. I'm skating on thin ice here as I have a PhD, but the historic word has a different meaning in its modern context. Thinking about what happened is an essential tool in science, but housebuilding is not a subset of hammers and science is not a subset of philosophy.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

housebuilding is not a subset of hammers and science is not a subset of philosophy.

Hammers is a subset of hand tools.

[alancalverd]

And thinking about what happened is just one component of the scientific process. Observe, hypothesise, predict, test. Set theory rather depends on the subset being included in the set, not the other way around.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Do you know that logic is part of philosophy?

According to philosophers, everything is part of philosophy. Even economists are less arrogant. But it doesn't make either profession admirable or useful.

OK. I'm skating on thin ice here as I have a PhD, but the historic word has a different meaning in its modern context. Thinking about what happened is an essential tool in science, but housebuilding is not a subset of hammers and science is not a subset of philosophy.

Since when did logic excluded from philosophy?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Any form of "AI" is only as smart as the programmers who write it's program. I think you have an unfounded belief that technology can solve all problems.  PS I don't look at videos, I get my information from peer reviewed publications.

Programmers of Alpha Zero can't beat it in the games like Go and chess.
They are short videos. If you think you don't have adequate critical thinking capacity to understand and analyze them for yourself, I can't force you to.

For convenience, I've compiled my videos about this thread in a playlist, which can be opened from the post I've marked as best answer. If you think you find errors in them, please let me know.

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=71347.msg643173#msg643173

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Universal Basic Income: What Simple Soundbites Aren't Telling You @ScottSantens

Hi there! It's Dylan Curious, and in today's video, we had an enlightening conversation with Scott Santens, a renowned researcher and advocate for Universal Basic Income (UBI). We dove deep into the potential impacts of Artificial Intelligence (AI) on our economy and how UBI could serve as a viable economic model for the future.

We start by defining UBI as a cash payment that's unconditional, universal, and regularly provided to individuals. This concept is not new - take the Alaska dividend as an example, where residents have received a yearly dividend since 1982.

We also explored the potential of using taxes from technologically advanced companies, particularly those benefitting from AI and automation, to fund UBI. This approach could prevent the wealth accumulated from automation from being concentrated with a small group of people.

One of the significant aspects of UBI is that it encourages entrepreneurship. It provides an economic safety net, allowing people to take risks without the fear of falling into poverty. Scott shared a story about a woman in Namibia who used her UBI to start a successful baking business. Her business thrived because every person in her village, being a recipient of UBI, had the financial means to become her customer.

We also talked about how UBI could help revive smalltown USA. By providing everyone with a basic income, the spending power of the people would increase, creating demand and encouraging the establishment of local businesses.

Scott provided a compelling argument against political opposition to UBI. He emphasized that we are all shareholders in the age of AI and automation, having contributed to its development. And as shareholders, we deserve a dividend from this technology - in the form of UBI.

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[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

universality

The universality of a terminal goal can be tested by how much diversity of the environment where it can be applied, and how much diversity of the entities who can sustainably apply it.
I've concluded that extending the existence of conscious entities to the future is applicable for any conscious entities, from simple life forms to humans, from aliens to smart machines, AGI and ASI.
When Andromeda collides with Milky Way, there will be higher chance for our successors to meet with intelligent aliens. Just like chemical reactions are more likely to happen when the reactants are well mixed. Having a common goal can reduce the chance of conflicts between them. There is nothing more common than something that's universal, like universal terminal goal.

[alancalverd]

Since when did logic excluded from philosophy?

Philosophy includes everything, according to philosophers.  But, like economics and politics, it doesn't involve modifying your hypothesis in the light of observation, so according to everyone else, it is a futile exercise in arrogance. 

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

According to Wikipedia,
Philosophy is a systematic study of general and fundamental questions concerning topics like existence, reason, knowledge, value, mind, and language. It is a rational and critical inquiry that reflects on its own methods and assumptions.

Oxford dictionary defines philosophy as
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.

Google Bard says.
Philosophy is the study of fundamental questions about existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language. It is a discipline that encourages critical thinking and the examination of assumptions. Philosophers use a variety of methods to explore these questions, including logical analysis, conceptual analysis, and thought experiments.
Philosophy is not just an academic discipline; it can also be a practical guide to living a good life. By reflecting on philosophical questions, we can develop our critical thinking skills, learn to make better decisions, and live more meaningful lives.
Overall, philosophy is a valuable tool for understanding ourselves and the world around us. It can help us to think more critically, make better decisions, and live more meaningful lives.

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There is no goal.