What is your theodicy?

Europan Ocean · « **on:** 05/02/2023 17:54:10 »

I have been reading various theodicies from ChatGPT. Including Catholic, Lutheran, Atheist, Anti-theist, Buddhist....

I wanted to ask what members here have to say in their theodicies?

Bored chemist · « **Reply #1 on:** 05/02/2023 20:05:40 »

Because God does not exist, He can not solve the problems that He didn't create.

alancalverd · « **Reply #2 on:** 05/02/2023 21:01:46 »

If it begins with "theo" it's evil, perverted and an insult to human intelligence..

Zer0 · « **Reply #3 on:** 05/02/2023 21:06:53 »

Europan Ocean · « **Reply #4 on:** 07/02/2023 06:32:15 »

Quote from: alancalverd on 05/02/2023 21:01:46

If it begins with "theo" it's evil, perverted and an insult to human intelligence..

ChatGPT renders this for anti-theist theodicy:

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Anti-theist theodicy is a term that refers to the philosophical arguments and explanations made by individuals who are anti-theistic, meaning they reject the existence of a deity or gods. In this context, theodicy refers to the attempt to reconcile the existence of evil or suffering with the idea of a benevolent and all-powerful deity.

Anti-theists argue that the existence of evil and suffering in the world is evidence against the existence of a benevolent deity, and that the idea of an all-powerful and all-knowing God is inherently flawed. They may also argue that religious explanations for evil and suffering are insufficient and that it is up to individuals to find their own meaning and purpose in life, without relying on divine intervention or guidance.

It is important to note that anti-theist theodicy is just one perspective on the existence of evil and suffering, and there are many other religious and philosophical perspectives that address this issue in different ways.

Bored chemist · « **Reply #5 on:** 07/02/2023 08:05:32 »

Quote from: alancalverd on 05/02/2023 21:01:46

If it begins with "theo" it's evil, perverted and an insult to human intelligence..

Seems harsh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt

alancalverd · « **Reply #6 on:** 07/02/2023 09:02:22 »

I can't criticise anyone for the name they were given, but I can despise whoever gave it.

alancalverd · « **Reply #7 on:** 07/02/2023 09:06:08 »

Quote from: Europan Ocean on 07/02/2023 06:32:15

anti-theistic, meaning they reject the existence of a deity or gods. In this context,

And I don't like people who tell me what I think. My concern is nothing to do with the existence of a deity, but based on a deep suspicion of those who promote theism and must be held accountable for the harm they do.
Good deeds do not require justification. The function of theism is to excuse evil.

evan_au · « **Reply #8 on:** 07/02/2023 19:25:32 »

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theodicies from ChatGPT

...and what is ChatGPT's theodicy?

hamdani yusuf · « **Reply #9 on:** 09/02/2023 02:05:03 »

Quote from: alancalverd on 07/02/2023 09:06:08

The function of theism is to excuse evil.

What do you mean by evil?

hamdani yusuf · « **Reply #10 on:** 09/02/2023 02:05:52 »

Quote from: evan_au on 07/02/2023 19:25:32

Quote from: OP
theodicies from ChatGPT
...and what is ChatGPT's theodicy?

You can ask it yourself, if you have access to it.

Europan Ocean · « **Reply #11 on:** 09/02/2023 13:24:27 »

Quote from: evan_au on 07/02/2023 19:25:32

Quote from: OP
theodicies from ChatGPT
...and what is ChatGPT's theodicy?

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As an AI language model, I don't have personal beliefs or opinions, let alone a theodicy. A theodicy is a philosophical or theological explanation for the existence of evil or suffering in the world, often in relation to the existence of a benevolent and all-powerful deity.

The concept of a theodicy is a complex one that has been debated by theologians, philosophers, and scholars for centuries, and there is no single, universally accepted answer. Different theodicies offer different explanations and perspectives, and the choice of a particular theodicy often depends on one's religious or philosophical beliefs, cultural background, and personal experiences.

From ChatGPT
I checked through Greek Mythology, Shinto, Atheist, Lutheran... it has short answers.

hamdani yusuf · « **Reply #12 on:** 09/02/2023 13:56:12 »

Quote from: Europan Ocean on 09/02/2023 13:24:27

Quote from: evan_au on 07/02/2023 19:25:32
Quote from: OP
theodicies from ChatGPT
...and what is ChatGPT's theodicy?
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As an AI language model, I don't have personal beliefs or opinions, let alone a theodicy. A theodicy is a philosophical or theological explanation for the existence of evil or suffering in the world, often in relation to the existence of a benevolent and all-powerful deity.

The concept of a theodicy is a complex one that has been debated by theologians, philosophers, and scholars for centuries, and there is no single, universally accepted answer. Different theodicies offer different explanations and perspectives, and the choice of a particular theodicy often depends on one's religious or philosophical beliefs, cultural background, and personal experiences.
From ChatGPT
I checked through Greek Mythology, Shinto, Atheist, Lutheran... it has short answers.

Can you ask it about the universal terminal goal and universal moral standard?
I tried to use ChatGPT in the link https://chat.openai.com/, but what I get is just a message.

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Access denied
You do not have access to chat.openai.com.

The site owner may have set restrictions that prevent you from accessing the site.

Jimbee · « **Reply #13 on:** 09/02/2023 15:29:45 »

Had to add this (then continue your discussion): I think there's a God (a force, a plan, whatever). But he/she/it just doesn't care. Doesn't that make more sense? He's the God of morality, the God of love, the God of adorable little puppy dogs. But also the God of murder, the God of hate, the God of genocide...

alancalverd · « **Reply #14 on:** 09/02/2023 18:24:12 »

Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 09/02/2023 02:05:03

Quote from: alancalverd on 07/02/2023 09:06:08
The function of theism is to excuse evil.
What do you mean by evil?

Any action that intentionally causes harm.

Bored chemist · « **Reply #15 on:** 09/02/2023 19:52:28 »

Quote from: alancalverd on 09/02/2023 18:24:12

Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 09/02/2023 02:05:03
Quote from: alancalverd on 07/02/2023 09:06:08
The function of theism is to excuse evil.
What do you mean by evil?

Any action that intentionally causes harm.

Would putting the serpent in the Garden of Eden count as evil?
Did the Serpent do God's will just as a bullet does the bank-robber's will?

hamdani yusuf · « **Reply #16 on:** 10/02/2023 06:39:34 »

Quote from: Jimbee on 09/02/2023 15:29:45

Had to add this (then continue your discussion): I think there's a God (a force, a plan, whatever). But he/she/it just doesn't care. Doesn't that make more sense? He's the God of morality, the God of love, the God of adorable little puppy dogs. But also the God of murder, the God of hate, the God of genocide...

Does adding more Gods to the equation make things simpler?
Does it help us to make more accurate predictions which would allow us to make better decisions?
How does it compare to the status quo, or reducing the number of Gods that people believe?

hamdani yusuf · « **Reply #17 on:** 10/02/2023 06:51:15 »

Quote from: alancalverd on 09/02/2023 18:24:12

Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 09/02/2023 02:05:03
Quote from: alancalverd on 07/02/2023 09:06:08
The function of theism is to excuse evil.
What do you mean by evil?

Any action that intentionally causes harm.

How do you define harm?
Can your definition be consistently used to determine if these cases are evil?
A human kills a mosquito which is biting him.
Humans use gene drive to get a species of mosquito into extinction.
Fishermen kill dolphins because they compete for fish.
Neutering stray cats.
Kick boxers kicking each others.

Bored chemist · « **Reply #18 on:** 10/02/2023 08:53:50 »

Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 10/02/2023 06:39:34

Does adding more Gods to the equation make things simpler?

Not as affectively as removing them.

Europan Ocean · « **Reply #19 on:** 10/02/2023 11:24:48 »

Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 09/02/2023 13:56:12

Quote from: Europan Ocean on 09/02/2023 13:24:27
Quote from: evan_au on 07/02/2023 19:25:32
Quote from: OP
theodicies from ChatGPT
...and what is ChatGPT's theodicy?
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As an AI language model, I don't have personal beliefs or opinions, let alone a theodicy. A theodicy is a philosophical or theological explanation for the existence of evil or suffering in the world, often in relation to the existence of a benevolent and all-powerful deity.

The concept of a theodicy is a complex one that has been debated by theologians, philosophers, and scholars for centuries, and there is no single, universally accepted answer. Different theodicies offer different explanations and perspectives, and the choice of a particular theodicy often depends on one's religious or philosophical beliefs, cultural background, and personal experiences.
From ChatGPT
I checked through Greek Mythology, Shinto, Atheist, Lutheran... it has short answers.
Can you ask it about the universal terminal goal and universal moral standard?
I tried to use ChatGPT in the link https://chat.openai.com/, but what I get is just a message.
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Access denied
You do not have access to chat.openai.com.

The site owner may have set restrictions that prevent you from accessing the site.

To join ChatGPT you can look up an article on it, maybe in Wikipedia, and join like it's an email account...

The Catholic Catechism aims to be a universal moral standard, but I do not think one size fits all races and individuals... The Sikhs also made one.

What is your theodicy?

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