[johntsang]

On the otherhand , think from the point of those particles on the ring singularity inside a rotating black hole, it would seem like he's in 4 dimension space, whereas one of the axis is at the speed of light .... don't you think so ?

[another_someone]

quote:Originally posted by ukmicky

I would love to see what would happen if two evenly matched blackholes colided with each other head on at speed. Could a singularity be destroyed and spew its guts into space

Michael

quote:Originally posted by Soul Surfer

No they should just form a bigger black hole any spectacular stuff will be hidden behind the event horizon

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I can see why you would say this, but what happens to the kinetic energy?

Internally, it would no doubt simply create a lot of heat, but would you not get a violation of the conservation of energy unless we could somehow see that kinetic energy do something outside of the black hole?  Will all that kinetic energy be converted to mass (i.e. the mass of the two coalesced black holes exceeding the sum of the individual masses of the black holes)?

[Soul Surfer (OP)]

You've pretty well argued it out yourself.  The big point is that if you have a true point singularity the potential energy that can be turned into kinetic energy is without bound  but we only see the bit outside the event horizon.

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[DoctorBeaver]

Ian - I've got a question about the particles. You say you expect their motion to settle down into fractal spirals. If the angles between all the particles remained constant (i.e. their motion & speeds were constant, or changing at a consistent rate), I can see that the visual effect would be similar to that of "normal" spacetime. But would that happen?  To maintain a stable orbit, wouldn't the particle's distance from the centre determine its speed?
Take the example of a solar system. If all the planets were identical & by some fluke started off all lined up away from the sun, would they stay lined up with identical periods of orbit (as if stuck on the surface of a disc), or gradually move "out of phase"?
I've heard the analogy comparing the effect of a rotating black hole on spacetime with a whirlpool's effect on water. The water near the centre is moving much faster than that at the outer limit. Spacetime nearer the centre of a rotating blackhole would similarly be pulled around much faster. If the singularity was toroidal, the effect would, surely, be even more pronounced. If that were the case, then the effect would be totally different from what we see in the universe. Not all objects at the extremes of detection would be moving away as we would gradually be catching up with those that were ahead of us in their orbit; much in the same way as Earth catches up & passes planets that are further from the sun.

[Soul Surfer (OP)]

I think the ring singularity would form a toroidal surface like the surface of a ring doughnut very thin and dense with the main gravitational forces normal or perpendicular to the surface and the angular momentum in each of the directions defining the size of the main ring and the loop as the particles cooled down they all end up at very similar velocities  their orbital velocity is such that it is extremely close to the velocity of light

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[DoctorBeaver]

So are you saying that the observable universe is just 1 tiny part of the surface? That the entire universe may be a toroidal version of Larry Niven's Ringworld?

[G-1 Theory]

Dear Soul Surfer;

 

quote: Note: This analysis requires No new physics, just standard relativity quantum theory and GRAVITY

 The please sir, Explain to all of us the particle / energy source and pattern of this gravitational fields of force that you call standard.

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[G-1 Theory]

Sorry: I forgot Soul surfer is not talking to Me, But Please someone out answer my question!!!!!!

So I may understand this posting
"Learn the facts and go on from there, and never stop asking questions."

Admiral Rickover

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Dr. Feymann

[Soul Surfer (OP)]

Sorry I am not sure I understand your question G-1 could you please rephrase it and put in a bit more intermediate thinking

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[G-1 Theory]

quote:Originally posted by Soul Surfer

Sorry I am not sure I understand your question G-1 could you please rephrase it and put in a bit more intermediate thinking

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All that I want to know is;

 [ What you are calling STANDERD Gravity in your lines that says;

NOTE: This analysis requires NO new physics. Just standard relativity quantum theory and gravity.]


Also can your standerd gravity state its' orgin particle / energy source and its' field pattern.

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[Soul Surfer (OP)]

By that I meant current, commonly accepted and experimentally verified aspects of all the physical sciences.  Nothing new, so just consult a physics and mathematics textbook to find your detailed answers.

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[Solvay_1927]

I know it's 6 months late, but ...

Ian - going back to your original postings above - what about the Unruh effect (due to the centripetal acceleration) - wouldn't the particles in the toroidal structure be bathed in fairly intense heat?

[Soul Surfer (OP)]

Yes, initially the temperature would go up to increedible values but this energy would probably be used to create more paritcles and thus cool the whole thing down as the particles settle down into their spiral orbits together with the photons that happen to be going the same way  the particles and photons can't be going at exactly the same speed but the differences will be related to the energy differences beteeen them  ie the temeperature.

I'm glad you brought this topic back  because I think there ar some stirrings from the theoretical physicists in this area

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[Soul Surfer (OP)]

Maybe I haven't made it quite clear the thinking behind this is that is a semi classical prcess that could show that something can appear to be very small and high energy in some dimensions and be cold and large in other dimensions  simultaneously.

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