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Clearly you have not experienced different cultures.
People want to hear stories confirming the supernatural and they lose their skepticism.
When one has a filtered list then one needs to explain how such events can be "manufactured" by the brain. I do not believe that under normal everyday circumstances that a spontaneous hallucination occurs. What science is looking for is "glitches" in the fabric of reality.
The problem is having the study done properly and scientifically in a way that does not presuppose an outcome. Far too many scientific studies do this. It is easy to see the ones that are just done to get the grant money where students take supposedly random polls with so much irrelevant data.
One can do a scientific analysis of various aspects of the supernatural and check for inconsistencies and contradictions. One God or multiple Gods? One God with helper Gods/spirits? Good versus evil - is it evolution or damaged personalities or can people respond impulsively to a demonic suggestion? Reincarnation - logical when compared to billions of souls existing in a do-nothing state?And so on.
Quote from: CliveG on 21/01/2020 12:22:08Clearly you have not experienced different cultures. That's another example of you getting it wrong because you are one of those who " guess an answer if they are unsure".Quote from: CliveG on 30/09/2019 05:41:43 People want to hear stories confirming the supernatural and they lose their skepticism.And that breaks the irony meter.
Quote from: CliveG on 20/01/2020 12:01:26When one has a filtered list then one needs to explain how such events can be "manufactured" by the brain. I do not believe that under normal everyday circumstances that a spontaneous hallucination occurs. What science is looking for is "glitches" in the fabric of reality.IMO, the purpose of science is to build a model of objective reality as accurate and precise as possible. It will help us (conscious agents) to make plans and decisions to effectively and efficiently achieve our ultimate/terminal goal and setting up iinstrumental goals.
Quote from: CliveG on 20/01/2020 12:01:26The problem is having the study done properly and scientifically in a way that does not presuppose an outcome. Far too many scientific studies do this. It is easy to see the ones that are just done to get the grant money where students take supposedly random polls with so much irrelevant data.Do you have reference to that assertion? It hink it's related to a problem called Goodhart's Curse which I mentioned here. https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=75380.msg590937#msg590937
Quote from: CliveG on 20/01/2020 12:01:26One can do a scientific analysis of various aspects of the supernatural and check for inconsistencies and contradictions. One God or multiple Gods? One God with helper Gods/spirits? Good versus evil - is it evolution or damaged personalities or can people respond impulsively to a demonic suggestion? Reincarnation - logical when compared to billions of souls existing in a do-nothing state?And so on.I'll add which God question there.Regarding the reincarnation, does it count other life forms lurking in other planets in other galaxies?
Irony? Why?
One prays and the one true God (or the helper spirits) respond.
Quote from: CliveG on 24/01/2020 06:11:35People want to hear stories confirming the supernatural and they lose their skepticism.Quote from: CliveG on 24/01/2020 06:11:35Irony? Why? Because you don't recognise yourself.You want a supernatural belief- hence your references to God etc.And you lost your skepticism- hence you believe the hogwash about "phones cause cancer".But you say it as it fit only happens to other people.Quote from: CliveG on 24/01/2020 06:50:36One prays and the one true God (or the helper spirits) respond.And that's why hurricanes never hit populated areas.
IIRC Satan was originally God's favorite, hence his alias as Lucifer, but he had ideas above his station and was deposed. Beats me why anyone bothers with this bullshit, when it is obvious that the universe was created by Zeus raping a swan, which doesn't explain the turtles but clearly makes more sense than any Triune Mystery.
As many theists have suggested that the existence of gods is necessary for us to have morality, how can believing in gods help us making moral decisions such us in trolley problem and its variations? These problems are getting more concerns in the increasing usage of artificial intelligence such as in self driving cars. Can those cars make correct moral decisions without believing in gods?
Those who strongly believe there is a spiritual consequence are strongly disinclined to do evil.
The argument that there are people who do not need religion to act morally is arguing exceptions to the basic principle.
Those who strongly believe there is a spiritual consequence are strongly disinclined to do evil. A logical fact that I have experienced over and over.
Quote from: CliveG on 25/01/2020 09:26:50Those who strongly believe there is a spiritual consequence are strongly disinclined to do evil. A logical fact that I have experienced over and over. So your huge experience of ISIS rapes, beatings and beheadings has been positive? ***** for Trip Adviser, even though the menu lacked pork and beer?
Quote from: CliveG on 25/01/2020 09:26:50Those who strongly believe there is a spiritual consequence are strongly disinclined to do evil.Unless, of course, that consequence is just telling your story to a man in a little box and being told that his invisible friend forgives you.Apparently, a murderer who went to the confessional will get into heaven, but I won't because I act in the way He designed me to, but which He disapproves of.Seems a strange way to run a Universe.Quote from: CliveG on 25/01/2020 09:26:50The argument that there are people who do not need religion to act morally is arguing exceptions to the basic principle.We are hardly an " exception".In some countries atheism is the majority.In the UK atheists are a majority in some age groups.You seem to be trying to say that only religion gets it right.The evidence shows otherwise.
When I hear of exceptional people doing exceptional good I can almost rely on them being faithful believers.
A homeless woman here had a 26 kg tumor.
Another area in which I am of the opinion that studies tend to prove the desired outcome with questions and polls that are badly set up and badly interpreted.
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Cause and effect? Or just coincidence?
Quote from: CliveG on 26/01/2020 18:40:19Will this comment be removed by the moderators also?I doubt it.Quote from: CliveG on 26/01/2020 18:40:19Cause and effect? Or just coincidence?Or conspiracy theory.