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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: aetzbar on 19/09/2017 14:00:47

Title: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: aetzbar on 19/09/2017 14:00:47
Do you know a device that measures the amount of material?
There is a length meter (simple ruler)
There is a space meter
There is a volume meter
There is an energy meter (a simple spring)
There is a time meter (simple clock)

But there is no material gauge
Is it possible to measure the amount of orange matter?
Is it possible to measure the amount of material of a pencil?
And anyway, what is material? There is no answer to this question.
And maybe I'm wrong ... and there's an answer


 simple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: Kryptid on 19/09/2017 21:38:04
I have one in my house. It's called a scale.
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: Bored chemist on 19/09/2017 22:25:56
"Is it possible to measure the amount of material of a pencil?"
Mass.
Did you really not know that?
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: aetzbar on 19/09/2017 22:40:50
Please try to describe the measurement.
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: Kryptid on 19/09/2017 22:41:54
Please try to describe the measurement.

I'm pretty sure you already know how a scale works.
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: aetzbar on 19/09/2017 22:46:37
How ?
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: Kryptid on 19/09/2017 22:48:27
How ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weighing_scale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weighing_scale)
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: aetzbar on 19/09/2017 23:01:04
The device you are viewing measures passive energy.
Kg is the amount of passive energy.
If you stand on the unit, the spring inside the device shrinks.
This cramped spring contains your passive angia.
If you place a watermelon on the device, it will measure the passive energy of the watermelon.
Material meter does not exist
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: aetzbar on 19/09/2017 23:34:07
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: Kryptid on 19/09/2017 23:42:02
The device you are viewing measures passive energy.
Kg is the amount of passive energy.
If you stand on the unit, the spring inside the device shrinks.
This cramped spring contains your passive angia.
If you place a watermelon on the device, it will measure the passive energy of the watermelon.
Material meter does not exist

If you are going to be that technical about it, then you aren't measuring the energy either. What you are measuring is the change in length of the spring. You can then use an equation to tell you how much potential energy is stored in the spring based on how much it has been compressed. However, you can do the exact same thing to tell you the mass of an object being weighed on the spring. So the mass calculation is no less valid than the energy calculation.
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: aetzbar on 20/09/2017 00:06:24
There is no precise scientific definition of what is called matter.
I suggested: This is something that has passive energy.
You can measure the amount of passive energy of this thing.
A passive energy meter is a simple spring.

Every real body has a quantity of passive energy.
This is given enough to create new physics.
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: Kryptid on 20/09/2017 00:33:28
There is no precise scientific definition of what is called matter.
I suggested: This is something that has passive energy.
You can measure the amount of passive energy of this thing.
A passive energy meter is a simple spring.

Every real body has a quantity of passive energy.
This is given enough to create new physics.

There's nothing new about that physics. It was known ever since Einstein came up with E=mc2 that every mass has an associated potential energy value.

What I said earlier is true: if you can use a spring to measure energy you can use it to measure mass as well.
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: aetzbar on 20/09/2017 06:43:20
Mass is a non-scientific concept because it is not measured
The material is also a non-scientific concept, since it is not measured.
Power is also a non-scientific concept because it is not measured.

Energy is a scientific concept because it is measured with a simple spring.

So what is the simple and wrong solution?

We measure energy and say we measured mass
Measure energy and say it is a substance
Measure energy and say it's power

Is this conceivable?
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: Kryptid on 20/09/2017 16:35:20
How do you expect us to take you seriously when you won't address the points we raise in our posts?
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: Bored chemist on 20/09/2017 20:15:47
passive energy
You seem to have made this up.
Are you able to explain it in a way that shows it to be useful?
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: aetzbar on 20/09/2017 22:31:40
 The following concepts (weight, power, mass, amount of matter) reflect the concept of passive energy.
The weight of a watermelon can express the amount of its passive energy.
The amount of passive energy of a person, is about 75 kg
The amount of passive energy of a family car, is about 1500 kg
Every real body has a quantity of passive energy.
There is no need for the terms power, matter, mass, weight, and enough passive energy.
Newton's concept, gravity - is unnecessary
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: aetzbar on 21/09/2017 07:40:38
Mass does not change to energy - the internal speed of the mass changes.
The internal speed range is 12C with a change of 0.7 percent
Every element has a unique internal speed.
  If the foundation is heavy, its internal speed is great,
If the element is light, its internal speed is small.
The differences of the inner velocity are tiny, and resemble the differences of pi
Here the new geometry connects with the new physics.
Title: Re: Asimple question ... looking for a brilliant answer
Post by: kazbert on 28/09/2017 00:20:09
OP:  Are you trying to differentiate between direct and indirect measurements?  Why does it matter if a scale is an indirect measurement of mass?  It works and it is useful for all practical purposes.