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My God is not omni- all but is limited
Please don't pretend to tell me what I think. Such arrogance is the mark of a Believer and is unbecoming to a gentleman.Humans have evolved as particularly collaborative and social animals. You might "overcome your programming" and live a solitary, disconnected life, but for most of us, society is fun and collaboration is more effective than adiabatic self-sufficiency. Empathy drives the social lubricant. As Dawkins pointed out, the only thing all religions have in common is that they teach you to despise all the others. And here we have the purest example: a theist having the unmitigated gall to tell another human what he thinks about his friends and family, simply because he doesn't share your bizarre superstition. If you want to be taken seriously, acquire some intellectual humility and scepticism.
Quote from: CliveG on 11/02/2020 13:20:01My God is not omni- all but is limited So, not actually God then.Why are you cluttering up someone else's thread about God with your personal nonsensical opinions?
Yes - God
But not the Ultimate Creator.
Why get upset about suffering of people and children? Surely, in your view, they and you are just a collection of unfeeling molecules
How does this assist in the international and religious cooperation that I have been saying is needed to reduce GLOBAL population without war?
And that is the weakness of atheism. It cannot explain the emergence of intelligence from nothing.
No name I know of for any of the gods/devils or angels/demons. Just know that is it highly likely they exist and can be dealt with. It may be that a Hindu has a separate reality to a Christian but I doubt it. Some small aspects could differ but when compared there will be not differences.If one prays for war and destruction then Satan by any name is similar to Shiva. No need for names except to direct a prayer or to discuss a common element. I prefer addressing God directly as "God". Not my lord or any other title. Hardly ever address Jesus directly but have on the odd occasion.Some people who see spirit see different ones. Gabriel might be one. I do not see spirits (only one when I was a teenager but I accept I might have seen shadows in the middle of the night).When I was a teenager a man got run over and killed at about midnight. His spirit came down the passage with heavy thumping feet and then heavy breathing into my bedroom. Excited at first, I chickened out and closed my eyes and stopped breathing while under the sheets. I had heard of a bloody apparition visiting my mother's sick friend.
Quote from: CliveG on 13/02/2020 05:26:16Yes - GodQuote from: CliveG on 13/02/2020 05:26:16But not the Ultimate Creator. Yeah, sure, OK.Quote from: CliveG on 13/02/2020 05:22:38Why get upset about suffering of people and children? Surely, in your view, they and you are just a collection of unfeeling moleculesFeeling is an emergent property.Your failure to understand that may, in part, explain why you spout so much nonsense.
Quote from: CliveG on 07/02/2020 15:33:13No name I know of for any of the gods/devils or angels/demons. Just know that is it highly likely they exist and can be dealt with. It may be that a Hindu has a separate reality to a Christian but I doubt it. Some small aspects could differ but when compared there will be not differences.If one prays for war and destruction then Satan by any name is similar to Shiva. No need for names except to direct a prayer or to discuss a common element. I prefer addressing God directly as "God". Not my lord or any other title. Hardly ever address Jesus directly but have on the odd occasion.Some people who see spirit see different ones. Gabriel might be one. I do not see spirits (only one when I was a teenager but I accept I might have seen shadows in the middle of the night).When I was a teenager a man got run over and killed at about midnight. His spirit came down the passage with heavy thumping feet and then heavy breathing into my bedroom. Excited at first, I chickened out and closed my eyes and stopped breathing while under the sheets. I had heard of a bloody apparition visiting my mother's sick friend.How do you determine that your god is the correct one?How do you determine that many other gods are the wrong ones?
(snip)It is in the essential nature of nations and religions to despise each other!(snip)One reason I enjoy science is that it transcends the boundaries erected by political and religious scum. The rainbow I see results from the same physics as the rainbow you see. But some old pervert tells me that the rainbow created by Allah is better than the one created by Jehova, so I have to kill you for believing otherwise and thus insulting Allah.
You are emoting based on false facts
Why get upset about suffering of people and children? Surely, in your view, they and you are just a collection of unfeeling molecules with no meaning to life
Tell me you can find the genetic sequence and alter it so that the deer runs into the tree because it thinks it is an escape route.
Why get upset about suffering of people and children? Surely, in your view, they and you are just a collection of unfeeling molecules with no meaning to life because it is simply an accident, why get upset?
Quote from: CliveG on 13/02/2020 16:40:41You are emoting based on false facts Says the man who posted this earlierQuote from: CliveG on 13/02/2020 05:22:38 Why get upset about suffering of people and children? Surely, in your view, they and you are just a collection of unfeeling molecules with no meaning to life
Quote from: CliveG on 13/02/2020 05:22:38Why get upset about suffering of people and children? Surely, in your view, they and you are just a collection of unfeeling molecules with no meaning to life because it is simply an accident, why get upset?This is a bizarre argument. Assuming that atheists are not p-zombies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie), they would be well aware that they have the capacity to suffer. As such, they should assume that other humans can suffer too. Even if individual molecules can't feel, human beings obviously can.
Quote from: CliveG on 13/02/2020 16:32:42Tell me you can find the genetic sequence and alter it so that the deer runs into the tree because it thinks it is an escape route.OK, how about altering the brain chemistry of mice so that they are no longer repelled by the smell of cat urine (which is normally an innate response)?Is that close enough to the idea of getting deer to run into trees?If not, please explain the essential difference.https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130918181110.htm
cat's fear center
. I have lots of personal proof
There is only one God who is good and does good. If one listens to the prophets and wise men whose teachings have endured you will find the common thread of Do Right and Do Good with the added Respect God. If you pray to any God (defined as a Higher Power) your prayer will get listened to. Whether it gets action is not predictable because we cannot know where the Game is taking us and are not privy to a full set of the rules.
Just how many Gods are there? Not many, once one eliminates the gods of mythology. The Hindu and Buddhist gods one sees in literature and the temple have attributes so praying to a God of Fertility is generally a good thing and it means that the One God will hear the prayer. A Hindu professor told me that Hinduism has One God only, and the various minor gods are just aspects of the One God. See how one can update a religion so as to be consistent with others?
If one prays to Jesus or a Saint they are intermediaries and ultimately the One God hears.
In a wild new experiment conducted on monkeys, scientists discovered that a tiny, but powerful area of the brain may enable consciousness: the central lateral thalamus. Activation of the central lateral thalamus and deep layers of the cerebral cortex drives pathways in the brain that carry information between the parietal and frontal lobe in the brain, the study suggests.This brain circuit works as a sort-of “engine for consciousness,” the researchers say, enabling conscious thought and feeling in primates.To zero in on this brain circuit, a scientific team put macaque monkeys under anesthesia, then stimulated different parts of their brain with electrodes at a frequency of 50 Hertz. Essentially, they zapped different areas of the brain and observed how the monkeys responded. When the central lateral thalamus was stimulated, the monkeys woke up and their brain function resumed — even though they were STILL UNDER ANESTHESIA. Seconds after the scientists switched off the stimulation, the monkeys went right back to sleep.This research was published Wednesday in the journal Neuron.“Science doesn’t often leave opportunity for exhilaration, but that’s what that moment was like for those of us who were in the room,” co-author Michelle Redinbaugh, a researcher at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, tells Inverse.