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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: cpu68 on 13/03/2023 11:12:02
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New theory of evolution
Applied by me conception derives from social theory,
similarly was in the case of C. R. Darwin which used
conception of T.R. Malthus when he was elaborating
conspectus of his theory in 1842. Earlier, in 2008 I
worked out a framework of theory of social evolution,
basing on logistic conception which was discovered by
P.F.Verhulst in 1838.
1. Biological evolution
The term evolution introduced to biology Charles de Bonnet, Swiss naturalist from XVIII c. A biological evolution we call process of transformations of organisms within many generations, both with reference to transformations of their construction as and functions. It leads from more simple forms to more complex and developed. Eleven billions years took evolution to reach biological phase, but only three to reach first primitive organisms, and only several hundred millions to reach high developed and later intelligent animals. It is rather sure that it is not only perspective delusion arising because of passing of time - like optical delusion when we see close objects more precisely than far. I think that this development can be described the best by so called Logistic development.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/e4/6c/HJwXvKoc_o.gif)
diagram 1. Logistic development
In 1972 J.S.Gould and N.Eldredge proposed new conception of evolution - arising of specieses called Punctuationalism. In this theory speciation, takes place very quickly in not large populations. Can last hundreds of years, what in scales of the geologic time counted in millions and hundreds of millions of years, has a punctual character. Sigmoid development describes exactly this conception, though hitherto was not at all considered its use in this intent.
In mathematics logistic development coupled is with Normal distribution model. Turns out that also this model, which founds some applications in different disciplines, has important meaning for biology. Simple plants and gymnosperms include above 150 thousands specieses, angiosperms above 250 t. specieses, fungi 1,5 mln, insects about 1 mln, primitive animals tens thousands, fishes 24,5 t., reptiles 13 t., birds 9350, mammals 4630. Moreover the same conception describes evolution on higher levels, Mega - whole biological evolution and Giga - three phases of gigaevolution - see diag 2. Gradual changes on these levels can - in a greater temporal scale - show differentiation. In reference to biological megaevolution logistic theory clearly illustrates and can explain so called "Cambrian explosion" (590-545 millions of years). It shows that development after achievement of certain critical level suddenly accelerates - see end of text - mechanism of evolutional processes.
2. Gigaevolution
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diagram 2. Gigaevolution
Quick biological phase was preceded by relatively stable astrophysicochemical phase. Attainment of relatively stable civilizational - psychosociocultural phase it takes hundreds years. Cosmological megaevolution was leading from primordial explosion - nb. logistic development is its perfect model to arising of matter. Physical from fundamental particles and interactions to atoms and chemical elements. Chemical from inorganic to organic compounds. Biological from simple cells to intelligent hominids. Civilizational megaevolution is leading from simple backward culture to complex cosmical culture. It consists of three main subprocesses connected with three types of civilization, dependently from their cosmic range:
- Type I, planetary, is connected with transition inside simple backward culture, about 10000 BC
- Type II, civilization which is entering in interplanetary space, is connected with transition from simple backward culture to complex scientific culture, present and future time
- Type III, which is entering in interstellar space, far future
Processes of gigaevolution and biological megaevolution possess common turning point, it was appearance of fish-amphibia similar to genus Ichthyostega (370 millions of years). According to mechanism of evolutional processes (see p.3) a limiting factor designating this turning point and developmental limits was environment - properties of environment. It designates framework both for mega as well as giga evolution.
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diagram 3. Ichthyostega.Turning point of whole evolution.
Conception of microevolution of Gould-Eldredge can get confirmation from the point of view of my theory of biomegaevolution, considering that evidences confirming its rightness seem to be more convincing than evidences in interest of Punctuationalism. Hitherto conception of Gould-Eldredge was treated harshly. There is not its in basic manuals from a scope of biology.
Logistic development can explain also a difference between a qualitative change and quantitative change. It shows that each kind of so called qualitative change, like for example liquefaction of gas, is just some form of quantitative change. Marxists are using conception of change where quantitative changes transform to qualitative change. But this idea is containing fundamental mistake that there is a difference between qualitative and quantitative change. One from subprocesses of sociomegaevolution we can see below. Primordial phase of development of civilization was backward, at present we are during transfer into scientific phase.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/77/ae/r9XgcrHy_o.gif)
diagram 4. Social development. You can also put a backward culture at the bottom of the curve and a technical culture at the top of the curve.
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Mechanism of described mega and giga evolutional processes is based on three rules:
(1) First predicates that no development cannot last endlessly.
(2) Second that unopposed development has autogenous tendency to self accelerating in compliance with simple rule of duplication or multiplication quantity of evolutional improvements - a model of this process can be sequence of numbers ...0.25, 0.5, 1, 2, 4, 8.... Simple organisms possess small quantity of adaptive and constructional solutions, multiplication their quantity does not bring through longer time greater results. Only after achievement of certain level of complication their multiplication effects with impetuous development. Similarily as duplication of small values does not bring through longer time greater effects, only after achievement of certain level appears impetuous increase.
(3) Third predicates that when self accelerating evolution meets limiting factors then begins more and more quickly slowdown, in compliance with simple rule of partition - which a model can be sequence of numbers ...8, 4, 2, 1, 0.5, 0.25.... Complex organisms possess huge quantity of adaptive and constructional solutions, and after achievement of certain level of complication further impetuous increasing of number of complications becomes impossible. They meet limiting factors, which more and more diminish quantity of evolutional improvements. Similarily as first partition of great values brings visible results, later partition of small values does not bring greater effects.
Gregory Podgorniak, Poland, year 2008
It can be assume that extinction events are connected clearly with logistic development. Each such event can mean a jump on higher level of evolution. For example last Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction event of reptilia tied in with transition on higher level of evolutional development and with a capture of environment by mammalia.
What I would like to emphasize is each so called qualitative change, for example the transition of water into ice, or steam into water, is actually a cumulative quantitative change; that is, a quantitative change taking place quickly over a short period of time. So there are no qualitative changes, only quantitative ones.
(year 2008)
Were it not for the fall of the meteorite 66 million years ago, intelligent reptiles would control the Earth now or in the future. I would add that since intelligent beings of the homo sapiens type have appeared on our planet, it can be expected that also other beings of this type will appear on other planets. In addition, these intelligent reptiles would also probably resemble homo sapiens. The hominidin type may not be uncommon in the cosmos, but there are probably other forms, often very strange ones.
(year 2020)
The validity of the theory of logistic development is supported by the social theory, where the same concept of development is successfully applied (see my text Sociological theory https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=86048.0 ).
(year 2022)
To what extent was the evolution process controlled? Supreme God or Goddess the Nothingness (see New religion of Nothingness, paragraph 5 ot text - https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=86048.0) and God the Father certainly participated in the process of evolution, gave it direction and made decisive moves at breakthrough moments in evolution. God the Father covers the entire cosmos, Nothingness so supereme God or Goddess covers much more. She and he creates life itself, the miracle of life, and she and he also created it on Earth, just as she and he initiated the process of creating intelligent forms. As for the breakthrough moments of evolution, in the key period of the evolution of reptiles, a large meteorite hit the Earth to lead to their extinction and to set evolution on new tracks, namely the tracks of mammalian evolution.
At some stage, the Son of the Father also participated in the process of evolution, which includes the planetary system, primarily the Earth and the Sun. Before the Son evolved into a human form, the Father was already at work, controlling the emergence of an intelligent species. In addition to the Nothingness, the Father, the Son, the spiritual sphere also participates in the evolution process, because individual spirits of various forms, rocks, plants, animals, people gradually evolve, which may influence the direction of genetic mutations in newly born forms in the sphere of hard, atomic matter.
Therefore, the correct concept of evolution should be a combination of the creationist concept with the classical theory of evolution, and should also take into account the evolution of the spiritual sphere.
In the future, we will probably move to extracorporeal reproduction in artificial conditions. For this purpose, one can imagine incubators with artificially grown biological tissue of the uterus, in which the development of the fetus could take place (on a similar principle, one can imagine the artificial cultivation of meat food). Such extracorporeal reproduction may be necessary due to the enlarged braincases of future superhuman species. With a significantly enlarged braincase, natural birth from the mother's womb may be too difficult or even impossible. Of course, it will be possible to use genetic engineering to control the expansion of the braincase. I will also add that the enlargement of the braincase should not be an unlimited or too far-reaching process, the braincase will be significantly larger compared to the current human species, but it will not be a superbrain, with a head the size of a meter or more. Such a limitation results from the possibility of movement of a given superhuman form, from the ability to keep the head on the neck or move the head, etc. Because for the normal development and life of a given intelligent form, whether a superhuman or some cosmic form, sensory stimuli are needed.
(year 2024)
about the author, My name is Gregory Podgorniak (brn. 01.1977, Szczecinek, West Pomerania, Poland). I am working on field of natural as well as social sciences. During philosophical studies at Adam Mickiewicz University in Poznan (1996-1999) I was actively act in student scientific organisation, got a scientific scholarship, and one from my articles titled Circulus vitiosus and fourfold petitio principii in the system of Descartes was published in Humanistic Drafts of Publishing House of Humaniora Foundation in Poznan, no. 6, 1998. Unfortunately certain fate events made impossible to me continuing studies to master's and later doctor's degree. Thence I was forced to be content only with a title of bachelor.
Thanks to deep and penetrating researchings I was able to establish indisputably some number of my past incarnations reaching of ancient period, these data are certain, these incarnations are: Auguste Comte (1798-1857) French philosopher and sociologist, Edme Mariotte (1620-1684) French physicist and meteorologist, Bodhidharma (5th or 6th century) buddhist patriarch, Aenesidemus (1 st century BC) Greek sceptical philosopher, Arcesilaus (315-241 BC) Greek sceptical philosopher, Gorgias (485-380 BC) Greek sophist.
email contact: podgorniakgre@gmail.com
my other threads on this forum:
New perspectives in physics - https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=85367.0
New theory of social evolution and social structure - https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=86048.0
Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons - https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=86090.0
How to raise your IQ, how to achieve higher IQ, how to get higher IQ ? - https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=86231.0
Photo of subtle body, photo of soul, photo of astral body - https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=86291.0
Newest Quantum Gravity and Theory of Everything, TOE - https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=86332.0
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Thanks to deep and penetrating researchings I was able to establish indisputably some number of my past incarnations reaching of ancient period
The current theory of evolution doesn't rely on made up magical thinking, so the current theory certainly seems better than your take.
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New theory of evolution
Not a theory.
Probably not new.
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It can be assume that extinction events are connected clearly with logistic development. Each such event can mean a jump on higher level of evolution. For example last Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction event of reptilia tied in with transition on higher level of evolutional development and with a capture of environment by mammalia.
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It can be assume that extinction events are connected clearly with logistic development.
What do you mean?Each such event can mean a jump on higher level of evolution.
What's a higher level of evolution supposed to mean?
For example last Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction event of reptilia tied in with transition on higher level of evolutional development and with a capture of environment by mammalia.
Nope.
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Here's how you are supposed to use S-curve to predict the future.
https://singularityhub.com/2016/04/05/how-to-think-exponentially-and-better-predict-the-future/
Kurzweil lists five computing paradigms in the 20th century: electromechanical, relay, vacuum tubes, discrete transistors, and integrated circuits. When one technology exhausted its potential, the next took over making more progress than its predecessors.
(https://singularityhub.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/individual-s-curve-progress-time-chart.jpg)
When the old S-curve starts to saturate, the newer S-curve overtakes.
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What I would like to emphasize is each so called qualitative change, for example the transition of water into ice, or steam into water, is actually a cumulative quantitative change; that is, a quantitative change taking place quickly over a short period of time.
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What I would like to emphasize is each so called qualitative change, for example the transition of water into ice, or steam into water, is actually a cumulative quantitative change; that is, a quantitative change taking place quickly over a short period of time.
Word salad.
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Were it not for the fall of the meteorite 66 million years ago, intelligent reptiles would control the Earth now or in the future. I would add that since intelligent beings of the homo sapiens type have appeared on our planet, it can be expected that also other beings of this type will appear on other planets. In addition, these intelligent reptiles would also probably resemble homo sapiens.
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I would add that since intelligent beings of the homo sapiens type have appeared on our planet, it can be expected that also other beings of this type will appear on other planets.
Non seq.
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Were it not for the fall of the meteorite 66 million years ago, intelligent reptiles would control the Earth now or in the future
That of course is wild speculation, based on the mistaken belief that evolution 'wants' to produce intelligent beings. Dinosaurs were around for 165 million years (230 million years if we include the avian dinosaurs) without evolving towards an advanced intelligence. Mammals have been on earth for 175 million years and it is only in the last 2 to 3 million years have they shown any advanced intelligence. It seems that animals with advanced intelligence is more of a fluke than a norm.
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The validity of the theory of logistic development is supported by the social theory, where the same concept of development is successfully applied (see my text Sociological theory https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=86048.0 (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=86048.0)).
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The validity of the theory of logistic development is supported by the social theory, where the same concept of development is successfully applied (see my text Sociological theory
You can't use a wild speculation that you made up to support another wild speculation that you made up. You need real evidence.
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Verhulst developed the logistic function based on research on modeling population growth, it was not used by him to describe evolution as it is in my theory
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What I would like to emphasize is that the presented theory is derived from social theory. First there was the social theory and then I used an analogous solution in the theory of biological evolution and gigaevolution.
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Your diagram on gigaevolution above shows as if memetic evolution happens slower than genetic evolution,
and eventually stops. Memetic evolution should run faster, simply because memes can replicate much faster than genes.
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...the presented theory is derived from social theory. First there was the social theory...
Is there any evidence that the "social theory" is correct?
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Memetic evolution should run faster
So called memes, if they exist at all, have no meaning.
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Memetic evolution should run faster
So called memes, if they exist at all, have no meaning.
They do.
noun
A unit of cultural information, such as a cultural practice or idea, that is transmitted verbally or by repeated action from one mind to another.
Any unit of culturalinformation, such as a practice or idea, that is transmittedverbally or by repeatedaction from one mind to another.
A self-propagating unit of cultural evolution having a resemblance to the gene (the unit of genetics).
A meme is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture and often carries symbolic meaning representing a particular phenomenon or theme.
It can be generalized to cover information transferred among AI models.
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They do.
ok, give an example of an evolving meme
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They do.
ok, give an example of an evolving meme
Christianity.
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My theory of evolution confirms Gould-Eldredge's concept of microevolution.
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My theory of evolution confirms Gould-Eldredge's concept of microevolution.
It's still not a theory.
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Thanks to deep and penetrating researchings I was able to establish indisputably some number of my past incarnations reaching of ancient period, these data are certain, these incarnations are: Auguste Comte (1798-1857) French philosopher and sociologist, Edme Mariotte (1620-1684) French physicist and meteorologist, Bodhidharma (5th or 6th century) buddhist patriarch, Aenesidemus (1 st century BC) Greek sceptical philosopher, Arcesilaus (315-241 BC) Greek sceptical philosopher, Gorgias (485-380 BC) Greek sophist.
ROFL
U r a Funny chap!
But I'm afraid U ain't tryin to be one.
Anyhow, Extraordinary claims, Extraordinary evidence.
Bodhidharma aka Daruma had 2 Specific Pets.
Surely you Remember what those Creatures were & what He named them.
Right?
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Processes of gigaevolution and biological megaevolution possess common turning point, it was appearance of fish-amphibia similar to genus Ichthyostega (370 millions of years, see image below).
(https://images2.imgbox.com/aa/23/6YZ4fFkH_o.gif)
diagram. Turning point of evolution - Ichthyostega
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What's the difference between gigaevolution and biological megaevolution possess ?
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What's the difference between gigaevolution and biological megaevolution possess ?
Gigaevolution encompasses cosmological, astronomical, physical, chemical, biological and cultural processes on the largest scale. Biological megaevolution encompasses biological processes on the largest scales.
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Gigaevolution encompasses cosmological, astronomical, physical, chemical, biological and cultural processes on the largest scale. Biological megaevolution encompasses biological processes on the largest scales
So these made up terms are the same thing as far as biological evolution is concerned. Why have two terms for the same thing, what ever that 'thing' is supposed to be.
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Gigaevolution encompasses cosmological, astronomical, physical, chemical, biological and cultural processes on the largest scale. Biological megaevolution encompasses biological processes on the largest scales
So these made up terms are the same thing as far as biological evolution is concerned. Why have two terms for the same thing, what ever that 'thing' is supposed to be.
He said that gigaevolution is not limited to biological process. In other words, it's the superset of biological process.
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He said that gigaevolution is not limited to biological process. In other words, it's the superset of biological process.
Of course, you are right Yusuf.
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Hitherto conception of Gould-Eldredge was treated harshly. There is not its in basic manuals from a scope of biology.
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There is not its in basic manuals from a scope of biology.
Well said!
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There are no qualitative changes, only quantitative ones.
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The logistic model can be applied to various levels of evolution, including the evolution of a species of intelligent forms.
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The problem is that the current theory of evolution is gradualistic and its graph may be an ascending straight line. I proposed a logistic model where a sigmoid curve is applicable at all levels of evolution.
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Welcome back @ cpu.
i was under the impression that You got Banned from TNS or sumthin.
(Hope you are doing Well?)
To be Honest...
I do Wish you get Banned.
I'd rather like to see you create Threads someplace Else, & then have them moved to a Trash Can section or something.
Instead of seeing you repeatedly being treated like trash in here.
ps - hope you are aware of the " Ignore & Block User " option available on the forum.
(u can ask Moderators for help too, They are mostly Helpful)
U tc now.
: )
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In the future, we will probably move to extracorporeal reproduction in artificial conditions. For this purpose, one can imagine incubators with artificially grown biological tissue of the uterus, in which the development of the fetus could take place (on a similar principle, one can imagine the artificial cultivation of meat food). Such extracorporeal reproduction may be necessary due to the enlarged braincases of future superhuman species. With a significantly enlarged braincase, natural birth from the mother's womb may be too difficult or even impossible. Of course, it will be possible to use genetic engineering to control the expansion of the braincase. I will also add that the enlargement of the braincase should not be an unlimited or too far-reaching process, the braincase will be significantly larger compared to the current human species, but it will not be a superbrain, with a head the size of a meter or more. Such a limitation results from the possibility of movement of a given superhuman form, from the ability to keep the head on the neck or move the head, etc. Because for the normal development and life of a given intelligent form, whether a superhuman or some cosmic form, sensory stimuli are needed.