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Just a suggestion, but your thesis would be easier to read if you broke up those huge paragraphs into many smaller paragraphs. This helps you and your audience, by giving smaller mouthfuls to chew and digest. If there is too much at once, you have to stuff your mouth and cannot swallow never mind digest.
One thing that is more significant than Darwinism is the religious and philosophical concepts of free will and choice. Darwinism will lead to natural selection, while choice and free will allows some room to deviate away from natural selection. This adds a wild card to the blend that is more than just random. It can also influence the selection process of Darwinism away from natural selection.
For example, in nature most animals are fit and trim and for the most part, they are immune to most local diseases This is based on selection over many generations. Humans, via choice, do not select the most fit but, rather devote more resources to the less fit and sick. This choice departs from natural selection and Darwinism. One result is now there are more people with allergies than ever before. This is not based on Darwinism.
Nature is real and its workings obey natural laws and the laws of science. This makes the environment casual and predictable for life. Humans, by choice, can lie and cheat, For example the Democrat party in the USA, substitutes fake news for truth, causing poor judgement calls not found in nature or natural selection. There is no other living species that routinely aborts itself by anti darwin criteria. Darwin chooses fitness, but abortion choose death to all. This has an impact on the future of the Darwinism potential, since these willful changes make natural selection deviate from natural.
With power and choice I can bodybuilder and change my physique away from what it should be, naturally, based on my DNA. The skinny 130 pound man can become 200 pounds of muscle. Left to its own devices my DNA and body would go back over time, However, with sustained will I can add something extra to my body that is not part of my natural genetic makeup. This can cause temporal selection via Darwinism, that may not be engrained in future genetics. It is a product of my willpower and when that is gone, what is driving the feign genetic potential also goes.
Presidential candidate Biden is suffering from dementia, yet the fake news and Hollywood is trying to create a faux image of a man in his prime who can lead the country. This pretend can temporally influence the expected Darwinian potential ,and lead it down the wrong road. All you need is enough dumb people to be fooled by this.
This is like going to a mating olympics, where the male animals are competing for dominance and breeding rights. We willfully take a diseased male, and inject him with pep pills, so he has enhanced performance for a few hours. This is long enough to fool the system. He gets to mate and pass forward second tier genetics as a substitute for natural selection.
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However, with sustained will I can add something extra to my body that is not part of my natural genetic makeup.
No.
Having a mechanism that allows you to alter your physique in accordance with the demands on your body is a genetically determined trait.are immune to most local diseases This is based on selection over many generation
Yes and no.
The evolution over the millennia (and more) gave them an immune system which let them become immune to infections.
They are not born with those immunities.
Presidential candidate Biden is suffering from dementia
Would you like to state your medical qualifications?
Or were you just posting more s**t you don't understand?All you need is enough dumb people to be fooled by this.
You need to work out which side is dumb enough to be fooled.
Four years on, has Trump got a single peso from Mexico to build his wall?
And yet, you think it's the other team's supporters who are the fooled.
You just keep on getting stuff wrong, don't you?
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social Darwinism
Is ,at best, discredited.
he goal of intelligent computers; IC, is to create a computer that can make choices apart from what is logically expected from its given programming
That's called a bug or a computer error.
Trump is an example of IC
In a way...
As far as former VP Biden, maybe his impairment is not technically called Dementia,
Apart from a stutter, I'm not aware of any impairment.
Would you like to clarify what you mean?
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Hollywood and Fake News is trying to run a scam,
Trump was elected on a battlecry of "build a wall" with the idea that Mexico would pay.
Having got in he lied about things as obvious as the size of the celebration parade.
There's no wall. Mexico hasn't paid a single peso.
How do you explain this?
My explanation is simple:
Trump is the one running a scam.
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There's no wall. Mexico hasn't paid a single peso.
How do you explain this?
My explanation is simple:
Trump is the one running a scam.
In a TV interview, the President of Mexico said "I no pay for your f***ing wall."
International politics is very simple.
Unlike national politics, where the people vote for Hillary Clinton and the electoral college confers the presidency on a lying, bankrupt, cowardly idiot. Or, in a previous election, the brother of one of the candidates counts the votes.
Yes, folks, it's all in the Constitution.
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here the people vote for Hillary Clinton and the electoral college confers the presidency on a lying, bankrupt, cowardly idiot. Or, in a previous election, the brother of one of the candidates counts the votes.
The really clever bit is where people point this out, but you convince your followers that it's "fake news" or some sort of conspiracy.
Then you convince them that they are the only ones clever enough to see that it's a conspiracy (and that the others are "sheeple" or "government shills " or whatever).
And presumably you hope to hell that none of them ever hears about the Emperor's new clothes.
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Hollywood and Fake News is trying to run a scam,
Trump was elected on a battlecry of "build a wall" with the idea that Mexico would pay.
Having got in he lied about things as obvious as the size of the celebration parade.
There's no wall. Mexico hasn't paid a single peso.
How do you explain this?
My explanation is simple:
Trump is the one running a scam.
You assume the wall Trump meant was at the US southern border. However, Mexico has made a wall with their military, to block their own southern border, so there is no mass migration from central and south America, northward, as there had been under Obama.
Mexico is paying for that southern southern "wall" in exchange for better trade status. Both walls have led to the same end result, with Mexico paying for one of the walls. Notice caravans of migrants no longer cross Mexico, nor reach the USA. Currently, migrants are almost exclusively younger males, traveling alone looking for work.
Don't let fake news frame reality for you. Think outside that box. The smaller frame being used is there to save face without having to rethink their propaganda.
In terms of the wall, some of the US-Mexico wall have been built in spite of the Democrats sabotaging at every step. Trump kept his promise, to the best of his ability, under the current circumstances. This is noticed by his base.
Like in sports if a player says he will score x-points in the game, and the other team fouls him and impedes his progress so he scores less, his effort and promise will be recalculated, based on the extra cheating and handicap. The math added up to a promise kept, because of the sabotage and cheating. It is still amazing he was able to build 300 miles of strategic wall under the full swamp press. Trump has guts and stamina.
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You assume the wall Trump meant was at the US southern border.
It is not my assumption, it's the lie he told.
Here's the proof...
"The Republican Party's 2012 platform stated that "The double-layered fencing on the border that was enacted by Congress in 2006, but never completed, must finally be built.""
Mexico has made a wall with their military, to block their own southern border, so there is no mass migration from central and south America, northward, as there had been under Obama.
No
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration_from_Mexico#Reasons_for_trend_reversal
Both walls have led to the same end result,
Neither wall exists.
Mexico is paying for that southern southern "wall"
No, they are not paying for a wall that is not there.
Currently, migrants are almost exclusively younger males, traveling alone looking for work.
They always were.
Don't let fake news frame reality for you.
I won't.
But you should consider tanking your own advice.
Trump kept his promise,
He promised a wall.
"The executive order, signed on January 25, 2017, calls for the construction of "a physical wall along the southern border" and defines wall as "a contiguous, physical wall or other similarly secure, contiguous, and impassable physical barrier.""
There is no wall.
This is noticed by his base.
No, it isn't.
Because he pretends that it has been built.
It is still amazing he was able to build 300 miles of strategic wall under the full swamp press.
"As of July 4, 2020, the length of border wall completed is 216 miles".
On the other hand, here's what Obama said about a wall.
"We have gone above and beyond what was requested by the very Republicans who said they supported broader reform as long as we got serious about enforcement. All the stuff they asked for, we've done. But ... I suspect there are still going to be some who are trying to move the goal posts on us one more time. They'll want want a higher fence. Maybe they'll need a moat. Maybe they want alligators in the moat.[a] They'll never be satisfied. And I understand that. That's politics."Trump has guts and stamina.
Possibly, but little brain, and no integrity.
He also did not have the majority of the vote.
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so there is no mass migration from central and south America, northward, as there had been under Obama.
If you look at the numbers, in 2000 there were 9 million from Mexico and roughly 2 million each from South America and Central America. (There were around 800,000 from Northern America too)
A wall at the other end of Mexico wouldn't make much difference to the USA, but it would help Mexico.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_immigration_statistics
You are the one who has swallowed the kool aid.
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so there is no mass migration from central and south America, northward, as there had been under Obama.
If you look at the numbers, in 2000 there were 9 million from Mexico and roughly 2 million each from South America and Central America. (There were around 800,000 from Northern America too)
A wall at the other end of Mexico wouldn't make much difference to the USA, but it would help Mexico.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_immigration_statistics
You are the one who has swallowed the kool aid.
Neither Obama or Trump were President in 2000. Apple are not oranges except in the world of fake news.
The original topic was, is there something more important than Darwinism? From the political bias and propaganda that has been written about immigration reform, natural selection is not in charge. The human brain and mind can exceed the sums of its genetic parts and can thereby create an alternate reality, where the rules of selection are defined by the humans, who are willing to spin and lie, apart from natural reality. This ability is true of humans, due to the humans having two centers of consciousness, one of which evolved recently and which can depart from natural. Fake news is a good example of spin, altering that is perceived to be true, so Darwinism cannot be followed.
For example, the president of the USA is the toughest job in the world. Now we have fake news and Holywood trying to prob up someone; Biden, who is not up to the job ,due to his age and his neural degeneration. Under the natural rules of Darwinism, he would not have fake news to misrepresent reality. The choices, the people on the left will make, may be based on emotional Darwinism, but their perception of reality has been altered by fake news, so the result can become unnatural to Darwinism.
We have plenty of data about the choices of Biden's leadership over this career. This not part of the current fake news data set. Biden is being reinvented, as though he was born again. This fools those who were already contaminated by previous misrepresentation indoctrination.
Remember the collusion delusion where fake news and the left create dan alternate reality, which now turns out was really connected to a projection from the left. Biden, Obama and Hillary were part of Russian collusion based on using a dossier from a proven Russian spy to spy and disrupt an enemy of Russia; USA.
The left is taught to use their hearts, which could be connected to natural selection. But since the brain is not engaged as well, they may make natural emotional choices, on bad intel, so the result feels right, but leads to unnatural reality.
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Neither Obama or Trump were President in 2000. Apple are not oranges except in the world of fake news.
The data is only collected every 10 years.
The best data available is not "fake news", is it?
The point remains, the immigration to the US from Mexico is bigger than from other countries.who are willing to spin and lie
That's certainly how Trump has got where he is.
Either he lied about making money or he lied about being nearly bankrupt.
Take your pick.
Biden, who is not up to the job ,due to his age and his neural degeneration.
Stop telling that lie.
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The left is taught to use their hearts, which could be connected to natural selection. But since the brain is not engaged as well, they may make natural emotional choices, on bad intel, so the result feels right, but leads to unnatural reality.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2009/07/09/section-4-scientists-politics-and-religion/
Most scientists are Left wing, yet you believe tripe like that.
I keep asking you for evidence, but you can't provide any, can you?
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How did this devolve into a debate about politics?
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How did this devolve into a debate about politics?
A republican told a lie.
Presidential candidate Biden is suffering from dementia
While utterly failing to grasp evolution,
With power and choice I can bodybuilder and change my physique away from what it should be, naturally, based on my DNA. The skinny 130 pound man can become 200 pounds of muscle.
And then,when asked to back it up, he doubled down on the lie.
As far as former VP Biden, maybe his impairment is not technically called Dementia, however, his will power and choice is being restricted by his current neural state, whatever it may be called today.
rather than actually providing evidence.
I understand that this process is referred to as a "gish gallop".
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For example, by all rational metrics Trump had one of the best economies of all time.
Minus thirty percent growth is not, by any rational metric, the best economy of all time.
Why would anyone even try to say that, especially on a science forum?
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For example, by all rational metrics Trump had one of the best economies of all time.
Minus thirty percent growth is not, by any rational metric, the best economy of all time.
Why would anyone even try to say that, especially on a science forum?
You knew I was talking about before the Corona Virus lockdown of the economy, but you had to misrepresent to perpetuate your sour attitude.
The basis for free will and choice is connected to the formation of memory. How this memory writing process works and how it can be tweaked, can make us natural or unnatural and thereby impact Darwinism in various ways.
When memory is formed, emotional tags are added to the sensory content of the memory. Our memory is binary and has both sensory content and emotional tags. This allow us to approach memory from the emotional side or the sensory content side; emotion versus reason. This tagging is why our strongest memories, in terms of recall, also have the strongest emotional valence tagging; marriage, birth of a child, graduation, first love, traumatic events, etc. We can dwell on the feelings, or think of the details, or do both.
An animal deals, via instinct, with natural sensory input that has been optimize in terms emotional tagging, through natural selection, since this maximizes survival. If a deer sees a wolf for the first time, it will feel fear, and the sensory input will become attached by this feeling, to form a first written memory. If the feeling of love, instead, was to become attached as the feeling, the deer will remember wrong snd will become food and not part of continuing evolution. Selection assures instinct induces fear for the proper tagging of the future.
Humans are different due to the inventions of spoken and written language. The animal is not as influenced by this secondary external inout beyond direct sensory reality. The bug in your ear or the text on the internet can alter how you think you should react to the stimulus, thereby altering natural tagging.
This can be assisted though the pressures of group think. In this case, being part of any group has its own emotional tagging based on instinctive social needs. This need can have a higher priority in terms of long term survival within culture. One may feel the need to compromise. The net affect is the improper tagging, of a detail, can be induced by group think. This type of tagging gives us will power apart from natural sensory instinct, even if it is based on unconscious impulse and is not consciously deliberate.
We can approach memory from either the emotional or sensory content side. I can feel hungry; feeling first, and start to see images of food in my imagination. Or I can see food real time; sensory first, and feel hungry. This is based on previous tagging. Both approaches work and both have uses. However, emotional first is far more limited in terms of assessing reality. The reason is there are only a relatively small number of emotional tags that are recycled and used over and over again. Whereas, sensory content has orders of magnitude more variety for a more detailed assessment. For example, the same feeling of hunger can be used to tag all the foods we have eaten in our life. Each particular food that satisfied under has lots of tiny details but only one emotion. My Spock from Star Trek would turn off his emotions to prevent being limited by emotional tagging, so he could look at the bulk details of the situation and compare this to his memory.
Emotion first has many uses, but it is not as useful for looking at reality, at any point in time. The reason is strong emotions will dredge up other unrelated memories, that were previously tag with the same emotion, but may not not connected to the task at hand, This can confuse the issue. For example, If I made you afraid, any memory with the fear tag could be dredged up and triggered. This is how the swamp approach Trumo in 2016. Trump fear was then attached to Hitler and Nuclear war, Putin and taking away Social Security. These memories all have the same recycled fear tag, with the initial trigger based on group think fear, and the need to belong. Feminization is about feeling first, which makes you an easier target for group think fear and illogical extrapolation from previous tagging.
Feeling first is naturally optimized for the mother, and is connected to maternal instinct and unconditional love. The mother feels instinctive love in the light of her new child. All her memories with the love tag become conscious or semi-conscious. She is not seeing only 100% real time reality, but also a lifetime of love memories within her child hopes and dreams, This aura of love endows her child with all her hope and joy. This love aura is good for the child's early tagging processes. The world is bright and easy. Her matenal love will not see the failures of her child as failure, since failure dies not have a love tag. However, it will soon get one via her unconditional love she feels.
The male and paternal love is more practical and prefers the sensory side memory, since an utopian feeing will not prevent the thieves from looting their barn. He will prefer stick to the sensory content of memory so he can struggle best in real time. Together, there is hope for the future.
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You knew I was talking about before the Corona Virus lockdown of the economy, but you had to misrepresent to perpetuate your sour attitude.
And you know that the catastrophic fall is due to Trumps (now very clearly) inappropriate response to the virus.
It's still largely his fault.
But... OK, lets see how he was doing before he screwed that up.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/188185/percent-change-from-preceding-period-in-real-gdp-in-the-us
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The best results were in Q2 and Q3 of 2014.
Under Obama.
So, once again.
Why tell the obvious lie?
Or are you such a sheep that you actually believe (in spite of the evidence of his tax returns) that he's a competent manager because that's what his press people say?
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Trump fear was then attached to Hitler
This was the man supporting white supremacists during the presidential debate.
Nobody else needs to attach Trump to Hitler; he does it himself.
You are just not looking at the real world.
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Trump fear was then attached to Hitler
This was the man supporting white supremacists during the presidential debate.
Nobody else needs to attach Trump to Hitler; he does it himself.
You are just not looking at the real world.
The Democrats and the left is the side promoting the racist doctrine of white guilt. According to this propaganda, anyone who is white and feels proud, like the proud boys, has be attached a negative memory tagging, during the creation of propaganda memory. How can anyone feel guilty and be proud? Trump is not going along with the leftist one size fits all brainwash, and he could not be manipulated to reinforce the scam. This is healthy for everyone.
Only a racist will judge an entire race by a double standard that does not apply to all. If the proud boys were black or gay this would be OK; the dual standard of racism. This one size fits all dual standand of racism has been tainted with emotional tagging manipulation via propaganda and group think. Now people on the left can be unnatural and irrational and feel normal; will power.
This type of tagging does not violate neurobiology since memory can be induced this way. This is the power of subjectivity. But it can lead to unnatural behavior which can come in conflict with natural instinct. This divides the ego from the inner self,allowing the ego to go renegade against natural selection.
Anyone remember the collusion delusion? This had to be the largest scale brain wash in the history of America. The left was most ripe for this scam, since the foundation had been laid and unnatural was already engrained in their modified memory. One needs to be self awareness to withstand the manipulation. This is rare in modern times.
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The Democrats and the left is the side promoting the racist doctrine of white guilt.
You seem to have based your whole pots on that idea.
But the claim simply is not true.
Just like this lie you told earlier.
Presidential candidate Biden is suffering from dementia
If you don't want to be called a liar you need to stop lying.
You lied about Biden, you lied about the economy, you lied about what "the Democrats and the left " promote.
Why do you feel this need to lie, lie and lie again?
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Are we going to get back on topic soon, or am I going to have to split this thread?
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We willfully take a diseased male, and inject him with pep pills, so he has enhanced performance for a few hours.
Your premonition was correct! Dexamethasone has reanimated the scumbag, maybe for long enough for the electoral college to ignore the people's vote once again.
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Further evidence of the "wisdom" of Trump
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/07/us/politics/trump-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine.html