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Quote from: duffyd on 07/05/2020 10:12:26Would you list examples that demonstrate the difficulties they had as non-Christians?Let's begin with the difficulty of being the wrong sort of Christian in Northern Ireland, and work back through history. But I don't have time to list all the expulsions and pogroms that form the proud history of that spurious excuse for obnoxious behavior.HoweverQuotePrincess Diana’s mother, Frances Shand Kydd, was Jewish — born Frances Ruth Burke Roche, a Rothschild. If factual, that would be sufficient for Princess Diana to be certified Jewish, as well as her son, William, the future King of England.and he's a nice guy, too.
Would you list examples that demonstrate the difficulties they had as non-Christians?
Princess Diana’s mother, Frances Shand Kydd, was Jewish — born Frances Ruth Burke Roche, a Rothschild. If factual, that would be sufficient for Princess Diana to be certified Jewish, as well as her son, William, the future King of England.
What is the wrong kind of Christian?
I do not know, but jesus cried out on the cross, anyone who tells you that 'having faith' and 'that its possible', get them to explain why god (or prophet imbued with divine power)clothed in human flesh, did so sucuumb to his mortal fallable biological weakness. He could have run to timbuktu, point is Jeeeezzzusssss wernt up to it.
Quote from: duffyd on 07/05/2020 15:46:24What is the wrong kind of Christian? If you are a Protestant knuckledragging criminal, it's a Catholic. And vice versa. Or, if you go back a bit in history, a Quaker, or a member of any of the Brethren sects. And of course anyone who uses the term "real Christians" despises everyone else. It's just gang warfare in the name of Jesus. Still, it's healthier than pogroms, crusades and inquisitions for the rest of us.
We are not allowed to evangelize as you know, so, we cannot honor your desire to, "get them to explain why god (or prophet imbued with divine power)clothed in human flesh, did so sucuumb to his mortal fallable biological weakness." We must remain silent, even against your wishes.
Quote from: duffyd on 08/05/2020 01:39:04We are not allowed to evangelize as you know, so, we cannot honor your desire to, "get them to explain why god (or prophet imbued with divine power)clothed in human flesh, did so sucuumb to his mortal fallable biological weakness." We must remain silent, even against your wishes.You don’t have to evangelise or preach to answer this.
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 07/05/2020 21:44:23I do not know, but jesus cried out on the cross, anyone who tells you that 'having faith' and 'that its possible', get them to explain why god (or prophet imbued with divine power)clothed in human flesh, did so sucuumb to his mortal fallable biological weakness. He could have run to timbuktu, point is Jeeeezzzusssss wernt up to it.This crying out has caused a great deal of discussion in theological circles. If you start from the assumption that Jesus was God, then you have to accept that he knew what was going to happen and went through with it in order to fulfil the prophecies in the OT and to start the whole Christianity on its way. The crying out is from Psalm 22 so is a direct reference to OT and its prophecies. Albert Schweitzer thought that Jesus died in disillusionment, that he had spent his ministry expecting God to bring the kingdom of God directly through Jesus' ministry, and God did not do it. Schweitzer believed that Jesus allowed himself to be arrested and led right to execution expecting that God was going to rescue him at the last moment. That assumes a separation between God and Jesus which can tie theologians in knots.
I'd feel a little bit cheated to be honest with you given that he was apparently divine, I may well have asked for my money back.
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 19/01/1970 10:22:31I'd feel a little bit cheated to be honest with you given that he was apparently divine, I may well have asked for my money back. The problem is that none of this navel gazing answers the title of the topic. Unless someone was there with an eeg or brain scanner you will never know. Bit of a pointless topic for a science site.
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Known fact: Crucifixion is fatal if you leave the victim there long enough.
There's no urgency in removing the victim. Indeed the report of a soldier poking him with a spear suggests that he was indeed dead before removal. The Romans were pretty thorough at killing people. There would have been little point in subsequently removing the body from the tomb otherwise."When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras".
There would have been little point in subsequently removing the body from the tomb otherwise."When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras".
"When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras".