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Non Life Sciences => Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology => Topic started by: Zer0 on 26/03/2021 12:18:28
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Hello All!
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I have a bunch of Orthodox questions that i Think & Feel i already know the answers to...
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But Considering the Fact that I'm a Layman when it comes to Science..
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Maybe, Just maybe my personal viewpoints might Not be scientifically based or have poor & weak & Falsified & Fabricated evidental Claims.
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Hence without any further Delay, here is The First One -
As the Moon is connected with Tidal effects onto the Earth...
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I wish to know, do or would Tidal effects also affect a Glass of Water?
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(A common ordinary sized glass of water)
Interconnected...
Considering the human body is said to be approximately 60% Water on an Average..Can or Will or Does the Moon in anyway Affect it?
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Does the Water in the glass or inside off of Us Rise???
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(Does it Rise even like a say 0.001%)
P.S. - I Believe the Total Mass of the Oceans is interconnected & much higher in comparison to a simple glass of water hence the water in the glass shall Not overflow or rise up.
& I also Believe, thru personal self experience that during tidal hours i do Not feel Pukish or even the need to Pee more than usual.
Hence, i canNot feel any biological changes within myself in relation to the Water content in my body VS the Tidal effects of the Moon!
(But if the Tidal effect has even a miniscule 0.001% affect, i would like my Beliefs to be corrected & rectified)
Thank You!
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(I Request All responders to state simple evidence based factual proofs if possible)
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The moon doesn't just pull on water, it pulls on everything! If you were to weigh yourself on a very precise scale, you might notice that you weigh ever so slightly less when the moon (and/or sun) is directly overhead (or directly under your feet!). I can't put any numbers on this since it depends on so many things (like your latitude and altitude, the relative positions of both the moon and sun), but thee effect is small.
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As the Moon is connected with Tidal effects onto the Earth...
I wish to know, do or would Tidal effects also affect a Glass of Water?
Imperceptibly, but yes. As chiralSPO points out, it is not just selective to water since it is a gravitational effect. It thus deforms Earth's crust and bends trees and such.
Considering the human body is said to be approximately 60% Water on an Average..Can or Will or Does the Moon in anyway Affect it?
It has to do with mass, and yes, tidal effects have a trivial effect on any extended object like people. An object the size of a person in freefall will tend to align itself vertically due to tidal effects. It would take quite some time. On the ground, weight is the primary measurable difference.
Does the Water in the glass or inside off of Us Rise?
No, but the surface would not be a perfect segment of a sphere centered on Earth. Tides do not create more water, so the water in the glass cannot rise unless the tides are so strong as to suck it clean out of the glass.
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There will be a point somewhere between the centre of the earth and the centre of the moon where the gravitational fields cancel out. If this cancellation was at or below the surface of a celestial body then objects would be drawn from its surface. The matter would be accreted by the other celestial body. This is an extreme example of tidal effects.
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There will be a point somewhere between the centre of the earth and the centre of the moon where the gravitational fields cancel out. If this cancellation was at or below the surface of a celestial body then objects would be drawn from its surface. The matter would be accreted by the other celestial body. This is an extreme example of tidal effects.
The orbiting thing will break up well before this point where the two gravitational fields cancel out. It's called the Roche limit, and Phobos is already approaching the Roche limit of Mars and is beginning to break up. The matter will cease to be bound by gravity and will orbit the planet as rings without any significant portion of it actually falling to the planet below.
The Roche limit occurs when tidal stresses exceed the graviational binding of an object. Spaghettification occurs when tidal stresses exceed EM binding of an object, so a human passing the Roche limit of Earth (over 18,000 km up) is in no danger of being torn apart by tidal forces. But nothing below that 18,000 km can hold itself together with just its own gravity.
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Does the Water in the glass or inside off of Us Rise??? (Does it Rise even like a say 0.001%)
The tidal effect of the Moon on Earth's surface gravity is around 1 in 107. The Sun's effect is about half as big.
If you are standing on a set of bathroom scales (which is calibrated to measure force):
- They aren't sensitive enough to measure a change in force of 1 part in 107. But even if they were sensitive enough...
- If I read the equations correctly (see link below), the tidal force on Earth's surface is proportional to GΔr/R3
- Where R is the distance between the centers of Moon and Earth (for example), or 384,000 km
- And Δr is how far you are from the center of the Earth (ie the Earth's radius, if you are standing on the ground, or 6370km)
- G is Newton's Gravitational Constant
But the set of scales is attracted to the Moon by the same tidal forces as you are.
- If you are standing on scales, what matters is the change in tidal force between the center of the scales and the center of you (let's say this difference in height is 1 meter)
- Let's say Δrs is the distance of the center of the scales from the center of the Earth, or 6370km
- Let's say Δrh is the distance of the center of the human from the center of the Earth, or 6370.001km
- The difference between these is G(Δrs - Δrh)/R3
- Or about 1 part in 15 million of the normal gravitational acceleration due to the Moon, or about 10-13 of Earth's surface gravity.
When you look at a cup full of water, the center of the water is about the same distance from the center of the Earth as the center of the cup. So the Tidal force on both are equal, and the water in the cup does not rise at all, relative to the cup.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_force
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Wasn't expecting soo many responses, & that too so quickly...Waao!
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(The Quantity & Quality is much Appreciated, Thanks All)
So to Conclude...
My " Beliefs " stand Rectified!
The Sun, The Earth & The Moon...All are interconnected & Hence do Affect each other in relation to Gravitational Effects.
(Including Whatever else there is on their respective surfaces)
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Even thou there might be Cancellations of forces, or of Miniscule scales...They Still do Affect each other.
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" But Obvious " for Me right since the beginning of this OP)
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Now...
To be Honest..
Reason i requested for a consensus was because i came across a group/cult of people " Claiming " that during Tidal hours their physical bodies undergo a sort of spiritual upliftment process which makes them reach a state of blissful exhuberance from within.
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I Obviously did Not digest that well...hence i Questioned how the heck does a glass of water or the human body could be physically affected.
(But Now i Know for a Fact, it's all Interconnected)
So...my Loss & their Gain!
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Coz now evidental proofs side by them.
IMHO, terms such as Soul, Spirit & GOD do Not belong on a Scientific Forum.
& Claims like " Upliftment of Spiritual levels to an exhuberance state of blissful existence " is a load of pure & sheer BS!
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But I won't & I can't Debate with them anymore, cuz facts side by them.
I now feel it is a classic case of a
" Placebo Effect "
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" Knowing Reality "
A poor analogy is all i have in elaboration :-
One evening, Someone was bitten by a Snake, started shivering & trembling due to Fear.
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Wasn't rushed to the hospital as did not believe even a bit in medical science & considered all modern medicines to be a bunch of hoax,
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Instead was taken to a Goddess temple n was laid to rest all night next to the idol, due to stern strong extreme faith of the individual in the Diety who was the Giver & Taker of Life.
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As dawn arose, the individual got up, smiled & offered prayers n left...Still Alive & completely well off.
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Two different birds resting on separate tree branches of the same Tree of Knowledge, watched the whole phenomenon unfold from evening till dawn...
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The Smarty Sparrow thought to itself, & tweeted...
" Now, this is a Classical Placebo Effect "!
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While the Wise Owl kept utterly silent...
Knowing it was a smooth green grass snake.
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P.S. - If any of you who participated or Others who did not would wish to make any comments, plz do go ahead.
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I shall be asking another question shortly, but after a brief pause.
(Thank You All once again for All your illuminating inputs)
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To answer the question directly, yes. Capricornians are physically, intellectually and morally superior to all other beings. And, given the extent of that superiority, remarkably modest about it.
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He heh heeh!
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I've never been good at telling or spotting " Sarcasm "...
Thank You Alan for Helping to stem the tide of silly Ignorance.
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& Thanks again for that Brilliant content...i shall definitely zero in on it in this OP.
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P.S. - " Even the most Obstinately Ignorant, Cannot Avoid Learning, when in an Environment that Educates ".
Jeffrey!
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Okay...break over...next Question...
Related to the Effects of the Moon on Mentally Unstable Individuals.
Most Laymen & Laywomen & even certain Educated Professional Mental Health Experts & Psychiatrists hold an idea that the Full Moon Affects the human Mind/Brain in some Negative manner.
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I Believe that, maybe having a slightly bright illuminating ball in the night sky might scare or perhaps make the mentally unstable a bit irked, but cannot think or rather do not know of any other possibility of how that might affect individuals.
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Personally, i could never differentiate between a full moon n no moon night...
I Observed my pattern of thoughts & thinking & dreams...then got up n searched for the moon...but Always missed out on Predicting what moon night it might be...
I Simply could Not achieve that result for myself.
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Yes i do Understand that having a nice candle light dinner under a full moon seems romantic n all n that does create positive n nice feelings for folks.
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But the Way in which certain Groups/Cults of people define the phenomenon in their own ways of personal beliefs...like the mad goin even madder...the crazy goin even kraazier...or high possibility of suicide rates goin up...n dogs & wolves howling alot...n even some folks turning into wolverines.
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I Believe All the Above is Pure Crap!
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Hence, to clear out confusions for my Ownself, & to have my personal belief Corrected & Rectified...
May i Please Request for a consensus of sorts, Thank You!
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P.S. - Does a Full Moon affect the Mentally Ill in a Negative manner?
& If ' Yes ' , is there any evidental factual data to support the claims?
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(Honestly, it's just the Reflection that keeps increasing & decreasing...every night is a full moon night...Right?)
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the Effects of the Moon on Mentally Unstable Individuals.
This is the origin of the word "Lunatic" = "person made mad by the Moon (Luna)"
In traditional societies (no artificial lights indoors, no outside street lighting), a full or near-full Moon allows more outdoor activities after sunset.
- If someone were marginally sleep-deprived, a few hours of extra activity by Moonlight might push them into severe sleep deprivation, and perhaps bizarre behavior (if they had a predisposition).
But in modern societies, with indoor lighting at the click of a switch, and brightly-lit cities, the Moon is almost lost in the glare.
- We have cities that are open 24 hours per day, and streaming media sites with 10000 hours of content every day.
- Many people are chronically sleep-deprived
- So I think that there may be many lunatics in our cities, and not just on a full Moon!
For some history and etymology of Lunatic, listen (16 minutes):
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/science-diction/articles/lunacy-mind-control-from-the-sky