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Title: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: remotemass on 11/03/2021 16:38:36
Here is an idea, it would be a simple surgery, you could insert the different pieces of the device with endoscopy in a very non-invasive way. Once inside the stomach, it could stay there for many years because the material would be ideal for that. Maybe a tiny mechanical device would make it inflate on the outside layer leaving it empty inside. It would be inserted through the mouth with endoscopy and it would expand like an origami becoming the size of a tennis ball, pretty much empty inside with small blades for blending (plated with gold or made of porcelain) with very sharp edges, maybe. It would be charged by induction like a pacemaker.

When you ate you would also drink a lot of water. The "ball" would then open holes for food to be sucked to the inside, then close the holes blend it all till all the food became liquified food, and repeat the process until 100% of the food in your stomach became all liquified. Then it would work like well-known "Aspire Bariatrics" to suck the food out of your stomach with a hole in your belly or the so-called "tennis ball" could have a tube all over your intestine and suck it all out without digesting the food. Maybe I should patent it before someone does it. Maybe you could eat a lot and only 5-10% of the food would actually be digested and assimilated. Also, you would do it after 20 minutes of eating so that some nutrients could be absorbed and digestion is partly done as normal.

I know it sounds odd and bizarre. But there are already artificial hearts approved by the FDA, so even if this sounds a ridiculous idea it might prove feasible and save millions of people from premature death, which cannot help themselves in an orthodox way.

Many people find this a disgusting idea but could save millions of people from premature death, in a quite non-invasive way.
Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: Bored chemist on 11/03/2021 18:30:12
with endoscopy in a very non-invasive way.
You haven't had an endoscopy, have you?
Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: alancalverd on 11/03/2021 23:35:30
So you'd have to modify your eating habits anyway, to take on enough water for the process to work. Why not just turn down the thermostat, eat a high-bulk diet, and enjoy life?

More premature deaths are caused by starvation than by a normal diet. Overeating is a conscious choice that is not available to everyone. Why interfere in the lives of the privileged? 
Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: charles1948 on 12/03/2021 22:36:18
So you'd have to modify your eating habits anyway, to take on enough water for the process to work. Why not just turn down the thermostat, eat a high-bulk diet, and enjoy life?

More premature deaths are caused by starvation than by a normal diet. Overeating is a conscious choice that is not available to everyone. Why interfere in the lives of the privileged?

When you eat food, it's swallowed through your mouth, goes down your throat, and is deposited in your stomach.

The stomach then carries out a process of "digestion". Which is essentially a chemical separation of the useful parts of the food, from the non-useful parts.  This "digestion" results in two outcomes:

1. The non-useful parts, get forcefully shoved out of your body, via a smelly and extremely humiliating process.

2. The useful parts, get more gently retained by your body, and quietly released into your blood.  Which then circulates around your body, supplying vitamins, essential minerals, and all other nutrients, to your various bodily organs. Such as heart, and brain. So keeping you alive.

Now, I've no objection to outcome 2.  But outcome 1, the excretion bit, seems quite offensive, and an insult to human dignity.

Couldn't we remove this insult, by dispensing with the digestive stomach.  Replacing its functions, by putting vitamins, minerals, and so on, directly into our blood, through injections by needles.

So that instead of having to eat and messily excrete "food" each day, we'd just have a clean daily jab of nutriments.

What possible objections can there be to this idea?










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Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: alancalverd on 12/03/2021 23:03:13
You surely aren't suggesting that the fragrant Duchess of Sussex does anything that is an insult to dignity?
Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: remotemass on 12/03/2021 23:19:49
The idea behind "Aspire Bariatrics" is that you lose a lot of weight without the sacrifice of having to eat much less.
My idea is to increase the liquefication of food to make it easy to get that food out.
It has been scientifically proved that people in group A eating exactly the same food as people in group B, will have less weight at the end of the experiment if the food in group A is blended and liquified.
Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: Bored chemist on 12/03/2021 23:26:47
It has been scientifically proved that ...
Where?
Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: charles1948 on 12/03/2021 23:37:09
You surely aren't suggesting that the fragrant Duchess of Sussex does anything that is an insult to dignity?

Your post reminds me of a quote from Swift.  I can't be bothered to look it up, but from memory, it goes something like:

No wonder how I lost my wits
Ah Celia, Celia, Celia - sh*ts!

Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: alancalverd on 13/03/2021 07:06:52
My idea is to increase the liquefication of food to make it easy to get that food out.
It has been scientifically proved that people in group A eating exactly the same food as people in group B, will have less weight at the end of the experiment if the food in group A is blended and liquified.

Which is exactly the opposite of what you claim. If liquefaction improves nutrient uptake (which it does, which is why the digestive system begins with crushing and grinding) than those on a liquefied diet will gain more weight. Which, strangely enough, is why emergency feeding regimens are based on liquids, not solids.
Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: remotemass on 16/03/2021 19:57:21
Thinking better maybe a 'platonic solid' form would work better to fold and unfold like origami.
With faces having diaphragms like those in old-fashioned photographic cameras.
Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/03/2021 20:12:09
Thinking better maybe a 'platonic solid' form would work better to fold and unfold like origami.
With faces having diaphragms like those in old-fashioned photographic cameras.
Given that Alan has explained why your idea will not work, why are you wondering what shape to make it?
Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: remotemass on 16/03/2021 20:16:13
'Aspire Bariatrics' works wonders, already. This idea of mine is just an improvement of it.
Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: Bored chemist on 16/03/2021 20:29:09
'Aspire Bariatrics' works wonders, already. This idea of mine is just an improvement of it.
You seem to have missed the point of that technique.
It's the  surgically implanted pipe from the stomach that lets you drain some of your food straight down the toilet which is responsible for weight loss.

Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: remotemass on 16/03/2021 21:29:08
Yes, I know, but it doesn't work well with all types of solid foods, like fries, for instance. They get stuck in the pipe/tube.
Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: remotemass on 22/03/2021 09:50:02
Here is a video explaining how 'AspireAssist' works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0Gb6389Um4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0Gb6389Um4)

Just to clarify.
Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: Bored chemist on 22/03/2021 11:13:32
Yes, I know, but it doesn't work well with all types of solid foods, like fries, for instance. They get stuck in the pipe/tube.
I don't know about you, but given the choice between minor surgery and learning to chew my food properly, I know which I would go for.

The point remains, without the pipe to remove some of the food you eat, that food will be digested and absorbed and, in essence, make you fat.
Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: alancalverd on 22/03/2021 12:06:25
You surely aren't suggesting that the fragrant Duchess of Sussex does anything that is an insult to dignity?

Your post reminds me of a quote from Swift.  I can't be bothered to look it up, but from memory, it goes something like:

No wonder how I lost my wits
Ah Celia, Celia, Celia - sh*ts!


I sat next to the duchess at tea
Her rumbles abdominal
were something abomnia'l
And everyone thought it was me.
Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: Bored chemist on 22/03/2021 13:33:37
I sat next to the duchess at tea
Her rumbles abdominal
were something abomnia'l
And everyone thought it was me.
Call me traditionalist, but I preferred the version as a limerick.

I sat with the duchess at tea
It was not as I'd thought it would be
Her rumblings, abdominal
were something phenomenal.
and everyone thought it was me.
Title: Re: Could this save millions of people from premature death and help w/ weight loss
Post by: Zer0 on 26/03/2021 08:34:43
'Aspire Bariatrics' works wonders, already. This idea of mine is just an improvement of it.

Hello @remotemass
🙂

Honestly, i was Not aware of something like Aspire Bariatrics.
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& The " AspireAssist " video was sorts of an eye widener.

Perhaps not Everyone would be comfortable in placing a really small juicer mixer grinder inside their tummies.
😑
(Electronic induction motor & sharp blades n all)

You might have to start from scratch again n redesign & restrategise.
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P.S. - To be frank, eating less seems to be the best strategy possible.
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