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Just Chat! / Now that ISIS is defeated, perhaps migrants can return to their homes?
« on: 07/07/2017 17:04:30 »
Now that ISIS has been defeated, perhaps the migrants who fled in droves, with rebuilding supports, can return to their homes. Or perhaps after Syria has become stable.
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Just Chat! / Re: Nazi hate label, "Jude" and todays homophobes, bigots, Muslims and Sikhs?
« on: 28/06/2017 15:41:51 »
In Germany in such as 1938, Jude was a normal word, a name used to label that group of people, and for them to be targeted with actions of hate.

I appreciate that Christians in general are not hated, but if we hold our traditions, and that is essential to be Christian, then a group of protesters, a large number, hate us. They call us homophobes and bigots, which is inaccurate. I know two people with same sex attraction who let people know. I don't mind, but if it means I could lose my freedom, then I respond. Also, in high school I was a victim of some aggressive biguys. It spoiled some of my time at school, stressed me out and led to illness. This was followed by me coming to fear dying  so I turned to God in a big way. I forgave them.

In Church history there was a foretold corruption Paul the apostle called the doctrine of demons, that is why the religious in Europe got a marred name. They were cruel and used pagan Rome era punishment and other such evil. The Knights were a remnant of that that can cause us when young, to admire something of the false teaching, before we come back to simple grace. Religion has been a powerful effector in my life. Without it I was just cold and into war movies and the RAAF and USAF. It is sad when religion looking for compassion and kindness instead leads to rejection. I fear rejecting people.

One of my friends who lectures at universities is a bit more open minded than agnostic and is gentle but thinks there is no need for same sex marriage. He is a retirement age man.

"Rights and freedoms are TO BE written into the AUSTRALIAN constitution." I correct my obscure statement which is a suggested solution.

When a Christian speaks against same sex marriage in Australia, others will activate and call them homophobes and bigots. Bigot comes from the French word for hypocrite. It is a derogatory term.

I my OP I mention my view is centre, others are conservative, others still are liberal, and openly allow for same sex marriage in their churches. I see that some people something like me as Christians, we see thing similarly.
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Just Chat! / Re: There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
« on: 15/07/2016 13:51:55 »
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Just because they did things you don't like doesn't make them non-Christian.
They no longer prayed to or worshipped the Holy Trinity in Nazism. Hitler wished for sake of persuasion to his cause, that Germany was Islamic. From Mein Kampf. He hated the conscience of Jews and Christians. I saw the translation of one of his speeches. Nazism rejected Christianity, and the periphery, JWs...

If Christians don't like something, it could be that it rejects Christ's qualities, love, compassion, conscience, truth. Then it is not Christian.
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Just Chat! / Re: There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
« on: 15/07/2016 04:16:21 »
Quote from: PhysBang on 14/07/2016 15:02:59
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 14/07/2016 13:26:37
Einstein was a great scientist and called upon to be a strategist, thankfully he rejected Nazism and worked for the USA, but he invented with his team, the first atomic bomb and advocated it's use.

Great at reason, it is said he did not believe in a god behind the universe. But he worked for WW2's biggest war machine, on the Christian nation's side.
Are you saying that Einstein worked for Germany? They were likely the most Christian nation at the time, since they actively persecuted non-Christian faiths.

The Christian nations would be the USA, Ireland, Poland, all of Europe, but for Germany, who burned their Bibles, renounced the Christian faith in favour of bringing in their own third reign. They only kept some Gospels to criticize the Jews and to persuade Christians to turn.
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Just Chat! / Re: There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
« on: 13/07/2016 16:04:08 »
Quote from: IAMREALITY on 29/06/2016 17:16:25
Thank the flying spaghetti monster for people like Dawkins, who are not afraid to speak out about the evils of religion and who actively try and help eradicate it from this earth; being that religion itself is probably human kind's greatest ignorance, shortcoming, and destructive force.

Human nature is behind the evils of history. Look at the 20th century, a secular century, and industrial scale WW1, WW2 and almost WW3. Vietnam, the middle east...

For some of us Genesis is not looked to as the explanation for everything, with science as the alternate, we just don't have faith as a means to justify where all things came from. We instead have the revelation of Christ, and all other Biblical matters through Him. And hundreds of millions of us have experienced Christ as a presence and received Him. And then comes glossolalia... I have experienced that and other things and seen events at the pulpit live.

When we have spiritual encounters with the benevolent, we have a knowing that fits in with faith rather than the empirical. It is a revelation of God. Following this those people try to sustain a higher standard and go for more. Then that latter is religion. Then further their children not having a spiritual high have like a secondary religion...

In the 1980s I heard there were hundreds of millions of people who said they received Christ and some glossolalia... This generation of westerners are materialistic, pleasure loving and love irreverent humour. Also there is mocking of open mindedness and irrationality and supernatural experience. People think all we have, we got by war, or we could have gained all this material, and knowledge and good will, just with philosophy... I don't agree with it.

Not all religion is true and benevolent like that which comes from Christ. And the children can take it to extremes. They get it wrong, folly or extremism.

Jesus Christ is the answer to human nature, not the problem. And there are unclean spirits.

The west was once very Christian. People like Wilberforce abolishing slavery, cruelty to animals, and providing free education, before socialism were Christian heroes. It injected benevolence into human nature and culture.

Now it is that the missionaries from the west, made converts in other countries through evangelism, which was thankfully revived after Martin Luther. It was all too suppressed before. Now the majority of Christians are in Brazil, India, China, Korea and Africa. And Eastern Europe is taking up the faith again.

The experiencing of God's presence and power, the being spiritual is more important than religion, and I think it will always re-appear.
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