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General Discussion & Feedback => Just Chat! => Topic started by: paul cotter on 12/10/2022 19:35:20
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Lately some of the nonsense in the subforum is mind-blowing crazy. Or am I just getting too old?
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You're just new. New Theories has had crazy stuff in it for years and years. Check out some of the older threads.
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I'm not new, and I think Paul has a point.
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I'm not new, and I think Paul has a point.
Perhaps, but I can think of some now-banned members like Thebox who regularly posted profound nonsense there. Plus conspiracy theories by tkadm30/smart. Dave has peddled scientific misunderstandings and denialism for years.
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Thank you all, I have no intention of doing a back trawl to look for further nonsense, my poor brain is already melting from reading recent posts in that subforum!
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The " New Theories " section is a Great proposition for the long run.
Who knows, maybe someday, someone might finally strike Gold in there.
Until now, it's a Good place to know how Not to do things.
P.S. - Why so Serious!
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(The Joker)
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Oh dear, Zero, strike gold, I think you meant to say "strike faeces"!
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I know that section is filled with crazies & loonies...still...
Some perplexing ideas started off with a crazy thought experiment.
Later found to be true.
If Mr Tesla was still around, He would have found the " New Theories " section quite Appealing.
Having a corner Specifically for Radical ideas is quite Inviting of sorts.
I Know there can be No Perpetual Motion.
But it's sheer Optimism to think Maybe someone will figure it out.
I know it sounds like Madness, it is.
Dark matter, Dark energy, Blackholes, Quantum Physics...all demand a breakthrough.
Hoping someday the
" New Theories " section will see a revelation, and provide this Forum with much credits & accolades, which it Rightfully deserves.
P.S. - Choose to be Optimistic, it feels Better.
Dalai Lama.
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Who knows, maybe someday, someone might finally strike Gold in there.
Nobody who actually has a valid new theory is going to publish it in a forum. New ideas are not going to come out of here.
The forum is for amateurs like myself to understand existing physics, discuss new findings, and yes, even to discuss alternate views. But Paul is very correct that most of what is posted in NT is not alternate views, only very very misinformed views.
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I think the length of the posts is my problem, most theories are a skeleton theory yet are delved into in great detail, you could spend a great deal of time reading very lengthy posts with many errors that prove precisely bugger all.
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In addition to nonsense posting there seems to have been contributions from people with mental health difficulties recently. As I am new to the forum I don't know how common this is. This presents a problem in that the repeated countering of their ill conceived ideas might trigger a bad outcome-despite the need to do so to maintain the integrity of science. When questions are repeatedly ignored and responded to by off topic rants, I suspect a manic phase of bipolar disorder, although I am not qualified to make such a diagnosis. In a manic phase sufferers can do crazy things.
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As Mr Cotter has very nicely explained it in the above post...
(mental instability)
Caution should be considered to deal with such individuals.
(they need Medication, Not Words)
Their position might get Worse when their Mistakes are pointed out.
(suicidal tendencies)
P.S. - Save your Own Souls, Do Not feed the Trolls!
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Being called a white supremacist is a new one for me.
If there's anything useful to come out of the latest crop of absurdity in New Theories, perhaps it might be properly informed guidance on how to deal with people who are deluded.
I don't just mean, uninformed, I mean those who just don't follow logic and observation.
It's a medical problem.
If i come across someone unconscious in the street, I might be able to remember the recovery position. At the very least, I can yell for help and [hone for an ambulance.
But how do we help the folk who turn up in New Theories saying they have proved that ducks eat atom bombs or whatever?
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"White supremacist" is nasty and totally inappropriate.
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"White supremacist" is nasty and totally inappropriate.
Seriously, it doesn't bother me much in that sort of scenario. There comes a point where it's like having a three year old shouting "You are horrid and you smell of pooh".
The difficult thing there is not laughing because you know they will grow out of it; but I'm really not sure what we should do when that sort of absurdity happens on a discussion forum.
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Congratulations to the MODS.
They All handled it with Elegance & Grace.
(If possible, Please do remove the obscene F word in that OP)
All members were Supportive & Friendly.
Good Job!
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Perhaps it's Best to BAN such OPs as soon as possible.
Would save alot of time of others.
& Also would prevent the wrong emotions from arising within mentally unstable OPs.
P.S. - Using the term " Soul " does not blend in well on a Science Forum.
Hence, Stay committed to your Own Goals, & Please do Not feed the Trolls!
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Perhaps it's Best to BAN such OPs as soon as possible.
Would save alot of time of others.
& Also would prevent the wrong emotions from arising within mentally unstable OPs.
I am beginning to wonder whether you are right. To prevent harm either mentally or physically to themselves, we might consider doing that. We’ll discuss it.
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Banning people with mental health problems is going to be tricky.
(1) How could you diagnose mental illness via a discussion forum
(2) how do you square it with the equality act? (Or comparable legislation elsewhere)
But you can have a policy about people who persistently ignore the laws of physics or persistently break the rules.
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Banning people with mental health problems is going to be tricky.
(1) How could you diagnose mental illness via a discussion forum
(2) how do you square it with the equality act? (Or comparable legislation elsewhere)
If we judge that someone is posting material that might be harmful to themselves or others, or indicate that the continued posting might make a mental state worse, we have a duty to stop that thread.
The @JLindgaard thread is a good example of psychotic behaviour which could be seen as harmful to the poster if allowed to continue. He had a lot of warnings.
But you can have a policy about people who persistently ignore the laws of physics or persistently break the rules.
We do, but the rules we work under give a lot of leeway to the op.
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ROFL @ Colin.
🤣🤣🤣
You saved a Life, & in the process made Others lives better too.
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P.S. - dat waz aawsumm!
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Has perPedes posted anything correct yet?
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But you can have a policy about people who persistently ignore the laws of physics or persistently break the rules.
Like Bruno, Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Maxwell.....not to mention Semmelweiss, Pasteur, Jenner, and everyone else who flagrantly ignored the laws of chemistry and the practice of medicine.
Science is different from mining.
It can take decades to recognise a nugget, and only then do you realise that everything you once considered valuable is actually dross.
Problem is that an awful lot of new dross is presented here as potential nuggets. But it keeps the miners alert and amused.
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I get your point Alancalverd, however science has advanced to such an extent that the chance of everything turning to dross is highly unlikely. At the current level of understanding, backed by countless observations, small corrections are the most likely changes. Cosmology may be one area of research where major new theories may arise subsequent to new observations. Yes, in the past there have been "renegades" who upset the status quo but I don't feel Maxwell or Einstein fall into this category-they just collated the evidence already in existence and worked it into cohesive theory.
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I rather think that dismissing the aether with a couple of equations, or deducing that matter can be transmuted into energy from the assumption that there is a limiting relative speed, were tectonic shifts rather than "corrections" to the laws of physics, and both preceded the supporting observations.
About 60 years ago, a number of eminent scientists predicted that physics would finish around 1980, which coincidentally would be the start of an ice age.
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Having just come back from a fortnight's holiday, I think I can confirm that the answer to " Is "new theories" getting worse?" is a resounding "Yes!.
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BC, I hope you enjoyed your holiday and are now reinvigorated and ready to tackle the bs.
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There has been a dramatic turn for the worse lately, where does all this nonsense come from? I suspect mental health problems.
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There has been a dramatic turn for the worse lately, where does all this nonsense come from? I suspect mental health problems.
DarkKnight was another sockpuppet of a former member called Thebox. He has repeatedly come back time and time again posting nonsense before getting banned. He's been kicked off again, though.
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Good decision there, Kryptid, countering bullshit gets tiresome when there seems to be an endless stream of it. I feel an obligation to try to enlighten those who are mired in absolute nonsense but it is rarely productive. Such is life.
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I feel an obligation to try to enlighten those who are mired in absolute nonsense but it is rarely productive.
Trust me, DarkKnight wasn't in any way seeking enlightenment. Some do, and you can usually tell those that are trying.
On a positive side, DaveLev has found another site to troll, one that deals with them differently.
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Bullshit alert! 'new theories' has fallen down the rabbit hole, again.
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Having just come back from a fortnight's holiday, I think I can confirm that the answer to " Is "new theories" getting worse?" is a resounding "Yes!.
How many times does this have to happen before I should ask if there's a correlation between me going on holiday and the "New Theories" section filling up with tosh?
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Funny how we never see you and the serious bullshitters in the same room. I think your "holiday" was actually a brief spell of alter ego.
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Funny how we never see you ...
This is the internet.
Nobody sees anyone else.
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Hi.
I'm wondering if the Forum is due for complete re-design or re-development. Try to sort out what the forum is supposed to do and how it is supposed to be used. For example, is it a place for people to try and present or publish an article at all?
I have increasingly thought that one of the defining features of a forum post should be that it seeks discussion or input from other people. If anyone found themselves just publishing something and merely hoping it would be read and used or incorporated into someone else's knowledge - then the entire article is just not something that should be in the forum at all. For example, asking a question is obviously fine - you're seeking input (answers) - but keeping and updating a chronological account of the activities of the Hubble telescope may not be. You see what I mean about how tricky it is to sort out what is reasonable from what isn't. Most of us would agree that the activities of the Hubble telescope should be regarded as perfectly good science. A regularly updated post may be interesting to amateur astronomers and all sorts of people that TNS might consider as their target audience - but if the article is not inviting or promoting discussion then it's not really something that needs to be on the forum. There are already websites providing all the latest news about Hubble (e.g. https://www.nasa.gov/content/news-latest-hubble-news ).
There are evidently some issues concerning the forum at the moment and its long term future. Until or unless those are sorted out I don't suppose it's worth creating surveys to see what people want in a forum etc. A more pressing issue might be sending out requests for additional financial support. i.d.k.
Another thing that (I find) has to be thought about is that we do actually want some questions or something to do. There are days when I log onto the forum and hope to find a discussion or question I can spend a moment on and get involved in. So it's not as if the forum will work without people asking questions or putting something in new theories. We can't all be answering or replying, someone has to ask a new question, start a new thread, or update a long running thread with some new material etc. So maybe there is a case to argue in favour of threads like a chronological account of the Hubble telescopes activities, a just for fun quiz, a jokes thread etc. Anyway, that's an option, try to look at the glass as being half-full: When there's a new theory presented that you may think is bad, at least there's a new theory to look at and something you could do today which may be useful. I'd recommend politely engaging with the author rather than anything else.
Best Wishes.
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Hi, ES. There is unfortunately a number of recidivist offenders who expound theories that are absolute nonsense and they cannot be corrected by any means. They just refuse to listen to any criticism whatsoever and some become ratty when the correct ideas are supplied. On the other points you raise I am in full agreement.
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For example, asking a question is obviously fine - you're seeking input (answers)
Is the honorable member aware that you can turn almost any statement into a question?
I wonder if we should give more thought to simply banning those who refuse to learn.
I'm looking at
Dave Lev,
ACSinUK
Yahya A.Sharif
trevorjohnson32
and other wastes of bandwidth.
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I came here to learn and if possible help others to do so. The purveyors of nonsense do not: they make erroneous statements of fact, not opinion and seem immune to logical argument. If it was up to me, they would all be banned as they have zero interest in learning. They only seek to spam the site with their pet "theories".
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Dave is helpful in questioning the authenticity of instrumentations & to recheck the credibility of the info/data obtained.
ACS showcases how easily one can drift apart by relying on corrupted sources of information online & how to identify n tackle scientific misinformation n steer clear off of it.
Yahya has the ability to serve abstract thoughts but eventually conforms to critical thinking and logical reasoning.
Trevor reminds me of ' infinite monkeys with infinite typewriters ' .
Even one hyper monkey on a crazy typing spree could at some point spit out something of profound importance.
Others include radical climate activists sufferin eco-anxiety, fanatic book sellers tryin to make a living & blog masters seeking a meaning to survive.
Even Spammies & Trollz end up teachin a worthy lesson or two.
ps - from Success, learn how to be.
& from Failures, how not to be.
(No Disrespect intended towards Anyone, & No hard feelings Whatsoever)
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I came here to learn and if possible help others to do so. The purveyors of nonsense do not: they make erroneous statements of fact, not opinion and seem immune to logical argument. If it was up to me, they would all be banned as they have zero interest in learning. They only seek to spam the site with their pet "theories".
I Completely Understand your point of view.
But I'm afraid of what you ask for...Perfection.
Of which I've heard is Only available in Heaven.
But to Achieve it,
requires alot of good deeds,
& a hearse ride in deed.
ps - one's Trash, another's Treasure.
life's too Short, live it up with Pleasure!
(fill ur bootz man)
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Dave is helpful in questioning the authenticity of instrumentation & to recheck the credibility of the info/data obtained.
He only questions it if it threatens his ideas. One particular incident comes to mind. He once questioned Martian rover measurements of Phobos' orbital period when I supplied it as evidence against his idea that objects always drift away from whatever they orbit. Then, later on, he modified his idea so that objects close enough to their parent bodies will drift inwards instead of outwards. Then he said that he agreed with the rover measurements. With him, it's often a case of "measurements that agree with my hypothesis can be trusted, but those that do not cannot be trusted".
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Yahya has the ability to serve abstract thoughts but eventually conforms to critical thinking and logical reasoning.
When do you anticipate this happening?
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Zer0, I don't seek perfection. I seek a good debate with exchange of ideas but when someone doggedly insists on an obviously false position and will not participate other than stating "black is white", then this debate I seek cannot happen.
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I'm Sure None of Us in here logs in to just keep getting Irked & Irritated.
If ' New Theories ' or Any other sections are Repeatedly bringing out the Wrong Negative emotions, I'd Advise to keep away from em.
(your own well being matters Alot)
If it can be said with Absolute Certainty that a few OPs are Trollz & Spammies, then treat them in a manner, which they are Deserving of.
(plz do Not feed them mead)
I don't suppose Any one of Us here can Control the quantity or quality of input posts received.
But Surely our responses are our own Prerogative.
(It might Rain, it might Not...but to carry an Umbrella, is a Choice I've got)
The conceptual designers of the TNS site have placed a much needed boon in the architecture.
Please utilize the ' Ignore Tool ' .
(in Ignorance lies your Bliss)
ps - " Never argue with a Fool.
Onlookers may Not be able to tell the Difference. "
(Twain)
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Zer0, if falsehoods are being disseminated and we do nothing to counter them, then we do a disservice to the general reader who may not be able to discern the truth.
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Zer0, if falsehoods are being disseminated and we do nothing to counter them, then we do a disservice to the general reader who may not be able to discern the truth.
The best thing we could do to counter them is, after a while, to ban the people posting them.
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Maybe change the format a bit, with a red warning instead of the green band, and a permanent emoji of a defecating bovine between two question marks?
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It is good to see the mods moving quickly to quash threads infected with unscientific gibberish. Thank you, Halc+Kryptid.
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Is it the warm weather?
We seem to have had a flare up of
cpu68, mxplxxx and KiltedWeirdo
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I just noticed the resurrection of a long winded( 40 odd pages ) diatribe that I remember commenting on: just to be sure of what I had said I read through it all-aagh!, I now have a splitting headache. We definitely seem to be having an outburst of such activity, can't blame it on the full moon as we are well past that now. I was in southern California( Anaheim ) '83/'84 and there outbreaks of lawlessness were ascribed to the santa ana winds, a warm desert wind that hit the area from time to time. I don't know how realistic this is but it was taken seriously by law enforcement.
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Apparently there's a real drop inmost crime during heatwaves- presumably the criminals" just can't be bothered".
On a tangentially related note, is Gilyermo a bot?
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Yep BC, I noticed that, a rash of comments just stating the obvious and adding nothing new.
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On a tangentially related note, is Gilyermo a bot?
Spam bot, banned. The point of the post storm was apparently to bury the (writer help) spam in a post in the paroxetine topic.
Always suspicious of a new user, especially one that puts out multiple (useless) posts like that, all at once. The last 7 posts were 30 seconds apart. No human can do that unless all the pages were pre-composed and all you needed to do was change windows and hit the post button.
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Not referring to Momentus, I think a lot of the other posters who produce voluminous and often incoherent posts on an intermittent basis are suffering from bipolar disorder. They post reams and reams of nonsense for a while and then disappear, reappearing months later to repeat the process. This behaviour is characteristic of BD where the manic phase is associated with pressure of thought and the subsequent depressive state with paucity of thought.
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Full moon alert!!, the loonies are out in force, run for the hills.
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Momentus, please keep that discussion in your Dark Motion thread. I feel like you are derailing this thread.
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I have been out of touch for just over 1week. I note the avalanche of bs continues unabated. Much credit due to BC, Kryptid, Origin and any others I may have missed for their, alas vain, attempts to promulgate science. I don't know where their patience comes from, personally my response would have degenerated into strings of expletives if I had to deal with such "wilful ignorance", my only description possible. AAAGGHH!!!
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I just noticed there was another outbreak of "dark motion" back in 2020, before my time.
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Another nonsense attack alert!! Must be a full moon again. Kryptid is battling valiantly against this particular onslaught.
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Sometimes the stuff I see here makes me scratch my head too. But hey, the internet's a wild place, and there's all sorts of folks out there. We just gotta roll with it and not let it get to us too much. Age might be a factor, but craziness knows no boundaries.
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It does seem like things have gotten a bit wild around here lately. But hey, forums are all about diversity, right? 😄 Just gotta roll with it and find the nuggets of wisdom among the chaos.
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Pseudoscience outbreak detected!! Be on guard, it will probably worsen over the coming days as the moon waxes.