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There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
A modern day Evangelist doing to others what he despises in them, forcing his beliefs down their throats a prime example of a hypocrite, what is he trying to achieve? He should go home and spend valuable time with his family and grandchildren, instead of going all over the world, convincing the already converted, who already are atheists like him.
"In a billion years he will never get a fundamentalist to convert to his belief, what a huge waste of time and effort"
He does make fools of the religious fundamentalists, "but how easy is that"?, to make fools of those ignorant in basic science, but being ignorant does not mean they are stupid, they just do not know things he knows.
As a scientist he should know he simply cannot prove that god does not exist, so until he can he should go home and shut up and stop irritating people .
He is in his 70,s and has just had a stroke, so maybe he should reconsider his position as far as the existence of god goes and the possibility that there just might be an afterlife?
Alan
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There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
A modern day Evangelist doing to others what he despises in them, forcing his beliefs down their throats a prime example of a hypocrite, what is he trying to achieve? He should go home and spend valuable time with his family and grandchildren, instead of going all over the world, convincing the already converted, who already are atheists like him.
this is incorrect, Darwkins is not an Athiest, he is an Anti-Thiest, he has in the past actively called for Militant Athieisms. He actively seeks the destruction of Religion, in his own words he Despises God.
To Quote Orwell
"He was an embittered atheist, the sort of atheist who does not so much disbelieve in God as personally dislike Him."
"In a billion years he will never get a fundamentalist to convert to his belief, what a huge waste of time and effort"
He does make fools of the religious fundamentalists, "but how easy is that"?,
Very easy, most regular religious people joke about them also. Like many scientist Darkins is more interested in Fame And with the Selfish Gene as an Idea, it has caused nothing but trouble in the Free Market but it made Dawkins Famous and thats whats important.
to make fools of those ignorant in basic science, but being ignorant does not mean they are stupid, they just do not know things he knows.
As a scientist he should know he simply cannot prove that god does not exist, so until he can he should go home and shut up and stop irritating people .
I do not see a scientist when I see Dawkins, just and Anrgy man that wants to be Rich and Famous.
He is in his 70,s and has just had a stroke, so maybe he should reconsider his position as far as the existence of god goes and the possibility that there just might be an afterlife?
Alan
He´s too Proud for that, even if God appeared to him he´d probably die denying it ever happened.
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There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
A modern day Evangelist doing to others what he despises in them, forcing his beliefs down their throats a prime example of a hypocrite, what is he trying to achieve? He should go home and spend valuable time with his family and grandchildren, instead of going all over the world, convincing the already converted, who already are atheists like him.
this is incorrect, Darwkins is not an Athiest, he is an Anti-Thiest, he has in the past actively called for Militant Athieisms. He actively seeks the destruction of Religion, in his own words he Despises God.
To Quote Orwell
"He was an embittered atheist, the sort of atheist who does not so much disbelieve in God as personally dislike Him."
"In a billion years he will never get a fundamentalist to convert to his belief, what a huge waste of time and effort"
He does make fools of the religious fundamentalists, "but how easy is that"?,
Very easy, most regular religious people joke about them also. Like many scientist Darkins is more interested in Fame And with the Selfish Gene as an Idea, it has caused nothing but trouble in the Free Market but it made Dawkins Famous and thats whats important.
to make fools of those ignorant in basic science, but being ignorant does not mean they are stupid, they just do not know things he knows.
As a scientist he should know he simply cannot prove that god does not exist, so until he can he should go home and shut up and stop irritating people .
I do not see a scientist when I see Dawkins, just and Anrgy man that wants to be Rich and Famous.
He is in his 70,s and has just had a stroke, so maybe he should reconsider his position as far as the existence of god goes and the possibility that there just might be an afterlife?
Alan
He´s too Proud for that, even if God appeared to him he´d probably die denying it ever happened.
Thank you for one of the best summation of this angry little that man I have ever read, who is doing exactly what he hates in others evangelizing his own 'Beliefs void of proof and making a good deal of money in the process!
Thank you again!
Regards
Alan
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Thank the flying spaghetti monster for people like Dawkins, who are not afraid to speak out about the evils of religion and who actively try and help eradicate it from this earth; being that religion itself is probably human kind's greatest ignorance, shortcoming, and destructive force. It is a stain on our humanity and the crimes committed in any given made up gods name are far too numerous. And the stigma attached to atheists, the societal bias and downright discrimination, is pathetic; especially when we are the enlightened ones, we are the ones who see more deeply, we are the ones who sees things as they are, we are the ones with the more evolved intellect. We are the ones with a strong enough mind to be able to handle the concept of Reality and Circumstance without having to create this false entity just so that we don't have to feel alone, so that we feel like we always have a best friend there, or that we're always unconditionally loved, that someone is always there to guide us, or to listen to us, or to be a source of our strength, or to put silly faith in, or to believe can answer our prayers. We have the strength to be able to handle the concept that ultimately we are alone and that ultimately we die. We can handle the concept that things happen simply because they happen, and simply because that's life. We don't need a crutch to walk through life. We are strong enough to do it on our own.
But we're so stigmatized by society, even though we are the more intellectually advanced and aware, that many choose to stay silent. Thankfully there are those like Dawkins, even if I disagree with some of his methods, that speak out, even at great risk to themselves. I'm grateful that more and more seem to be waking up though, and that in most developed nations religion is getting weaker and weaker and less and less believe. It shows as a species we are evolving. And hopefully soon, though likely not in my lifetime, religion will be relegated to the annals of history where it belongs; reflective of a time as a species we were ignorant and needed god as an explanation to the things we didn't understand. Thankfully science has become advanced enough that more and more things once attributed to this false notion of god have since been shown to not require it as an explanation whatsoever. And as we go further down a path of intellect and scientific discovery I feel it won't be long till it is shown without doubt that god isn't necessary for literally anything at all. And hopefully then people will wake up and realize just how silly a concept it was to begin with, just as much as we regard those now that had once considered the earth to be flat and something you could fall off of.
Yes, I'm passionate about the subject. Because I've seen the destruction and death that religion causes. Because I'm aware enough to see just how ridiculous a concept it is, of mentally projecting myself flying off the planet, to where it becomes a blue dot, to where the sun becomes a dot, to where all the stars are dots, to where our galaxy too then becomes but one of 2-500 billion other galaxies, and then thinking how some think that there's some god hovering around that inperceivable blue dot, listening to their prayers and dictating circumstance. Yeah, ummm okie dokie. And then they use that notion to cast judgment on others, to consider themselves better than others, they use it to discriminate against others, against women, against gays, against non believers. They use it to manipulate, they use it avoid, they use it as justifications for their hatreds and biases. But it is humanity's greatest stain and ignorance. Science has already shown that on so many levels, having since explained so many things that once were so steadfastly attributed to 'god'. And soon, everything attributed to 'god' will be shown to be deeply rooted in science instead, with no longer a need for such ridiculous malarkey as an explanation.
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As a scientist he should know he simply cannot prove that god does not exist,
Not a very scientific statement. What we can say is that on the one hand every god that has yet been proposed, has been shown not to exist, and on the other, there is no requirement for anything that might be described as a god. Thus, like phlogiston and caloric, we are entitled to dispense with the outmoded hypothesis.
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As far as this topic goes, there's probably not very many I'd be more passionate about. Like I said, the fairytale god is the biggest flaw and ignorance of humankind, its most glaring example of how far it has to go in order to be considered a truly intelligent species. I can all but guarantee if we ever met an advanced alien race, that they'd view us as simpletons upon discovering our need for god to exist. But again, thankfully the concept is on its way out, and intellect will someday reign supreme, and the concept of god will no longer infect minds, except for maybe a pocket of radicals who refuse to give in to science, logic and reason. I'd say those days are a century or two away at best.
There's zero evidence god exists, nor will there ever be. Because there can be no evidence for something that's merely an invention of the mind and nothing more. Thankfully we have great minds like Stephen Hawking who have shown that the concept is no longer necessary to explain pretty much anything at all. It's a crutch for those too weak to handle the concept of existence on their own, nothing more. Ponder that a bit. You'll see...
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As a scientist he should know he simply cannot prove that god does not exist,
Not a very scientific statement. What we can say is that on the one hand every god that has yet been proposed, has been shown not to exist, and on the other, there is no requirement for anything that might be described as a god. Thus, like phlogiston and caloric, we are entitled to dispense with the outmoded hypothesis.
Very powerful statement. I couldn't agree more.
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Thank the flying spaghetti monster for people like Dawkins, who are not afraid to speak out about the evils of religion and who actively try and help eradicate it from this earth; being that religion itself is probably human kind's greatest ignorance, shortcoming, and destructive force.
Human nature is behind the evils of history. Look at the 20th century, a secular century, and industrial scale WW1, WW2 and almost WW3. Vietnam, the middle east...
For some of us Genesis is not looked to as the explanation for everything, with science as the alternate, we just don't have faith as a means to justify where all things came from. We instead have the revelation of Christ, and all other Biblical matters through Him. And hundreds of millions of us have experienced Christ as a presence and received Him. And then comes glossolalia... I have experienced that and other things and seen events at the pulpit live.
When we have spiritual encounters with the benevolent, we have a knowing that fits in with faith rather than the empirical. It is a revelation of God. Following this those people try to sustain a higher standard and go for more. Then that latter is religion. Then further their children not having a spiritual high have like a secondary religion...
In the 1980s I heard there were hundreds of millions of people who said they received Christ and some glossolalia... This generation of westerners are materialistic, pleasure loving and love irreverent humour. Also there is mocking of open mindedness and irrationality and supernatural experience. People think all we have, we got by war, or we could have gained all this material, and knowledge and good will, just with philosophy... I don't agree with it.
Not all religion is true and benevolent like that which comes from Christ. And the children can take it to extremes. They get it wrong, folly or extremism.
Jesus Christ is the answer to human nature, not the problem. And there are unclean spirits.
The west was once very Christian. People like Wilberforce abolishing slavery, cruelty to animals, and providing free education, before socialism were Christian heroes. It injected benevolence into human nature and culture.
Now it is that the missionaries from the west, made converts in other countries through evangelism, which was thankfully revived after Martin Luther. It was all too suppressed before. Now the majority of Christians are in Brazil, India, China, Korea and Africa. And Eastern Europe is taking up the faith again.
The experiencing of God's presence and power, the being spiritual is more important than religion, and I think it will always re-appear.
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Thank the flying spaghetti monster for people like Dawkins, who are not afraid to speak out about the evils of religion and who actively try and help eradicate it from this earth; being that religion itself is probably human kind's greatest ignorance, shortcoming, and destructive force.
Human nature is behind the evils of history. Look at the 20th century, a secular century, and industrial scale WW1, WW2 and almost WW3. Vietnam, the middle east...
For some of us Genesis is not looked to as the explanation for everything, with science as the alternate, we just don't have faith as a means to justify where all things came from. We instead have the revelation of Christ, and all other Biblical matters through Him. And hundreds of millions of us have experienced Christ as a presence and received Him. And then comes glossolalia... I have experienced that and other things and seen events at the pulpit live.
When we have spiritual encounters with the benevolent, we have a knowing that fits in with faith rather than the empirical. It is a revelation of God. Following this those people try to sustain a higher standard and go for more. Then that latter is religion. Then further their children not having a spiritual high have like a secondary religion...
In the 1980s I heard there were hundreds of millions of people who said they received Christ and some glossolalia... This generation of westerners are materialistic, pleasure loving and love irreverent humour. Also there is mocking of open mindedness and irrationality and supernatural experience. People think all we have, we got by war, or we could have gained all this material, and knowledge and good will, just with philosophy... I don't agree with it.
Not all religion is true and benevolent like that which comes from Christ. And the children can take it to extremes. They get it wrong, folly or extremism.
Jesus Christ is the answer to human nature, not the problem. And there are unclean spirits.
The west was once very Christian. People like Wilberforce abolishing slavery, cruelty to animals, and providing free education, before socialism were Christian heroes. It injected benevolence into human nature and culture.
Now it is that the missionaries from the west, made converts in other countries through evangelism, which was thankfully revived after Martin Luther. It was all too suppressed before. Now the majority of Christians are in Brazil, India, China, Korea and Africa. And Eastern Europe is taking up the faith again.
The experiencing of God's presence and power, the being spiritual is more important than religion, and I think it will always re-appear.
Thank you for standing for what is right, moral in this age of Godless immorality, where woman and man or female of male no longer exist and we have to have supposed to have become " Non-Binary" "Things" or "Its" in which it is OK to do as you will!
"There are no atheists in the fox holes" The awful realization in their dying moments that they are in the actual process of dying and the knowledge and cold fear that this is their last moments of life, and the absolute finality of it, will make these God haters realise that they would have earned a place in a lost eternity and infinite separation from the love of Almighty God.
I refuse to apologize for my profound love and appreciation for the gift of life, which came exclusively from the source of life God Almighty creator of heaven and earth.
"In God, I put my trust! "
I wrote the below article some time ago
"The descent of human morality."
Humans have supposed to have become " Non-Binary" "Things" or "Its" it is which do as you will!
The increase in wickedness and the descent of human morality and virtuous ethics
Perversion and promiscuity are portrayed as normal and fun.
A judgmental and "morally superior" attitude is projected.
The "human righteousness" message is promoted.
Perversion and promiscuity are portrayed as normal and fun.
Purity is portrayed as weird and debilitating.
Marriage and family are redefined.
Beastality has been legalised in some countries (Canada one example)
There is an agenda against the historical Family order of husband and wife.
What will come next, marriage unions between animals and humans, anything is OK?
Now it is legal to murder an unborn child, but not a depraved murderous beast of a serial rapist-murderer.
Belief in the real almighty God is presented as silly. The authority of God is mocked.
Biblical Christianity is not tolerated. The revelation in the Bible is scoffed at.
The ideas that are presented as acceptable are these: "God is a mindless force," or "There are many gods," or "All of us are little god as," or "No one can know God," or "There is no God."
They speak of Mother Nature rather than give glory to God Almighty.
Involvement in the occult is encouraged. Many cults that lead to evil spirit possession, such as yoga and TM, are promoted.
The idea that more governmental control can replace good morals is promoted.
The message is that government or socialism in some form can solve all problems and bring about human-produced "utopia." Government dependency is promoted.
A powerful one-world government is often presented as the solution.
The theory of evolution is presented as if it were fact.
Covetousness is used to rally support for various agendas.
False peace movements are promoted.
There us a tendency to speak of passivism while endorsing violence.
Addiction to entertainment is promoted.
Addictions such is gambling, drinking, perversion or promiscuity are promoted.
Strong emphasis is put on seeking pleasure and seeking wealth.
The doctrine is taught: do as thou wilt and the ability to pick one's own tenets from among many liberal tenets.
The doctrine is taught: every person has his or her own reality.
Believing in relativism: moral, spiritual, or physical.
Feeling that, "My opinion is just as valid as yours, there is no longer a moral boundary everything is good.
Banishment of the knowledge of the truth.
That there is no such thing as a lie.
The abnormal is considered to be the new normal
Believing that there is no right or wrong, just winners and losers.
Ability to hold two or more mutually exclusive tenets to be true at the same time is presented as sane.
Compartmentalization of areas of thought to allow for conflicting and chaotic thought processes.
Rationalised speculation is presented as the source of knowledge and wisdom.
Alan McDougall
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As a scientist he should know he simply cannot prove that god does not exist,
Not a very scientific statement. What we can say is that on the one hand every god that has yet been proposed, has been shown not to exist, and on the other, there is no requirement for anything that might be described as a god. Thus, like phlogiston and caloric, we are entitled to dispense with the outmoded hypothesis.
Very powerful statement. I couldn't agree more.
It is not a powerful statement, in fact, it is one of the most pathetic and weak I statements I have ever had the displeasure to read. Indeed, it is a very sad statement at that, of someone who has no faith in himself or humanity and one who believes we are just biological objects.
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As far as this topic goes, there's probably not very many I'd be more passionate about. Like I said, the fairytale god is the biggest flaw and ignorance of humankind, its most glaring example of how far it has to go in order to be considered a truly intelligent species. I can all but guarantee if we ever met an advanced alien race, that they'd view us as simpletons upon discovering our need for god to exist. But again, thankfully the concept is on its way out, and intellect will someday reign supreme, and the concept of god will no longer infect minds, except for maybe a pocket of radicals who refuse to give in to science, logic and reason. I'd say those days are a century or two away at best.
There's zero evidence god exists, nor will there ever be. Because there can be no evidence for something that's merely an invention of the mind and nothing more. Thankfully we have great minds like Stephen Hawking who have shown that the concept is no longer necessary to explain pretty much anything at all. It's a crutch for those too weak to handle the concept of existence on their own, nothing more. Ponder that a bit. You'll see...
So by your perverse reasoning, anyone who believes in God is a simpleton making you an atheist by default into a highly intelligent exalted enlightened being. There are countless scientists that by comparison to you, with IQ's that far exceed yours that believe in a creator, God.
Here is just one list of them?
http://www.famousscientists.org/25-famous-scientists-who-believed-in-god/
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It is not a powerful statement, in fact, it is one of the most pathetic and weak I statements I have ever had the displeasure to read. Indeed, it is a very sad statement at that, of someone who has no faith in himself or humanity and one who believes we are just biological objects.
It appears that you have a problem with biological objects. That's a shame. It also seems that you aren't happy with humans unless they have some kind of deity supporting them. That's also a shame.
The real problem with Dawkins is that he is very much an elitist and he wields his intellectual superiority against people rather than for them. It would be nice if people could look past religion and help people. Sadly, Dawkins is correct that those who believe powerfully in religion often make life harder for themselves and others.
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It is not a powerful statement, in fact, it is one of the most pathetic and weak I statements I have ever had the displeasure to read. Indeed, it is a very sad statement at that, of someone who has no faith in himself or humanity and one who believes we are just biological objects.
It appears that you have a problem with biological objects. That's a shame. It also seems that you aren't happy with humans unless they have some kind of deity supporting them. That's also a shame.
The real problem with Dawkins is that he is very much an elitist and he wields his intellectual superiority against people rather than for them. It would be nice if people could look past religion and help people. Sadly, Dawkins is correct that those who believe powerfully in religion often make life harder for themselves and others.
How could you possibly know that he is correct, prove it?
Yes, I have a real problem believing that any living organism is just an "Object' or that we humans are just mistakes of evolution of and just watery bags of protoplasm.
Do you really believe that when you look into the eyes of someone you love, that it is just a soulless "Object" or "Thing" or "It" looking back at you?
He is a hypocrite doing exactly what he despises in believers. Evangelising his beliefs, and making a good living out of it in the process, forcing his opinion down the throats of others who differ from him, preaching and proselytising his unprovable gospel of a new religion namely "New Atheism"
What on earth is he trying to achieve, convert the whole world into the cult of "New Atheism". What a colossal waste of time is that?
I repeat
" There is no God and Ricard Dawings is his prophet and Charles Darwin is the Messiah."
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/the_god_delusion.html
Richard Dawkins has stepped out of his usual area of expertise, biological evolution, and has attempted to become atheism's greatest apologist. Unfortunately, like so many other atheists, he picks out the easy targets with blinders fully engaged, to avoid having to deal with any serious challenges to his beliefs. Yes, I did use the "b" word, since Dawkins actively promotes the belief that there is no God (hence the title) and that atheists should "come out" of the closet and exhibit abundant "atheist pride."
Dawkins "IS "preaching to the choir," since the vast majority of his apologetics is either old and refuted or strawman in nature. This is a series of articles debunking the atheistic apologetics of The God Delusion.
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Albert Einsteins Quotes On Spirituality
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/einstein/
I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.
Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge.
Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.
The scientists’ religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.
There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious; It is the source of all true art and science.
We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.
When the solution is simple, God is answering.
God does not play dice with the universe.
God is subtle but he is not malicious.
A human being is a part of the whole, called by us Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest-a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.
This delusion is a kind of prison, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.
Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.
The man who regards his own life and that of his fellow creatures as meaningless is not merely unfortunate but almost disqualified for life.
Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.
Only a life lived for others is a life worthwhile.
The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library.
The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books—-a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.
The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.
One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.
What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism.
The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man.
To know that what is impenetrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties - this knowledge, this feeling ... that is the core of the true religious sentiment. In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself among profoundly religious men.
The real problem is in the hearts and minds of men. It is easier to denature plutonium than to denature the evil spirit of man.
True religion is real living; living with all one’s soul, with all one’s goodness and righteousness.
Intelligence makes clear to us the interrelationship of means and ends. But mere thinking cannot give us a sense of the ultimate and fundamental ends.
To make clear these fundamental ends and valuations and to set them fast in the emotional life of the individual, seems to me precisely the most important function which religion has to form in the social life of man.
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Who would invite Ricard Dawkins in the last moments of life, to the death bed of a beloved relative, not me I would tell him to get lost?
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How would he comfort them by saying "Bad toenails", "accept your fate and the terrifying fact that you are going to cease to exist in the next few moments, because of your selfish genes, who do not care if you ever existed"
Or maybe?
"In the grand order of the mindless universe, "you mean nothing" and you have spent your life in a constant delusion that there is a God that cares for you, in these final wise informed words of mine, find some comfort for yourself and accept the awful reality of the total cessation of your being".
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What idiot would want this puffed up egotistical little unlikeable full of himself to the extent that everyone else is stupid fools would want this entity at their dying moments to comfort them?
All he could really do is watch speechlessly as they slowly entered the valley of death.
He has just lately had a stroke that could have killed him, so maybe providence is trying to get his attention that time is short and that at his age of 74, he should focus on the really important things in his life. Such as returning to those he leaves languishing in the UK, (while he is away spouting his hateful atheist), Go back to those who he loves in a chemical driven way, his wife, children, grandchildren, those things that are really meaningful, important and precious in his life and stop trying to bring the whole world around to believing his fundamentalist atheism.
All he is doing is preaching to those that accept his belief system , he is wasting his time trying to convert believers if they believe the tooth fairy is God so what?
It is just one colossal exercise in total absolute futility!
Alan
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The real problem with Dawkins is that he is very much an elitist and he wields his intellectual superiority against people rather than for them. It would be nice if people could look past religion and help people. Sadly, Dawkins is correct that those who believe powerfully in religion often make life harder for themselves and others.
How could you possibly know that he is correct, prove it?
I can look at history. I can read the paper tomorrow.
Yes, I have a real problem believing that any living organism is just an "Object' or that we humans are just mistakes of evolution of and just watery bags of protoplasm.
You are the one using words like "just" and "mistakes", biology does not require that you use those words. You don't like humans, probably because of religious influence.
He is a hypocrite doing exactly what he despises in believers. Evangelising his beliefs, and making a good living out of it in the process, forcing his opinion down the throats of others who differ from him, preaching and proselytising his unprovable gospel of a new religion namely "New Atheism"
I agree. However, religions don't get to be correct merely because Dawkins is a hypocrite.
What on earth is he trying to achieve, convert the whole world into the cult of "New Atheism". What a colossal waste of time is that?
He does think that much of the suffering on the Earth is due to religion. He is certainly correct that some of it is, but he definitely underestimates how much is due to racism, misogyny, and fiscal inequality.
Richard Dawkins has stepped out of his usual area of expertise, biological evolution, and has attempted to become atheism's greatest apologist. Unfortunately, like so many other atheists, he picks out the easy targets with blinders fully engaged, to avoid having to deal with any serious challenges to his beliefs. Yes, I did use the "b" word, since Dawkins actively promotes the belief that there is no God (hence the title) and that atheists should "come out" of the closet and exhibit abundant "atheist pride."
Religions are, unfortunately, filled with "easy targets". You are actually making one of Dawkins points if your religious position is that nobody should attack these targets: you are saying that even the moderately religious should give a pass to the worst behavior of anyone in the name of their religion, thus saying that moderate and tolerant religious belief supports extreme and intolerant religious belief.
Dawkins "IS "preaching to the choir," since the vast majority of his apologetics is either old and refuted or strawman in nature.
While he is preaching to the choir on many occasions, clearly that's not all he is doing, since the people on that website are very scared of what he has to say. That an argument against religion is old does not mean that it is wrong.
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Albert Einsteins Quotes On Spirituality
To bring up these quotations is an act of deception. They are used to support the idea that Einstein believed an a type of deity that he criticized.
A nice discussion of one quotation taken out of context, along with a critique, is at https://newrepublic.com/article/115821/einsteins-famous-quote-science-religion-didnt-mean-taught
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Einstein was a great scientist and called upon to be a strategist, thankfully he rejected Nazism and worked for the USA, but he invented with his team, the first atomic bomb and advocated it's use.
Great at reason, it is said he did not believe in a god behind the universe. But he worked for WW2's biggest war machine, on the Christian nation's side.
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Einstein was a great scientist and called upon to be a strategist, thankfully he rejected Nazism and worked for the USA, but he invented with his team, the first atomic bomb and advocated it's use.
Great at reason, it is said he did not believe in a god behind the universe. But he worked for WW2's biggest war machine, on the Christian nation's side.
Are you saying that Einstein worked for Germany? They were likely the most Christian nation at the time, since they actively persecuted non-Christian faiths.
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Einstein was a great scientist and called upon to be a strategist, thankfully he rejected Nazism and worked for the USA, but he invented with his team, the first atomic bomb and advocated it's use.
Great at reason, it is said he did not believe in a god behind the universe. But he worked for WW2's biggest war machine, on the Christian nation's side.
That is not accurate Einstein never worked on any war machine, all he did was due to the urging of other scientists, was sign off on a letter, who had already penned it is the deceptive was that he had written it himself, which the scientist took to President Roosevelt, who based on the "supposed words of this great man". allowed them to set up the Manhattan Project, which led to the creation of the atomic bomb
Later Einstein said it was the biggest mistake of his life
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http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/einstein.shtml
Albert Einstein
Old Grove Rd.
Nassau Point
Peconic, Long Island
August 2nd 1939
F.D. Roosevelt
President of the United States
White House
Washington, D.C.
Sir:
Some recent work by E.Fermi and L. Szilard, which has been communicated to me in manuscript, leads me to expect that the element uranium may be turned into a new and important source of energy in the immediate future. Certain aspects of the situation which has arisen seem to call for watchfulness and, if necessary, quick action on the part of the Administration. I believe therefore that it is my duty to bring to your attention the following facts and recommendations:---
Go to the link and read the rest for yourself
Alan
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Einstein was a great scientist and called upon to be a strategist, thankfully he rejected Nazism and worked for the USA, but he invented with his team, the first atomic bomb and advocated it's use.
Great at reason, it is said he did not believe in a god behind the universe. But he worked for WW2's biggest war machine, on the Christian nation's side.
Are you saying that Einstein worked for Germany? They were likely the most Christian nation at the time, since they actively persecuted non-Christian faiths.
The Christian nations would be the USA, Ireland, Poland, all of Europe, but for Germany, who burned their Bibles, renounced the Christian faith in favour of bringing in their own third reign. They only kept some Gospels to criticize the Jews and to persuade Christians to turn.
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Einstein was a great scientist and called upon to be a strategist, thankfully he rejected Nazism and worked for the USA, but he invented with his team, the first atomic bomb and advocated it's use.
Great at reason, it is said he did not believe in a god behind the universe. But he worked for WW2's biggest war machine, on the Christian nation's side.
Are you saying that Einstein worked for Germany? They were likely the most Christian nation at the time, since they actively persecuted non-Christian faiths.
The Christian nations would be the USA, Ireland, Poland, all of Europe, but for Germany, who burned their Bibles, renounced the Christian faith in favour of bringing in their own third reign. They only kept some Gospels to criticize the Jews and to persuade Christians to turn.
Just to let you know I agree with nearly everything you say, keep up the good work and never compromise on your faith or in what you believe is good and true!!
Blessings
Alan
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Albert Einsteins Quotes On Spirituality
To bring up these quotations is an act of deception. They are used to support the idea that Einstein believed an a type of deity that he criticized.
A nice discussion of one quotation taken out of context, along with a critique, is at https://newrepublic.com/article/115821/einsteins-famous-quote-science-religion-didnt-mean-taught
How on Gods Clean earth can that ever be construed by the least moronic idiot to be a deception? It was word for word quotes direct out of the mouth of Albert Einstein'
Einstein did say if he believed in a God it would be the "God of the Dutch philosopher Spinoza, who was a deist. Einstein was rather vague about his belief in the divine seemly vacillating from that of an outright atheist to a that of a deist
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Einstein was a great scientist and called upon to be a strategist, thankfully he rejected Nazism and worked for the USA, but he invented with his team, the first atomic bomb and advocated it's use.
Great at reason, it is said he did not believe in a god behind the universe. But he worked for WW2's biggest war machine, on the Christian nation's side.
Are you saying that Einstein worked for Germany? They were likely the most Christian nation at the time, since they actively persecuted non-Christian faiths.
The Christian nations would be the USA, Ireland, Poland, all of Europe, but for Germany, who burned their Bibles, renounced the Christian faith in favour of bringing in their own third reign. They only kept some Gospels to criticize the Jews and to persuade Christians to turn.
Just because they did things you don't like doesn't make them non-Christian.
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Albert Einsteins Quotes On Spirituality
To bring up these quotations is an act of deception. They are used to support the idea that Einstein believed an a type of deity that he criticized.
A nice discussion of one quotation taken out of context, along with a critique, is at https://newrepublic.com/article/115821/einsteins-famous-quote-science-religion-didnt-mean-taught
How on Gods Clean earth can that ever be construed by the least moronic idiot to be a deception? It was word for word quotes direct out of the mouth of Albert Einstein'
It is because there are many Christians out there who pass around "the words of Einstein" that are a) sometimes not Einstein's words or b) words taken out of context. There are many Christians in the English speaking world who have an industry of producing deceptive quotations.
Einstein did say if he believed in a God it would be the "God of the Dutch philosopher Spinoza, who was a deist. Einstein was rather vague about his belief in the divine seemly vacillating from that of an outright atheist to a that of a deist
Thank you for providing that caveat now. Note that before, in the context of evangelizing for a specific religion with a personalized deity, you presented Einstein's words as if they supported that religious belief.
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The perverted idea that atheism is good and right and all religion is wrong and destructive are just historical nonsense?
I am defending Christianity only!
(My Quote=Alan McDougall)
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http://inplainsite.org/html/atheism_or_christianity.html
The statistics that are the result of irreligious genocide stagger the imagination.
Make note that these deaths were the result of organizations or points of view or ideologies that had left God out of the equation. None of these involve religion. And all but the very last actually assert atheism.
A blight on Christianity? Certainty. Something wrong? Dismally wrong. A tragedy? Of course. Millions and millions of people killed? No. The numbers are tragic but pale in comparison to the statistics of what non-religion criminals have committed.
My point is not that Christians or religious people aren't vulnerable to committing terrible crimes. Certainly, they are. But it is not religion that produces these things; it is the denial of Biblical religion that generally leads to these kinds of things. The statistics that are the result of irreligious genocide stagger the imagination.
My source is The Guinness Book of World Records. Look up the category "Judicial" and under the subject of "Crimes: Mass Killings," the greatest massacre ever imputed by the government of one sovereign against the government of another is 26.3 million Chinese during the regime of Mao Tse Tung between the years of 1949 and May 1965. The Walker Report published by the U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary in July 1971 placed the parameters of the total death toll in China since 1949 between 32 and 61.7 million people. An estimate of 63.7 million was published by Figaro magazine on November 5, 1978.
In the U.S.S.R. the Nobel Prize winner, Alexander Solzhenitsyn estimates the loss of life from state repression and terrorism from October 1917 to December 1959 under Lenin and Stalin and Khrushchev at 66.7 million.
Finally, in Cambodia (and this was close to me because I lived in Thailand in 1982 working with the broken pieces of the Cambodian holocaust from 1975 to 1979) "as a percentage of a nation's total population, the worst genocide appears to be that in Cambodia, formerly Kampuchea.
According to the Khmer Rouge foreign minister, more than one-third of the eight million Khmer were killed between April 17, 1975, and January 1979. One-third of the entire country was put to death under the rule of Pol Pot, the founder of the Communist Party of Kampuchea.
During that time towns, money and property were abolished. Economic execution by bayonet and club was introduced for such offenses as falling asleep during the day, asking too many questions, playing non-communist music, being old and feeble, being the offspring of an undesirable, or being too well educated. In fact, deaths in the Tuol Sleng interrogation center in Phnom Penh, which is the capital of Kampuchea, reached 582 in a day."
Then in Chinese history of the thirteenth to seventeenth centuries there were three periods of wholesale massacre. The numbers of victims attributed to these events are assertions rather than reliable estimates. The figures put on the Mongolian invasion of northern China from 1210 to 1219 and from 1311 to 1340 are both on the order of 35 million people. While the number of victims of bandit leader Chang Hsien-Chung, known as the Yellow Tiger, from 1643 to 1647 in the Szechwan province has been put at 40 million people.
China under Mao Tse Tung, 26.3 million Chinese. According to the Walker Report, 63.7 million over the whole period of time of the Communist revolution in China. Solzhenitsyn says the Soviet Union put to death 66.7 million people. Kampuchea destroyed one-third of their entire population of eight million Cambodians. The Chinese at two different times in medieval history, somewhere in the vicinity of 35 million and 40 million people.
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Just because they did things you don't like doesn't make them non-Christian.
They no longer prayed to or worshipped the Holy Trinity in Nazism. Hitler wished for sake of persuasion to his cause, that Germany was Islamic. From Mein Kampf. He hated the conscience of Jews and Christians. I saw the translation of one of his speeches. Nazism rejected Christianity, and the periphery, JWs...
If Christians don't like something, it could be that it rejects Christ's qualities, love, compassion, conscience, truth. Then it is not Christian.
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Just because they did things you don't like doesn't make them non-Christian.
They no longer prayed to or worshipped the Holy Trinity in Nazism. Hitler wished for sake of persuasion to his cause, that Germany was Islamic. From Mein Kampf. He hated the conscience of Jews and Christians. I saw the translation of one of his speeches. Nazism rejected Christianity, and the periphery, JWs...
If Christians don't like something, it could be that it rejects Christ's qualities, love, compassion, conscience, truth. Then it is not Christian.
You seem to be saying a lot of historically inaccurate things about the Nazis. I'm sorry that it makes Christianity look bad. The killing of people and the advocacy of killing people that Christians do in the USA currently makes Christianity look bad too. However, ignoring the facts doesn't help anyone.
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The perverted idea that atheism is good and right and all religion is wrong and destructive are just historical nonsense?
I am defending Christianity only!
Congratulations, you can cut and paste.
That atheists have done bad things doesn't absolve religious people from doing bad things. It doesn't absolve Christians from trying to deceive people into thinking non-Christians were Christians.
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You seem to be saying a lot of historically inaccurate things about the Nazis. I'm sorry that it makes Christianity look bad. The killing of people and the advocacy of killing people that Christians do in the USA currently makes Christianity look bad too. However, ignoring the facts doesn't help anyone.
I honestly never heard the idea before, that Nazism was Christian. I only heard of some pastors who supported it, misusing the Bible.
The Pope had to apologize for not doing and saying more against it at the time. Apologies to the Jewish leadership.
Bonhoeffer and other Christians worked against it in Germany.
But to the point, where is there the quotation perhaps from an historian saying Nazism was or claimed to be Christian?
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This wikipedia article says a few things about Nazis and religion, that they were against Christians and were a cult, so it was like religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#Religious_aspects_of_Nazism
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So by your perverse reasoning, anyone who believes in God is a simpleton making you an atheist by default into a highly intelligent exalted enlightened being. There are countless scientists that by comparison to you, with IQ's that far exceed yours that believe in a creator, God.
Here is just one list of them?
http://www.famousscientists.org/25-famous-scientists-who-believed-in-god/
There's nothing perverse about my reasoning. In fact, everything I said there is right. You simply can't handle it.
And I said an advanced alien race would view us as simpletons due to our reliance on religion to explain reality. And they would. And I don't necessarily fault some of these scientists, due to the mass brainwashing they were subjected to both by family and society. And We've learned much since then, and now know that silly magic man in the sky isn't required to explain anything. I mean, like friggin anything at all. Just a completely outdated concept. But unfortunately, most alive right now still were subjected to the mass brainwashing at a time when the silly little magic man in the sky was still necessary, so it will take a few generations for the new awareness to take over. But mark my words, it will. Every advanced race as it progresses, as it learns, will ultimately toss religion aside as an explanation for anything, if they had ever adopted the silliness to begin with. Because with knowledge, with awareness, comes the realization that it is nothing more than a fairy tale for children, and a crutch for those too weak to handle that we are merely alone, on our own, in the vast great universe.
There is no 'god'. That's a fact to those of us that have become aware. And no, atheism doesn't make one into a super intelligent exalted being. But those that find atheism through enlightenment are definitely more aware of reality than those still trapped in the delusions of religion. That is fact as well. And when I say there is no god, I mean no god in any sort of an established religion sense, in a "oh magic man in the sky hear my prayers" sense. I won't rule out there being some sort of what I call 'fabric of wisdom' that's inherent throughout everything. But it definitely wouldn't be sentient or able to actively assist you in any way, or kill some while letting others live, or knock up some virgin just so he could have his subjects kill the baby years later so that the kid can fly sideways off the earth into 'heaven' (I love that flying sideways imagery, looking from space, as the mere mortal dude jesus 'ascended' to heaven lmao. My sons crack up at that too!), so that all sinners who then believed in this malarkey would automatically be forgiven for their many transgressions. It really is all quite silly.
But brainwashing is also a quite powerful manipulator, that can take hold in even the brightest minds. And mental weakness, the inability to handle the concept of being alone and on our own, is so strong an influence in most as well. So yeah, I totally understand why so many are slaves to the silliness. But that doesn't make it any less silly. And the aliens would still find them all to be as simple as we view cavemen to be. And oh, not that it matters all that much, but I've had several professional IQ tests done throughout my life (yes, real, hours long, in a sound proof room IQ tests) that placed me higher than Einstein and wayyyyy into the genius category. Deal with it. But nah, I'm nowhere near as accomplished as he, so I would never claim to be smarter. But awareness is my forte, this vision to see things for what they are, to just 'know' certain things. Hence, my moniker and identity. I have it for a reason. And that deep beyond what you could ever possibly see awareness gift that I have, shows me without doubt the silliness of religion in our society. How feeble and weak an explanation it is. How Science has since overcome it and how it technically will be on its way out.
Those that believe are dinosaurs. They have only so much more time left to roam. But the world will be ruled by atheism, science, logic and reality, in due course. It will take a few more generations, but the process has begun. And though you don't realize it, can't probably comprehend it, that is actually a very, very good thing. There is no good that religion can provide that atheism can't. But so much more devastation, evil deeds, ignorance, bias and hatred that religion is guilty of that atheism finds no need for. Atheism is a good thing. god and religion is not. And one last statement, you said something about us only being biological beings. Well guess what, that is all we are. You show yourself guilty of the mental weakness I referenced above merely by stating your aversion to the concept, as if it would be such a horrible thing to have to accept. But that's your brainwashing talking. Cause there's nothing wrong with the concept at all. Especially since it couldn't be a more factual statement. For we are but merely biological beings, of which the universe could give a rat's fat ass about, we live, do some stuff, we die, we're done. That's life. Get over it.
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There is no god and Richard Dawkins is his prophet?
A modern day Evangelist doing to others what he despises in them, forcing his beliefs down their throats a prime example of a hypocrite, what is he trying to achieve? He should go home and spend valuable time with his family and grandchildren, instead of going all over the world, convincing the already converted, who already are atheists like him.
If nothing else, there's one thing that I learned in this life which I know to be true and that's that you can't change a persons beliefs about God by presenting a logical argument.
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So by your perverse reasoning, anyone who believes in God is a simpleton making you an atheist by default into a highly intelligent exalted enlightened being. There are countless scientists that by comparison to you, with IQ's that far exceed yours that believe in a creator, God.
Here is just one list of them?
http://www.famousscientists.org/25-famous-scientists-who-believed-in-god/
There's nothing perverse about my reasoning. In fact, everything I said there is right. You simply can't handle it.
And I said an advanced alien race would view us as simpletons due to our reliance on religion to explain reality. And they would. And I don't necessarily fault some of these scientists, due to the mass brainwashing they were subjected to both by family and society. And We've learned much since then, and now know that silly magic man in the sky isn't required to explain anything. I mean, like friggin anything at all. Just a completely outdated concept. But unfortunately, most alive right now still were subjected to the mass brainwashing at a time when the silly little magic man in the sky was still necessary, so it will take a few generations for the new awareness to take over. But mark my words, it will. Every advanced race as it progresses, as it learns, will ultimately toss religion aside as an explanation for anything, if they had ever adopted the silliness to begin with. Because with knowledge, with awareness, comes the realization that it is nothing more than a fairy tale for children, and a crutch for those too weak to handle that we are merely alone, on our own, in the vast great universe.
There is no 'god'. That's a fact to those of us that have become aware. And no, atheism doesn't make one into a super intelligent exalted being. But those that find atheism through enlightenment are definitely more aware of reality than those still trapped in the delusions of religion. That is fact as well. And when I say there is no god, I mean no god in any sort of an established religion sense, in a "oh magic man in the sky hear my prayers" sense. I won't rule out there being some sort of what I call 'fabric of wisdom' that's inherent throughout everything. But it definitely wouldn't be sentient or able to actively assist you in any way, or kill some while letting others live, or knock up some virgin just so he could have his subjects kill the baby years later so that the kid can fly sideways off the earth into 'heaven' (I love that flying sideways imagery, looking from space, as the mere mortal dude jesus 'ascended' to heaven lmao. My sons crack up at that too!), so that all sinners who then believed in this malarkey would automatically be forgiven for their many transgressions. It really is all quite silly.
But brainwashing is also a quite powerful manipulator, that can take hold in even the brightest minds. And mental weakness, the inability to handle the concept of being alone and on our own, is so strong an influence in most as well. So yeah, I totally understand why so many are slaves to the silliness. But that doesn't make it any less silly. And the aliens would still find them all to be as simple as we view cavemen to be. And oh, not that it matters all that much, but I've had several professional IQ tests done throughout my life (yes, real, hours long, in a sound proof room IQ tests) that placed me higher than Einstein and wayyyyy into the genius category. Deal with it. But nah, I'm nowhere near as accomplished as he, so I would never claim to be smarter. But awareness is my forte, this vision to see things for what they are, to just 'know' certain things. Hence, my moniker and identity. I have it for a reason. And that deep beyond what you could ever possibly see awareness gift that I have, shows me without doubt the silliness of religion in our society. How feeble and weak an explanation it is. How Science has since overcome it and how it technically will be on its way out.
Those that believe are dinosaurs. They have only so much more time left to roam. But the world will be ruled by atheism, science, logic and reality, in due course. It will take a few more generations, but the process has begun. And though you don't realize it, can't probably comprehend it, that is actually a very, very good thing. There is no good that religion can provide that atheism can't. But so much more devastation, evil deeds, ignorance, bias and hatred that religion is guilty of that atheism finds no need for. Atheism is a good thing. god and religion is not. And one last statement, you said something about us only being biological beings. Well guess what, that is all we are. You show yourself guilty of the mental weakness I referenced above merely by stating your aversion to the concept, as if it would be such a horrible thing to have to accept. But that's your brainwashing talking. Cause there's nothing wrong with the concept at all. Especially since it couldn't be a more factual statement. For we are but merely biological beings, of which the universe could give a rat's fat ass about, we live, do some stuff, we die, we're done. That's life. Get over it.
I have no difficulty handling what you say, I just disagree with you, how do you did you dig up that my disagreement is somehow bound up with not accepting your "Truth" , which is not my truth but yours?
It is a matter of opinion your reasoning is perverse and that is my stated opinion. You simply cannot alter reality by disbelief or belief reality, remain unaffected by what we believe or do not believe.
We know our universe is almost unimaginable ancient when compared to our the history of our civilisation. Thus it is logical given the vast boundless universe of untold billions of stars and even more planets that there might be other civilisation a billion years in advance of ours.
And they would have absolutely no problem convincing you they were Almighty God or make you bow down and worship them as deities.
So why not go a step further and imagine an intelligence that is beyond human comprehension , that has created the universe, set its boundaries and mathematic laws in which to sustain its existence.
If you could go back to the middle ages, with all the paraphernalia of our modern world and demonstrate some of it on the primitives, they would bow down and worship you as God incarnate.
God is just a huge extrapolation on that reasoning. Our universe is bound up by cause and effect, but it can't go back forever at some point the must be something everlasting outside the confines of time an "Uncaused Cause" of all existence and that my friend is the Almighty God who you so passionately dispise.
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False Advisors Teachers and Their Destruction
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction is soon unless they wake up in time and repent (Change and embrace all that is good and righteous)
This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh and despise the authority of Almighty God.
They are bold and arrogant, But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals, they too will perish.
They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse do what the like regardless, in the dark and even in broad daylight. They are full of blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast. With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood!
They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam Satan son of Bezer,[f] who loved the wages of wickedness.
They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.”
My Comments =Alan McDougall below
"If you have read this through then you will be without excuse on the Great Judgement Seat of Almighty God"
Fear God because he is a consuming fire, it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the "Living God" The beginning of wisdom is the fear of God. The Devil believes in God and he trembles. Vengeance is mine says the Lord God I will punish the wicked and I will reward those that do good and are righteous in their ways.
I am the Alpha and the Omega the Beginning and the End "I was" "I am" and "I always will be"
I am "The Ever- Existing One", my existence does not depend on your belief in me!
I gave you life and some of you are so arrogant that you spat it back at me.
There is a way that seems right to mere mortal man but the end thereof leads to his destruction (Eternal Death in hell)
I set before you two paths, one leads to life, the to other death, you choose which one you want to travel down.??????????????
If God does not intervene in this sick world very soon, he would have to go back and apologise to Sodom and Gomorrah?
You might think you can do anything you like, but in that you are sadly mistaken, you will account for every action or inaction, every thought to a Holy and Righteous God who gave you life and a free will to choose goodness or evil.
Put you trust in Ricard Dawkins and I will put my trust in he who holds the universe in the palms of his hypothetical hands.
God is not a man , God is a Spirit, just because you cannot see him does not mean he does not exist, in fact, you exist inside the confines of Almighty God, something like fish does in the ocean and is not aware of the fact. He is all around you but you cannot see him or conceive of who he is because what separated you from him "is infinity".
Alan
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Blah blah blah blah. God is nothing, a nobody, a pos creation of the weak that causes the weak to commit evil in his name. No good comes from that pos. Only evil. Atheism is superior by far. By far.
God isn't real, not in the sense that you perceive him to be anyway. That much is fact. Yes, fact. All those with heightened intellectual awareness know this. He's a nothing, a nobody, a figment of imagination. We live, we die, we're done. Period. Religion is for the weak. Those that believe are dinosaurs, and will be going extinct just the same. Maybe then as a society we can finally progress. Cause all religion does is hold our intellect back. But no, he isn't real, he isn't a spirit, he exists not at all. When you die soon (you're old right?) you're gonna be sooooo damn disappointed lol.
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Blah blah blah blah. God is nothing, a nobody, a pos creation of the weak that causes the weak to commit evil in his name. No good comes from that pos. Only evil. Atheism is superior by far. By far.
God isn't real, not in the sense that you perceive him to be anyway. That much is fact. Yes, fact. All those with heightened intellectual awareness know this. He's a nothing, a nobody, a figment of imagination. We live, we die, we're done. Period. Religion is for the weak. Those that believe are dinosaurs, and will be going extinct just the same. Maybe then as a society we can finally progress. Cause all religion does is hold our intellect back. But no, he isn't real, he isn't a spirit, he exists not at all. When you die soon (you're old right?) you're gonna be sooooo damn disappointed lol.
Keep on keeping on blah blah blahing yourself right into hell because you are making a great effort at achieving this!
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So by your perverse reasoning, anyone who believes in God is a simpleton making you an atheist by default into a highly intelligent exalted enlightened being. There are countless scientists that by comparison to you, with IQ's that far exceed yours that believe in a creator, God.
Here is just one list of them?
http://www.famousscientists.org/25-famous-scientists-who-believed-in-god/
There's nothing perverse about my reasoning. In fact, everything I said there is right. You simply can't handle it.
And I said an advanced alien race would view us as simpletons due to our reliance on religion to explain reality. And they would. And I don't necessarily fault some of these scientists, due to the mass brainwashing they were subjected to both by family and society. And We've learned much since then, and now know that silly magic man in the sky isn't required to explain anything. I mean, like friggin anything at all. Just a completely outdated concept. But unfortunately, most alive right now still were subjected to the mass brainwashing at a time when the silly little magic man in the sky was still necessary, so it will take a few generations for the new awareness to take over. But mark my words, it will. Every advanced race as it progresses, as it learns, will ultimately toss religion aside as an explanation for anything, if they had ever adopted the silliness to begin with. Because with knowledge, with awareness, comes the realization that it is nothing more than a fairy tale for children, and a crutch for those too weak to handle that we are merely alone, on our own, in the vast great universe.
There is no 'god'. That's a fact to those of us that have become aware. And no, atheism doesn't make one into a super intelligent exalted being. But those that find atheism through enlightenment are definitely more aware of reality than those still trapped in the delusions of religion. That is fact as well. And when I say there is no god, I mean no god in any sort of an established religion sense, in a "oh magic man in the sky hear my prayers" sense. I won't rule out there being some sort of what I call 'fabric of wisdom' that's inherent throughout everything. But it definitely wouldn't be sentient or able to actively assist you in any way, or kill some while letting others live, or knock up some virgin just so he could have his subjects kill the baby years later so that the kid can fly sideways off the earth into 'heaven' (I love that flying sideways imagery, looking from space, as the mere mortal dude jesus 'ascended' to heaven lmao. My sons crack up at that too!), so that all sinners who then believed in this malarkey would automatically be forgiven for their many transgressions. It really is all quite silly.
But brainwashing is also a quite powerful manipulator, that can take hold in even the brightest minds. And mental weakness, the inability to handle the concept of being alone and on our own, is so strong an influence in most as well. So yeah, I totally understand why so many are slaves to the silliness. But that doesn't make it any less silly. And the aliens would still find them all to be as simple as we view cavemen to be. And oh, not that it matters all that much, but I've had several professional IQ tests done throughout my life (yes, real, hours long, in a sound proof room IQ tests) that placed me higher than Einstein and wayyyyy into the genius category. Deal with it. But nah, I'm nowhere near as accomplished as he, so I would never claim to be smarter. But awareness is my forte, this vision to see things for what they are, to just 'know' certain things. Hence, my moniker and identity. I have it for a reason. And that deep beyond what you could ever possibly see awareness gift that I have, shows me without doubt the silliness of religion in our society. How feeble and weak an explanation it is. How Science has since overcome it and how it technically will be on its way out.
Those that believe are dinosaurs. They have only so much more time left to roam. But the world will be ruled by atheism, science, logic and reality, in due course. It will take a few more generations, but the process has begun. And though you don't realize it, can't probably comprehend it, that is actually a very, very good thing. There is no good that religion can provide that atheism can't. But so much more devastation, evil deeds, ignorance, bias and hatred that religion is guilty of that atheism finds no need for. Atheism is a good thing. god and religion is not. And one last statement, you said something about us only being biological beings. Well guess what, that is all we are. You show yourself guilty of the mental weakness I referenced above merely by stating your aversion to the concept, as if it would be such a horrible thing to have to accept. But that's your brainwashing talking. Cause there's nothing wrong with the concept at all. Especially since it couldn't be a more factual statement. For we are but merely biological beings, of which the universe could give a rat's fat ass about, we live, do some stuff, we die, we're done. That's life. Get over it.
I have no difficulty handling what you say, I just disagree with you, how do you did you dig up that my disagreement is somehow bound up with not accepting your "Truth" , which is not my truth but yours?
It is a matter of opinion your reasoning is perverse and that is my stated opinion. You simply cannot alter reality by disbelief or belief reality, remain unaffected by what we believe or do not believe.
We know our universe is almost unimaginable ancient when compared to our the history of our civilisation. Thus it is logical given the vast boundless universe of untold billions of stars and even more planets that there might be other civilisation a billion years in advance of ours.
And they would have absolutely no problem convincing you they were Almighty God or make you bow down and worship them as deities.
So why not go a step further and imagine an intelligence that is beyond human comprehension , that has created the universe, set its boundaries and mathematic laws in which to sustain its existence.
If you could go back to the middle ages, with all the paraphernalia of our modern world and demonstrate some of it on the primitives, they would bow down and worship you as God incarnate.
God is just a huge extrapolation on that reasoning. Our universe is bound up by cause and effect, but it can't go back forever at some point the must be something everlasting outside the confines of time an "Uncaused Cause" of all existence and that my friend is the Almighty God who you so passionately dispise.
Even if this line of reasoning were strong, it would not follow that the "God" imagined would have ay of the characteristics that lead people to take up any kind of values. It would not promote anything like Christianity and it would not promote the oppression and murder of homosexuals and women.
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So by your perverse reasoning, anyone who believes in God is a simpleton making you an atheist by default into a highly intelligent exalted enlightened being. There are countless scientists that by comparison to you, with IQ's that far exceed yours that believe in a creator, God.
Here is just one list of them?
http://www.famousscientists.org/25-famous-scientists-who-believed-in-god/
There's nothing perverse about my reasoning. In fact, everything I said there is right. You simply can't handle it.
And I said an advanced alien race would view us as simpletons due to our reliance on religion to explain reality. And they would. And I don't necessarily fault some of these scientists, due to the mass brainwashing they were subjected to both by family and society. And We've learned much since then, and now know that silly magic man in the sky isn't required to explain anything. I mean, like friggin anything at all. Just a completely outdated concept. But unfortunately, most alive right now still were subjected to the mass brainwashing at a time when the silly little magic man in the sky was still necessary, so it will take a few generations for the new awareness to take over. But mark my words, it will. Every advanced race as it progresses, as it learns, will ultimately toss religion aside as an explanation for anything, if they had ever adopted the silliness to begin with. Because with knowledge, with awareness, comes the realization that it is nothing more than a fairy tale for children, and a crutch for those too weak to handle that we are merely alone, on our own, in the vast great universe.
There is no 'god'. That's a fact to those of us that have become aware. And no, atheism doesn't make one into a super intelligent exalted being. But those that find atheism through enlightenment are definitely more aware of reality than those still trapped in the delusions of religion. That is fact as well. And when I say there is no god, I mean no god in any sort of an established religion sense, in a "oh magic man in the sky hear my prayers" sense. I won't rule out there being some sort of what I call 'fabric of wisdom' that's inherent throughout everything. But it definitely wouldn't be sentient or able to actively assist you in any way, or kill some while letting others live, or knock up some virgin just so he could have his subjects kill the baby years later so that the kid can fly sideways off the earth into 'heaven' (I love that flying sideways imagery, looking from space, as the mere mortal dude jesus 'ascended' to heaven lmao. My sons crack up at that too!), so that all sinners who then believed in this malarkey would automatically be forgiven for their many transgressions. It really is all quite silly.
But brainwashing is also a quite powerful manipulator, that can take hold in even the brightest minds. And mental weakness, the inability to handle the concept of being alone and on our own, is so strong an influence in most as well. So yeah, I totally understand why so many are slaves to the silliness. But that doesn't make it any less silly. And the aliens would still find them all to be as simple as we view cavemen to be. And oh, not that it matters all that much, but I've had several professional IQ tests done throughout my life (yes, real, hours long, in a sound proof room IQ tests) that placed me higher than Einstein and wayyyyy into the genius category. Deal with it. But nah, I'm nowhere near as accomplished as he, so I would never claim to be smarter. But awareness is my forte, this vision to see things for what they are, to just 'know' certain things. Hence, my moniker and identity. I have it for a reason. And that deep beyond what you could ever possibly see awareness gift that I have, shows me without doubt the silliness of religion in our society. How feeble and weak an explanation it is. How Science has since overcome it and how it technically will be on its way out.
Those that believe are dinosaurs. They have only so much more time left to roam. But the world will be ruled by atheism, science, logic and reality, in due course. It will take a few more generations, but the process has begun. And though you don't realize it, can't probably comprehend it, that is actually a very, very good thing. There is no good that religion can provide that atheism can't. But so much more devastation, evil deeds, ignorance, bias and hatred that religion is guilty of that atheism finds no need for. Atheism is a good thing. god and religion is not. And one last statement, you said something about us only being biological beings. Well guess what, that is all we are. You show yourself guilty of the mental weakness I referenced above merely by stating your aversion to the concept, as if it would be such a horrible thing to have to accept. But that's your brainwashing talking. Cause there's nothing wrong with the concept at all. Especially since it couldn't be a more factual statement. For we are but merely biological beings, of which the universe could give a rat's fat ass about, we live, do some stuff, we die, we're done. That's life. Get over it.
I have no difficulty handling what you say, I just disagree with you, how do you did you dig up that my disagreement is somehow bound up with not accepting your "Truth" , which is not my truth but yours?
It is a matter of opinion your reasoning is perverse and that is my stated opinion. You simply cannot alter reality by disbelief or belief reality, remain unaffected by what we believe or do not believe.
We know our universe is almost unimaginable ancient when compared to our the history of our civilisation. Thus it is logical given the vast boundless universe of untold billions of stars and even more planets that there might be other civilisation a billion years in advance of ours.
And they would have absolutely no problem convincing you they were Almighty God or make you bow down and worship them as deities.
So why not go a step further and imagine an intelligence that is beyond human comprehension , that has created the universe, set its boundaries and mathematic laws in which to sustain its existence.
If you could go back to the middle ages, with all the paraphernalia of our modern world and demonstrate some of it on the primitives, they would bow down and worship you as God incarnate.
God is just a huge extrapolation on that reasoning. Our universe is bound up by cause and effect, but it can't go back forever at some point the must be something everlasting outside the confines of time an "Uncaused Cause" of all existence and that my friend is the Almighty God who you so passionately dispise.
Even if this line of reasoning were strong, it would not follow that the "God" imagined would have ay of the characteristics that lead people to take up any kind of values. It would not promote anything like Christianity and it would not promote the oppression and murder of homosexuals and women.
You do not know or could know the thoughts and minds of a sentient being from a civilisation a billion years in advance of ours so your statement is meaningless speculation. We might be like cockroaches are to us, to be stepped on in disgust?
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You do not know or could know the thoughts and minds of a sentient being from a civilisation a billion years in advance of ours so your statement is meaningless speculation. We might be like cockroaches are to us, to be stepped on in disgust?
That was my point.
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We know our universe is almost unimaginable ancient when compared to our the history of our civilisation. Thus it is logical given the vast boundless universe of untold billions of stars and even more planets that there might be other civilisation a billion years in advance of ours.
And they would have absolutely no problem convincing you they were Almighty God or make you bow down and worship them as deities.
They would have all sorts of trouble convincing me of such. I'd be intelligent enough to know that they're like, just really intelligent and stuff. I would also probably feel more like I'm home, rather than stuck on a planet of retarded monkeys as I oftentimes feel lol. But I bow down to no one. Ever. Period.
So why not go a step further and imagine an intelligence that is beyond human comprehension , that has created the universe, set its boundaries and mathematic laws in which to sustain its existence.
Wait... did you just tell me to imagine something beyond human comprehension??? Hmmmm... Paradox...
If you could go back to the middle ages, with all the paraphernalia of our modern world and demonstrate some of it on the primitives, they would bow down and worship you as God incarnate.
That's cause I'm awesome...
God is just a huge extrapolation on that reasoning. Our universe is bound up by cause and effect, but it can't go back forever at some point the must be something everlasting outside the confines of time an "Uncaused Cause" of all existence and that my friend is the Almighty God who you so passionately dispise.
This couldn't be further from the truth. God is no such thing. And the god you reference, the god you always speak of, the silly non existent god of established religion, is no such thing. And I wouldn't criticize anyone for holding that specific point of view, in fact, I've even repeatedly said I make no claims to knowing that such a type of god doesn't exist, but that it would have zero to do with established religion, and it wouldn't be sentient nor able to answer prayer. But you can't ascribe to the god of religion, try and cram it down our throats repeatedly even, then try and come off reasonable with the above as your defense. Cause we know it's not what you truly believe. But I would make a few points of note on the statement anyway though. First off, yes, it can go back forever. No, there doesn't have to be something everlasting whatsoever (that's fact). And furthermore, though there can be an uncaused cause, if there was a specific cause it still doesn't mean for even a second that there would be a darn thing almighty about it at all. Nor that it had to be sentient, or intelligent, or anything more than merely, well, a cause. And no, that is not the god I despise, you are wrong there. I would not despise such a god. I despise the god of religion. The fake god. The one that doesn't exist. The one that's used for so much evil, the one with its silly laws, and contradictory rules, that supposedly decides what babies live, whose wives die (yes I'm a widower), and that considers people every bit as decent and admirable as anyone else to be sinners and worthy of contempt or death. The little silly magic man in the sky that people give up their strength to, that they hold responsible for everything, that they thank for everything (the doctor didn't save their life right? But god. So ridiculous), the god that rules politics, and keeps society from so much intellectual advancement. That is the god I so passionately despise. The crutch of a god, the god that causes a block of true intellect and vision. That is not the god you are referencing above, even if I still disagree with your reasoning for it.
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You do not know or could know the thoughts and minds of a sentient being from a civilisation a billion years in advance of ours so your statement is meaningless speculation. We might be like cockroaches are to us, to be stepped on in disgust?
In my humble opinion no species, regardless of how advanced they are, would ever think of stepping on a sentient intelligent being. Its the intelligence that sets us apart from cockroaches, not how advanced we are.
Its been theorized that the human race is no longer evolving so in a billion hears humans will be about the same as they are now. Evolution works by natural selection. Those beings which can't adapt to their environment die out while mutations of the species which are better adapted live on. However since we now control our environment using heat during the winter and AC during the summer and we use technology to adapt to other changes in the environment rather than relying on mutations there won't be a chance for our species to evolve. At least not according to this particular aspect of the theory of evolution. I read this in the book What Evolution Is[/] by Ernst Mayr, Science Masters Series (2002). It makes perfect sense to me.