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WOW, is amazing to see "Old School" scientist types defend a dying form. But I put alot of thought into QM as do many others. In fact so many other science types do, Intel is releasing a new microchip based on QM fundamentals. This chip is 2x as powerful as the current Pentium IV chip and is half the size. It is to take over the market by august, since it is half the price of the best pentium chip available.Computer chips will be slashed almost in half!
Nanotechnology is a huge and emerging market. Of which all nanotech is based soley on QFoQR theorem.
Another great works of QM is the cure of the disease that causes ovarian cancer. Genetics! What more "proof" does one need! Old school science has nothing on the DNA strands that are defined as 1,0,0,1,1,1,0,1,0,1,1,0,1 ect.
To any of the old school ideologists I would recommend going back to school and getting up to speed. There are alot of young scientists out there revolutionizing all aspects of our world. Get with the program!!
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Sorry for the double post! On a side note I notice that those who stick to old science beliefs do so concurrently to bash a religion or faith. To do such isnt science! Science is here to promote and allow man to grow/prosper! It is a tool to help our lives get better! While some science is double-edged good and bad for the most we use it for the good. It is a logical choice to look into all probabilities of thought. As a scientist you are always looking for something new, something that can be created with benefit! Science always grows as we do! If it didnt we would still be the equivalent of a cave man!
Some who retain old thoughts stay that way his/her whole life. Its a comfort zone!
As to a revolutionary scientist, you think they stayed in a comfort zone? No those types are the ones who took risks, who do the great miracles. Did I expect to see a cure for some forms of cancer? Did I expect to see a car run of waste products actually work? In my lifetime! As to me did I expect to see a adhesive stick to human tissue without a reaction to either the bond or tissue itself? Thus giving way to one of the most common forms of heart surgery in the world, Angioplasy!
In the past 20 years there have been so many revolutionary ideas that have formed our current technology that to name just a few scientists as being above the rest would be shallow. We as scientists, researchers, technicians, do so to benefit our race!
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I guess what I will never believe about physics, no matter what, is that its nature is non deterministic. Lets say someone tips a traffic cone upside down, draws a straight line of sidewalk chalk, so it intersects with the middle of the cone. Then he asks me which way is the cone going to fall? I would respond, shoot I dont know, there are a number of factors. Maybe the way you release it, the wind, the uneveness of the base, one side of the cone might be slightly heavier, the light from the sun, uneveness of the pavement, heck maybe that pesky aether really does exist and alters the fall. There are so many little things that could affect it I surely dont know. He then replies, no your wrong, there is a fifty pecent chance that it will fall one way, and a fifty percent chance it will fall the other. Its been proven, they have labratories that can eliminate all of those forces. It still has a fifty percent chance of falling one way or the other. And its been applied too, they have betting machines in vegas, and they always work perfectly. Its been proven over and over and over. I say, yeah but there are still so many little factors. He says, no, even with one hundred percent accuracy, it always falls one way or the other 50% of the time. Its a proven theory.
Is this traffic cone analogy any different than qm's probabilistic nature? No, I dont think so, there are so many little things that could affect a fundamental particle by the tiniest amount, the arrogance of scientists to think that they can control EVERYTHING. Just because we havent discovered a small force responsible for the apparent actions of particles at the smallest scales, doesnt mean there is no force.
Here Ive got a few that maybe could possible explain its fundamental probabilistic actions. Granted they havent been discovered yet, maybe there are more fundamental particles bombarding the others from all directions? maybe charge is carried out in little bundles from all over the universe. Maybe distance at the finest scales is somewhat quantized. Maybe newtons first law is only relevant over long periods of time. Maybe acceleration is played out in quantized bunches. Who the hell knows? How can you rule out EVERYTHING!!!! Proving something has a chance to be here or a chance to be here, is like proving there are no aliens anywhere.
Oh but its been proven, they have quantum computers.
I blame the arrogance of modern day scientists to admit they dont know. I blame the general public, who control their salaries, and their status and credability. I blame this thinking at least partially, for slowing physics in the last 30 years in particular.
But you know, its nobodies fault, the knack for the creation of theoretical physics is a very rare and powerfull ability indeed. And the masses just cant understand
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And Im not really an old school scientist, stuck in my old ways. Im only 19.
And I forgot one other person to blame, William Shatner. You'd be amazed how much modern physics was created by star trek.......yes......star trek
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this is reminding me of the einstein/neils bohr discussion about quantum theory. einstein provided practically the same argument you did about probability, saying that there are unlimited tiny forces effecting what side a di(one dice, not a typo) lands on, so it can be determined through conventional physics, like all probability. "go does not play dice with the universe"
unfortunately i agree with the counter-argument, which states that untill all those tiny forces can be controled in an experiment, (which i truly believe they cant, because theres too many to account for) its more accurate to work with probablity instead of determinism. "dont tell god what to do with his dice"
this is probably full of factual errors but i think i got the core of it correct.
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Its perfectly okay to use probability to predict the outcome of an event when you dont know, why the outcome happens, or all the necessary variables to predict the outcome.
For example I am a poker player. I base nearly all my decisions on the probabilities of certain cards coming, and the probabilities of my opponents cards coming. If Im waiting for a flush, and I need a spade, its perfectly fine to calculate the odds of me getting it. But Im not about to write a physics law that says each card has a, 1 in whatever chance of coming. I know there is only one unchanging, non-random, card on top of the deck, if the dealer deals a 7 of hearts, that means there was a 100% chance that a seven of hearts would come. If you reverse time and deal them again, its would still be a seven of hearts. The seven of hearts was placed on top of the deck by the dealer. If you could calculate all the little forces the dealer put on all the cards, you could determine with complete accuracy where each card is.
Im saying, it's fine to calculate the odds of each card coming for your benefeit, Its not fine to say even if you knew all the tiny forces the dealer is applying to the cards, they are still random.
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And the counter argument doesnt say, untill all the tiny forces are controled, we can use probabilities. It says even if all the tiny forces are controlled, there are still probabilities.
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17/07/2006 09:14:59 »
i see what you mean. im not sure all physics works like a deck of cards though. but more often than not, it pretty much does
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