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Title: QotW 20.12.21 - Can you get DNA from ashes?
Post by: Adam Murphy on 21/12/2020 18:15:02
Paul's been in touch to ask

"I was wondering if it was possible to get DNA out of crematorium ashes. Could you get any information about the person such as weight or height, from their ashes?"

We'll be answering this question on the show, but what do you think?
Title: Re: QotW 20.12.21 - Can you get DNA from ashes?
Post by: chiralSPO on 21/12/2020 19:02:09
DNA should not survive cremation at all.

You might be able to get some information about mineral content, isotope ratios of non-volatile elements etc. but this is probably not going to be particularly useful for anything. One could imagine detecting the presence of metallic poisons (like arsenic, or thallium, etc.) even after cremation, but the dosage would need to be pretty high, and one would need to know what they're looking for...

Title: Re: QotW 20.12.21 - Can you get DNA from ashes?
Post by: LaurenaS on 17/01/2021 20:02:21
From what I know, the ashes have to contain at least some bone or teeth fragment to be able to be tested.
Title: Re: QotW 20.12.21 - Can you get DNA from ashes?
Post by: Bored chemist on 18/01/2021 09:16:02
From what I know, the ashes have to contain at least some bone or teeth fragment to be able to be tested.
You can test them for mineral composition, but you won't find any DNA.
The minerals may be able to exclude an identity, but they can't confirm it.
Title: Re: QotW 20.12.21 - Can you get DNA from ashes?
Post by: searchingscience on 11/02/2021 19:11:08
DNA degrades when it gets burnt. Any DNA is thus destroyed by the process of cremation. As mentioned before, there could potentially be some DNA in the teeth and bones. This could be viable for an analysis.
Title: Re: QotW 20.12.21 - Can you get DNA from ashes?
Post by: LookOut2021 on 12/02/2021 10:48:14
DNA degrades when it gets burnt. Any DNA is thus destroyed by the process of cremation. As mentioned before, there could potentially be some DNA in the teeth and bones. This could be viable for an analysis.

Yeah, but a professional cremation should not leave such fragments behind. Of course in certain instances like a police investigation such things can become very helpful, but even when there's still a corpse left, it's still pretty hard to find DNA that survived the heat.
Title: Re: QotW 20.12.21 - Can you get DNA from ashes?
Post by: ScienceMann on 14/02/2021 22:15:09
As already mentioned, I also believe that DNA should be difficult to find after the cremation. As the temperatures reached inside the cremation are very high and in combination with the pulverization it may be very hard to extract DNA
Title: Re: QotW 20.12.21 - Can you get DNA from ashes?
Post by: Bored chemist on 15/02/2021 08:55:57
" Can you get DNA from ashes?"
No.


The end.
Title: Re: QotW 20.12.21 - Can you get DNA from ashes?
Post by: Zer0 on 20/02/2021 22:07:37
Still pondering over the thought...

Ashes of an infant vs teenager vs adult vs old...

Would the total residual weight of the ashes(without bones) be able to
provide a distinction between the above classes of different ages?

If the OP would have Specified a CSI type investigation...then Surely even without the bones, one could atleast figure out the height & approx weight of the ashed out individual, Right?

& Also...can there be a distinction made between amphibian, reptilian & mammalian ashes if all the samples are of equal mass/weight?

ReEdit - Can someone plz plz answer these questions, my curiosity is killin me maan!
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