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Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: SFMA on 09/05/2008 19:56:22
One of my research shows that the time moves fastest the further up we go in the outer space. It gradually slows down to the earth. And virtually it reduces down to zero at the centre of the earth. There are two reasons physical and principle.

Physically when we look up towards the sky we see the horizon the widest and the earth being smallest. The constant spin inside a natural body gets stronger from the surface of the earth the more inward it goes it widens up to such a gigantic space that it’s motions no longer can curve or appear. But it exists. This infinite spin within a natural body is widely known.

The principle reason being is because there is a halt in the centre of the earth. It is not pulling like it did originally. There is a loop at the very heart of the centre of the earth.
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: DoctorBeaver on 09/05/2008 23:41:10
Quote from: SFMA on 09/05/2008 19:56:22
One of my research shows that the time moves fastest the further up we go in the outer space.

Interesting claim - but totally untenable. No matter where you are in the universe, time will appear to you to pass at exactly the same rate as everywhere else.

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The constant spin inside a natural body gets stronger from the surface of the earth the more inward it goes it widens up to such a gigantic space that it’s motions no longer can curve or appear. But it exists. This infinite spin within a natural body is widely known.

I haven't a clue what you mean by that. "Infinite spin"? I am at a total loss as to how whatever that is can exist. As for it being widely known - widely known by whom? I've never seen it mentioned in any scientific literature.

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The principle reason being is because there is a halt in the centre of the earth. It is not pulling like it did originally. There is a loop at the very heart of the centre of the earth.

Again, I haven't a clue what you mean.
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: Bored chemist on 10/05/2008 18:08:46
"Interesting claim - but totally untenable. No matter where you are in the universe, time will appear to you to pass at exactly the same rate as everywhere else"
Sure about that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
However, I'd love to know what research has been done on anything at the centre of the earth.
The idea that time slows down to a halt there isn't sensible. While it's true that clock high above the centre of the earth run slightly faster because there's less gravity  (which slows them down) it's also true that a clock down a mine would run slightly faster because there's less gravity there too. At the centre of the earth a clock should run at the same speed as on in freefall.
 I guess we can safely assume that time behaves itself in the middle of the earth.
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: SFMA on 12/05/2008 00:02:25
Time passes at the same rate up to the surface of the centre of the earth. But it slows down from the very interface to the innerspace of the centre of the earth.

The innerspace represents the wider extents of the centre of the earth. When we discover a small component of a matter it shows the innerspaces within it is bigger the smaller the component is. Then when the centre of the earth is the base, the full circle of all the matters the innerspace of the centre of the earth bound to to be the biggest innerspace there exists. 
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: science_guy on 12/05/2008 00:10:10
with the trend of less gravity/faster time, in order for the time trend to reach zero in the center of the earth, you would need the oppisite for gravity, which would be infinite.

seeing as how we're not a black hole, I'm thinking that there is time in the center of the earth.
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: Bored chemist on 12/05/2008 21:45:26
I think this "When we discover a small component of a matter it shows the innerspaces within it is bigger the smaller the component is." is only true of Dr Who's TARDIS.
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: SFMA on 12/05/2008 23:18:30
Quote from: Bored chemist on 12/05/2008 21:45:26
I think this "When we discover a small component of a matter it shows the innerspaces within it is bigger the smaller the component is." is only true of Dr Who's TARDIS.
If we look for a while on the Power of Ten Ruler, which shows the things in terms of centimetres. It shows that the radius of earth is 1010 cm, radius of the sun is 1110, the solar system is 1510 and the visible Universe is 2810 cm. And the Universe is getting bigger. These are the expansions of the outer space. Simultaneously there is however, a constantly expanding inner space shows by the ruler.

Some of the very small things we can see are hairsbreadth which is –210, living cell is –310 and bacteria –410cm. The inward from the molecule, which is –710 cm is the Inner Space. The smallest particle discovered inside a body so far is called quark. No one with the microscope has seen it yet. It’s understood by its up and down movement. Its size is -1710 cm. The calculation is that its much smaller then the distance between the earth to sun which is 1310 even smaller then the whole solar system that’s 1510 cm. Inevitably what this means is there is inner space within the quark that is bigger the solar system itself. And that is within a little matter of the earth. Moreover, reseach shows that there is even a smaller particle known as superstring and sized it at –3510 cm. It combines all the natural forces including gravity. The pinpoint is the size –3510 is much smaller than the Universe, which mount at 1810. So the equation is a matter of the earth with a superstring in its innermost is truly bigger then the Universe! There is a similar inner world within the world. It couldn’t be a more amazing world!
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: science_guy on 13/05/2008 04:05:56
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If we look for a while on the Power of Ten Ruler, which shows the things in terms of centimetres. It shows that the radius of earth is 1010 cm, radius of the sun is 1110, the solar system is 1510 and the visible Universe is 2810 cm. And the Universe is getting bigger. These are the expansions of the outer space. Simultaneously there is however, a constantly expanding inner space shows by the ruler.

are you sure you have those measurements right? by that measurement, the sun is only 10000000000 (errm... give or take a 0, but you get the point) centimeters wider than the earth... and it's more...

did you get your exponents and bases mixed up?
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: SFMA on 28/05/2008 16:08:29
More than anything else, it seems we are not getting quite close
to discover where in deed the Centre of the Earth is. Dose any one know
where it is?
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: BenV on 28/05/2008 17:36:18
Would I be wrong in assuming it falls on the line directly between my location here, and a corresponding location on the opposite side of the globe?  Roughly half way along that line?
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: SFMA on 28/05/2008 18:38:38
Quote from: BenV on 28/05/2008 17:36:18
Would I be wrong in assuming it falls on the line directly between my location here, and a corresponding location on the opposite side of the globe?  Roughly half way along that line?
It remains me of a folk story I heard long ago. Then the king ordered his high prist to find for him the centre of the earth. The prist asked for a week or so to make his discovery. Then he came back and said to the king  the centre of the earth is found. And that is at the yeard of the King's Royale Place. 
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: Bored chemist on 28/05/2008 20:51:42
"we are not getting quite close to discover where in deed the Centre of the Earth is. Dose any one knowwhere it is?"
Yes, get a bunch of people with plumb lines. follow the lines to the point where they meet.
(Am I missing something, or was that a totally trivial question?)
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: lyner on 29/05/2008 00:03:26
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At the centre of the earth a clock should run at the same speed as on in freefall.
There is zero gravitational potential when at the centre of the Earth so you would really expect a clock in that position to run at the same rate as a clock out in deep space.
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: lyner on 29/05/2008 00:05:59
Because the Earth is not uniform, plumblines hung near its surface will not all point to the same place. If you happen to be near a large mountain, a plumbline will lean towards the large local mass, slightly, and not to the centre of (mass of) the Earth.
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: SFMA on 29/05/2008 14:12:59
Quote from: sophiecentaur on 29/05/2008 00:05:59
Because the Earth is not uniform, plumblines hung near its surface will not all point to the same place. If you happen to be near a large mountain, a plumbline will lean towards the large local mass, slightly, and not to the centre of (mass of) the Earth.
So the difficulties finding the centre of the earth remains?
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: lyner on 29/05/2008 15:04:30
Fraid so.
Just imagine that you were on the Moon and you wanted to find the centre of mass of the Earth/Moon system. A plumbline would point to the centre of the Moon (downwards but a bit off to one side in the direction of Earth)
And, of course, the presence of the Moon would affect our Earthbound friends with thei plumblines.
Anywhay, 'which' centre did you want to find? (That's not a frivolous question, btw,)
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: SFMA on 29/05/2008 15:21:34
Quote from: sophiecentaur on 29/05/2008 15:04:30
Anywhay, 'which' centre did you want to find? (That's not a frivolous question, btw,)
The exact Centre of the Earth. Some claims that the great Pyramid is built at the centre of
the earth. I don't agree. Would you agree or disagree for what reasons?
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: BenV on 29/05/2008 16:12:13
Quote from: SFMA on 29/05/2008 15:21:34
Quote from: sophiecentaur on 29/05/2008 15:04:30
Anywhay, 'which' centre did you want to find? (That's not a frivolous question, btw,)
The exact Centre of the Earth. Some claims that the great Pyramid is built at the centre of
the earth. I don't agree. Would you agree or disagree for what reasons?

Isn't it obvious?  The Great Pyramid is on the surface, and so almost exactly as far away from the centre as anything else is. (Give or take the height of the odd mountain.)
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/05/2008 18:51:02
"There is zero gravitational potential when at the centre of the Earth so you would really expect a clock in that position to run at the same rate as a clock out in deep space"
A clock in deep space would be in freefall.
OK the intersection of the pendula needs a bit of averaging but the idea's simple enough. Anyway it's not some magical place where clocks stop.
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: lyner on 30/05/2008 00:36:16
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A clock in deep space would be in freefall.
The gravitational field strength would be very small so clock speed would be 'unaffected'.

And the clocks would be going faster at the centre than on the Earth's surface.

The great pyramid was, no doubt, the centre of someone's 'world'. There's a little house in Brighton UK which is the centre of mine!
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: SFMA on 31/05/2008 17:10:08
Quote from: sophiecentaur on 30/05/2008 00:36:16
The great pyramid was, no doubt, the centre of someone's 'world'. There's a little house in Brighton UK which is the centre of mine!
And where would be the centre of the planet earth?
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: Bored chemist on 31/05/2008 18:11:31
About 6400Km underneath you, assuming you are on the planet earth which may be debatable.
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: SFMA on 02/06/2008 11:09:57
That's probably the right distance from where I am in London. However
I was talking about the centre on the surface of the earth.
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: lyner on 02/06/2008 14:09:26
So where could the centre of the surface of a sphere be? Equidistant from the edge of the surface, I suppose. Take care not to walk over the edge when you find it.
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: SFMA on 02/06/2008 14:22:17
I will remember it!
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: Bored chemist on 02/06/2008 19:14:26
Ah! I see what you are asking.
The answer's easy.
The Greewnwich observatory on the outskirts of London. That's where logitudes are measured from so it must be the starting point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Observatory%2C_Greenwich
OK, that's this thread done.
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: lyner on 03/06/2008 09:58:55
Or 'starting line'?
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: Bored chemist on 03/06/2008 19:49:07
No, it's the starting point. The Greenwich meridian goes North and South from it. :-)
Title: Time and the Centre of Earth
Post by: lyner on 04/06/2008 23:45:03
I don't believe there is an actual 'point' there. It's just a line drawn on the floor and the definition of the lattitude at Greenwich is quite another matter.