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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: suhail jalbout on 17/07/2022 08:29:29
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DOES ETERNAL AWARENESS ENERGY EXIST?
BY SUHAIL JALBOUT
I come from a religious family where I was taught to turn the other cheek and to forgive and forget. I have tried to implement these principles throughout my life and will continue to do so. As I began to study science in High School, I became aware of the gap between what religion teaches and what science questions. Religion is based on faith while science on proof. Since then, I have been trying to figure out a way that would explain the discrepancies between the two. Recently, I have come up with an explanation which I would like to share with you.
To reach an accord to the discrepancies between religion and science, I ventured to answer the following two questions:
1. Did energy exist from eternity?
2. Does energy have awareness?
ETERNAL ENERGY
About two years ago, I posted in the Naked Science Forum a hypotheses titled “Origin of our Universe”, please refer to pages (1) and (3) reply (# 54).^1 The conclusion that I came up with is that big bang black holes form universes and universes form big bang black holes, a complete close loop. This means that energy always existed and alternates between two forms. Since energy and mass are interrelated, then matter also existed from eternity. In fact, Einstein’s equation E = mc^2 does not only inform us that mass is energy, but it also indicates that energy and mass are all that ever existed. They have existed from eternity because energy can neither be created nor destroyed.^2
The question “where did energy come from or how it came to be?” is meaningless. For if we assume that it was created by a creator, we can then ask: who created the creator? The answer will be another super creator. This logic can go on and on until we reach a creator that creates but is not created. It was mentioned above that “energy cannot be created nor destroyed”, so, the initial uncreated energy may be called “the eternal energy”.
ETERNAL AWARENESS ENERGY
One human characteristic is the need to “lean on” an entity. This need started with the caveman and continued to the present time. This means eternal energy alone will not satisfy the conscious brain of modern man unless it has awareness. If it is possible to show that matter has awareness, then for sure energy will also have it.
There are so many articles and theories that discuss the relationship between consciousness and matter. One such theory that has recently started to gain momentum is called Panpsychism.^3 The theory claims that consciousness is not just a property of the brain but rather a property of everything in the universe. Traces of this theory can be found in Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, and in the philosophy of ancient Greece. I think that whereas the word consciousness applies only to brains, the word awareness is relevant to animate and inanimate matter. We are the species that discovered the universe and we are conscious of its and our existence. However, we cannot expect matter to be conscious of its existence. Consciousness is not just seeing, hearing, and touching, it is also the response to change and external stimuli. Since we, humans, are the ones that have to decide whether matter has awareness, we must observe the behavioral changes of matter under various conditions.
Everything that exists in the universe receives specific types of energy signals. The targeted matter understands the signals in its own special way and responds to that type of communication. Studying the responses of different types of matter to their specific signal or communication demonstrates to us that matter does in fact have awareness. Consequently, I shall start with animate matter followed by inanimate matter to show that both have awareness.
ANIMATE MATTER
Animate Matter with brains. It is obvious that all living forms with brains have awareness. They receive outside communication signals which they understand and respond to. However, there are living forms that do not have brains, yet they do respond as explained below.
Animate Single Cells. The most amazing phenomenon about single cells is their control system. They maintain a potential differential across their membrane. If their potential changes, the cell receives the signal, recognizes the action to undertake, and responds to it. It opens its ion channel ports to allow ions to leave or to enter the cell. Once the potential returns back to its normal status, the cell closes its ports.
Brainless Animals. Simple creatures that cannot generate enough energy to sustain a brain, survive without it. Such creatures are jellyfish, sponges, sea stars, sea cucumber, sea lily, and coral. They only need the most rudimentary biological devices to sense external communication signals such as light, danger, and water currents. These devices are very simple sensors that allow them to detect external signals and respond to them in order to survive.
Trees. Trees communicate with each other through their root network. For example, an infected tree sends distress signal to its neighboring trees. They receive the signal, understand its implications, and respond to it by altering their behavior.^4 .
Roses. I recently experimented in my garden with roses. I planted non-climber roses near a wall and planted in front of them high shrubs to prevent sunlight from reaching the roses. To my surprise, the roses sensed that they were deprived from Sun energy and responded by growing way above the shrubs thus becoming climbers.
Carnivorous Plants. The carnivorous plants attract, trap, consume, and digest insects and small reptiles and animals by their ingenious pitfalls and traps.^5 They sense the presence of their pray and then respond to it. They kill the pray and absorb their nutrients. Most carnivorous plants can grow without consuming their pray but if they do, they grow and reproduce much faster.
From the forgoing, it seems that animate matter has awareness.
INANIMATE MATTER
It is a more challenging task to show that inanimate matter has awareness. The type of communication signals that they respond to are much less than those for animate matter. The most logical procedure to show the awareness of inanimate matter is by giving examples from sub-atomic particles to macro objects ending by solids, liquids, and gas.
Quantum World & Golden Ratio. It seems that the golden ratio was discovered in the quantum world. “Researchers from the Helmholtz-Zentrum Berlin fur Materialien und Energie (HZB), in cooperation with colleagues from Oxford and Bristol Universities, as well as the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, UK, have for the first time observed a nanoscale symmetry hidden in solid state matter. They have measured the signatures of a symmetry showing the same attributes as the golden ratio. ”^6 Their frequencies (pitch) are in the ratio of (1.618) which is the golden ratio. How is this possible if they did not receive and respond to an external energy?
Electrons. An electron is a stable subatomic particle with a negative charge. According to Coulomb’s law, a French physicist, particles with same electric charge repel each other while particles with opposite charge attract each other. So, when an electron approaches a negatively charged particle, it receives a repelling signal and respond to it, and vice versa.
Atoms. When an atom loses an electron, it becomes a positively charged ion. But when it picks up an extra electron, it becomes a negatively charged ion. The ions behave in the same way as electrons with respect to encountering each other.
Photons. According to the theory of relativity, the gravitational force from huge stars, galaxies and star clusters can curve the fabric of space-time. This will cause the light that passes near them to bend from its usual straight path. This phenomenon happens because the beam of light receives an external powerful signal and responds to it.
Moon/Earth. Scientists believe that the Moon is spiraling at present away from the Earth. If that is the case, then the Moon was at a much nearer distance to Earth when the solar system was born 4.6 billion years ago. It is now receding at a rate of 3.8 cm per year, whereas, it was receding, at the time the solar system was born, at the rate of 10 km per year. Let us assume that the Moon was receding from Earth at an average rate of 5 cm during its life time. This would mean that the Moon had recessed, to date by 230,000 km. The Moon’s closest perigee is 356,000 km. So, the minimum distance that ever occurred between the Earth and the Moon was 135,000 km. At such a distance, the gravitational force between the two would have been at least 7 times the present one. Tidal waves are caused by the Moon’s gravitational forces. This means the oceans will receive the changes of the Moon’s gravitational forces and respond to them by reducing the strength of the tidal waves.
Planets. All the planets revolve around the sun in defined orbits. If for any reason a planet is dislodged nearer or farther away from the Sun, all the other planets will receive the new gravitational fields and respond by re-adjusting their trajectory around the Sun.
Sun, The Sun has a solar cycle of approximately 11 years whereby its magnetic field flips from north to south and vice versa.^7 This happens because the Sun’s inner magnetic dynamo receives energy signals to which it responds by re-organizing itself. The Sun’s output energy as well as its gravitational force effects Earth’s climate. The Earth has three cycles called Milankovitch cycles.^8 They are: orbital eccentricity, axial tilt and axial precession.
The orbital path of the Earth around the Sun changes. It goes from a near circle to a pronounced ellipse. The duration it takes from a low eccentricity to a high, and back again to a low, is 100,000 years. This means, due to the orbital eccentricity, the distance of Earth from the Sun varies with time causing climatic changes.
The axial tilt of the Earth is the main reason for having the four seasons. The angle of the axial tilt is not constant; it changes between 22.5 and 24.5 degrees. The calculated period for the axial tilt to change from 22.5 to 24.5 and back to 22.5 is 41,000 years. It is believed that the 2 degrees shift in tilt causes climate changes on Earth.
The top of the Earth’s axis moves and traces an imaginary circle every 26,000 years, known as axial precession. Because of this wobbling effect, it is believed, climate changes occur on Earth.
When Earth receives changes from the Sun in output energy or gravitational forces, it responds to them by adjusting its three cycles accordingly.
Black Holes Black holes release bursts of energy at regular intervals. This phenomenon is confirmed in the paper “black holes are the rhythm at the heart of galaxies”.^9 It reads as follows:
“The powerful black holes at the center of massive galaxies and galaxy clusters act as the hearts to the systems. The black holes pump energy out at regular intervals to regulate the growth of the black hole themselves, as well as star formation, according to new data from NASA’s Chandra X-ray Observatory, Scientists from the University of Michigan, the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Germany, the University of Maryland, Baltimore County (UMBC), the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and Jacobs University in Germany contributed to the results”. This probably indicate that black holes have awareness.
Solids, Liquids and Gas respond to different types of incoming energies. Temperature causes them to expand and contact or to change their property. For example water can be solid, liquid or vapor depending on the temperature command. Pressure changes gas into liquid. Resonant frequencies can shatter glass or collapse a bridge. Flash points ignite solids, liquids and gases. Earth’s magnetic field leaves in volcanic lava its imprint direction whether from north to south or vice versa. Also electrical potential can cause gas to glow.
It seems that both inanimate and animate matter have awareness which means that energy has it also. This result leads to the following equation:
Eea = Mea x C^2
Where,
Eea = eternal awareness energy
Mea = eternal awareness mass
I think the function of Eea is different from the function of Mea. Eea is the commander while Mea is the executioner. The relationship can be envisaged as an open loop control system. Eea can be represented by a master controller while Mea can be represented by many sub-controllers. The master controller sends different types of energy commands to the sub-controllers. The subs receive them, understand their language (addresses) in their own way and then respond to the command. This means that Mea exists everywhere inside and outside animate and inanimate matter. There is no need to look for it because it exists in you and me.
It is quite possible that Eea alternates between two forms. One is in a black hole in which it hibernates for billions of years after consuming all what exists. At some point in its life, it decides to have a massive expansion thus creating a universe, being the second form. When the universe starts losing its energy, to possibly neighboring universes, it expands. Ultimately, it joins other neighboring universes overloading them with energy. The excess energy that these universes receive will cause them to collapse into one or many black holes. These cycles keep on repeating. This means that all what exists in any universe is a by-product of Eea.
It took 9.2 billion years to create our solar system and another 4.6 billion years to create our species. We live on a grain of sand that provide us with all the necessities for survivor. It is about time for the conscious brains of humans to seek the eternal awareness energy in order to re-circuit their neurons so that they can start their inner most “powerful generator of love” that Einstein mentioned in a letter to his daughter. We are all born equal and we need the energy of love, “the most powerful force there is, because it has no limits”, to heal the world.^10
REFERENCES
1.https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=78427.0
2.https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/energy-can-neither-be-created-nor-destroyed/
3.https://mindmatters.ai/2020/05/why-is-science-growing-comfortable-with-panpsychism-everything-is-conscious/
4. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-whispering-trees-180968084/
5. https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/carnivorous-plants-meat-eaters-of-the-plant-world.html
6. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100107143909.htm
7. https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/solar-cycles/en/
8. https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Milankovitch_cycle
9. http://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008cxo..pres...15./abstract
10. https://thriveglobal.com/stories/a-letter-from-albert-einstein-to-his-daughter/
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Since then, I have been trying to figure out a way that would explain the discrepancies between the two.
Did you consider that the reason why they disagree is that religion is just stuff that people made up thousands of years ago?
"DOES ETERNAL AWARENESS ENERGY EXIST?"
Energy is the capacity to do work.
If something can't be used to lift a weight then it isn't energy.
"Awareness" can't lift a brick from the floor onto a table.
So it is not a form of energy.
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Science: observe, hypothesise, test, repeat. Scientific knowledge is the residue of explanatory and predictive hypotheses that have not been disproved by experiment.
Religion: invent a reason why people should hate others and do as you tell them. Dismiss critics with violence.
There is no common ground.
It is true that the followers of some faiths eschew violence and generally try to be helpful towards others, but you don't need an invented reason for this: homo sapiens is necessarily a collaborative species. It is also true that at least the Abrahamic faiths assert that there is a order in the universe, and much of science seems to confirm that, but they also assert purpose, for which there is no scientific evidence.
Energy: a conserved quantity with dimension ML2T-2. An extremely useful bit of physics that is applied by practically every other scientist and engineer, and is utterly misunderstood by almost everyone else.
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Energy is a concept connected to space-time. Photons, for example, have wavelength and frequency that are connected in proportion to the speed of light. Photo energy connects, measures of time and distance, like the concept of space-time.
Religion and the concepts of God and eternal thought, are not connected to space-time. They are more connected to the upper limits of space-time, where space-time breaks down, into separated time and separated space, that are independent of each other.
If we could move in time, without the constraint of space, one would know the simultaneity of the entire universe at any given time. This is classically called omniscience. If one could move in space without the constraint of time, one can be anywhere and everywhere in space, all at the same time. This is classically called omnipresence. All I am doing is extrapolating the current theory of space-time, beyond its mathematical limits. This gives my discussion some simple math support.
In this theoretical realm, where space and time are not connected, instead of energy; wavelength-frequency; one would have wavelength unattached to frequency, and frequency not attached to wavelength. This is not exactly energy, except at random temporary intersections. That realm will appear to be nothingness in space, with maybe zero point energy, in terms of space-time concepts. This other realm is not part of space-time, but it is more fundamental. Space-time is a unique subset of that realm.
As an example of these concepts, already used in science, the inflation period of the early universe would have been an example of some extra distance potential; space independent of time, added to space-time, to allow an affect that appears to move our space-time based universe faster than the speed of light, after it left the mother realm. But space-time took over after a short period of time to slow this down.
The laws of physics being the same in all space-time references; Einstein, is an example of time, not dependent on space; omniscience affect. An example, of a pure omnipresent affect, is how the universe is thought to expand in all directions, from all points, at the same time.
In terms of consciousness, I can use my imagination to fly to the sun with wings of wax in one second. I can then burrow though all the inner layers of sun, to the core, where I will lay down my beach blanket to get a nice solar fusion tan. This scenario cannot occur in space-time, since it violates all types of space-time relationships and material limitations in space-time.
However, may imagination can still generate such scenarios beyond space-time, since the movement of data in my frontal lobe is not limited to just space-time relationships. The biochemistry and mechanics of my brain and my frontal lobe are limited by matter and space-time. But data relationships driven by my ego are not. In my example of the fusion tan, one would need some degree of time and space not connected, to be able to escape the limits of space-time; imagination, so that the data can go even where the laws of physics no longer apply.
If I was a development engineer, who needed to build a bridge across a large span, I could come up with a wet noodle bridge design. However, although my imagination can do this, I would need to limit my imagination to just those relationships that are within the sciences of space-time. There could be endless scenarios, but only a limited few will work in space-time, unless I use my imagination, to design new materials and techniques that are not yet in existence; outside of this time within space-time.
The realm of space without time and time without space, would more like universal consciousness and information that can be connected in all ways practical and impractical. Space-time would be a unique junction, where the two; independent space and independent time, criss-cross their paths and linger at a temporary point of intersection.
Space without time and time without space allows one to create the universe before time. From universal consciousness, appeared physical reality and space-time. This which evolved until physical reality creates life and then consciousness. Consciousness learns to transcended space-time, via the imagination; human mind. Now a bridge is build back to the mother ship. Religion are there, to help one practice.
In the realm where space and time are not connected, anything is possible; universal imagination. What this implies is, this realm would be a place of infinite complexity and therefore maximum entropy. Conceptually it creates the push and pull that is behind the 2nd Law seen by space-time.
There is a natural drive in space-time to unfold into the blueprints of higher complexity. Entropy is a state variable, meaning for any given state of matter there is a specific value of entropy. The entropy of water at 25C is a constant, with this constant the same; timeless, even in the early universe before water existed. It was part of the blueprint within infinite complexity.
The laws of physics, the same in all references, still applies to things that are not there, but may be, someday; liquid water on a molten planet. There is a mixture of omniscience and omnipresence overlapping space-time.
Since an intersection of independent space and independent time, will place a limit on local entropy; less complex junction, the result will be highly exothermic; lowers entropy. Entropy is not energy, but rather entropy is energy divided by temperature. A small amount of informational entropy, from the other realm, times the extreme temperature of the primordial atom, becomes a lot of free energy for the universe. The universe will appear as something from nothing, since it begins without energy, but only a blue print of information. Thereafter, it evolves to go back from where it came.
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They are more connected to the upper limits of space-time,
No
They are more connected to fairy stories.
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They are more connected to the upper limits of space-time,
No
They are more connected to fairy stories.
This model was derived by plugging in the speed of light into the three equations for Special Relativity; mass, distance and time. We will get division by zero.
Relativistic mass is conceptually the easiest to see. Mass becomes infinite. This value of infinite mass is the same for any amount of rest mass. This discontinuity has been inferred to mean that mass cannot move at the speed of light in a finite universe. Mass is only an attribute of space-time. Mass does not exist at or beyond the discontinuity at c.
I will also add, that space-time gets its capacitance from mass. General Relativity does not work at zero mass, but as we add mass we can create any space-time reference. These frames of reference can linger in space-time because mass was made to linger in time. This can be explained with my model.
The same discontinuity at c, should also be true for distance and time or both space and time will not exist, as we know it, at and beyond the speed of light. The question was, how would you model distance and time at and beyond the discontinuity at c?
The easiest way, to stay consistent with known observations, was for the concept of space-time to break down, since this concept is how we interpret and measure the concepts of distance and time. If you disconnect them, their behavior is no longer the same, but the concepts can still be used, since they are classics; recycled.
The most logical way to interpret space-time breaking down was for time to become independent of space, and space to become independent of time. This realm, beyond space-time, would not be limited by the speed of light, since speed is distance divided by time; d/t is a space-time concept. It does not apply at and beyond the discontinuity of space-time.
If one could move in space, without the constraint of time, you could be anywhere and everywhere, in an instant of time; omnipresent. The speed of light is not a limiting factor beyond c. The concept of the universe expanding in all directions, at all points, is a type of omnipresent concept. This is easy to model with this model and predicted by it.
You guys are sort of catching up, but are still afraid to take a deep dive. If you had an open mind, you would ask questions and not just stick your head in the sand and yell go away. That is not scientific.
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This model was derived by plugging in the speed of light into the three equations for Special Relativity; mass, distance and time. We will get division by zero.
You posted that before.
It is still nonsense.
Why have you posted it again?
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This model was derived by plugging in the speed of light into the three equations for Special Relativity
Please don't hijack threads to try and sell you pet ideas. Your whole post is completely off topic.
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This model was derived by plugging in the speed of light into the three equations for Special Relativity
Please don't hijack threads to try and sell you pet ideas. Your whole post is completely off topic.
He’s been warned about this before, but is determined to ignore the warnings.
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ADDENDUM
The objective of the OP is to close the gap between religion and science visa vise the origin of the universe by showing that energy exists from eternity and that it has awareness. In order to have further support to the OP, I considered the values of the universal constants that are necessary to form a universe. For example, the value of the gravitational constant (G) should fall within a specific range (X) in order for a universe to form. The gravitational force (F) is given by the following equation:
F= G x (M1 x M2 / d^2)
If (M1 x M2 / d^2) is unchanged, then the value of (F) depends on the value of (G).
1-If (G) < (X), then the mass from the expanded black hole will disperse in space. This means a universe will not form. The possibility is remote because our universe exists.
2-If (G) > (X), then the mass from the expanded black hole will fall back on itself forming a new black hole. This phenomenon will keep on repeating and thus a universe will not form. Again the possibility is remote because our universe exists.
3-If (G) = (X), then the mass from the expanded black hole will form a universe. In this case, the black hole will only expands after a time frame in order to have (G) = (X). How is this possible unless the black hole has awareness dictated by Eea? I wonder if there is a mathematical equation that gives the relationship between the value of the gravitational constant, Eea, and the mass of a black hole and its time before expanding.
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How is this possible unless the black hole has awareness dictated by Eea?
"If you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!"
from
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle
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The objective of the OP is to close the gap between religion and science
It cannot be done. Religion is about controlling human behavior through superstition. Science is about enhancing it through knowledge.
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Hello Suhail & Welcome back to the Forum!
I know about a Fantastic Creation Hypothesis... would You be Interested in Knowing?
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The objective of the OP is to close the gap between religion and science visa vise the origin of the universe by showing that energy exists from eternity and that it has awareness. In order to have further support to the OP, I considered the values of the universal constants that are necessary to form a universe. For example, the value of the gravitational constant (G) should fall within a specific range (X) in order for a universe to form.
You are making a huge assumption. That assumption is that the universe was formed for us (or for life in general). There is no evidence to support that assumption.
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Dear Origin
I do not think that the universe was formed for us or for life in general. For if it was formed for us, then why it took 13.8 billion years to create our species?
It seems that the dynamics that take place inside a black hole determine the outcome after its expansion. If (G) is more than (X), there will be no more universes and no more black holes. If (G) is less than (X), then the black hole will cycle and there will be no more universes. This will indicate that there is only one alternative and that is to form a universe with the correct range of the universal constants irrespective whether life of any kind can evolve in it or not. The challenge is to form a mathematical equation in order to show the relationship between what goes on inside a black hole and the universal constants after it expands.
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@ Zer0
Thank you for your proposition. I think it is more logical to post the hypothesis in a Religion Forum. Please let me know where it will be posted to read.
Thank you again
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@ Zer0
Thank you for your proposition. I think it is more logical to post the hypothesis in a Religion Forum. Please let me know where it will be posted to read.
Thank you again
I'm curious.
How did you ever come to the conclusion that you should use the resources of a science forum to post something which is fundamentally anti-science?
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It seems that the dynamics that take place inside a black hole determine the outcome after its expansion.
First of all the universe did not come from a black hole. A black hole is an object that exists in the universe. Black holes do not expand.
This will indicate that there is only one alternative and that is to form a universe with the correct range of the universal constants irrespective whether life of any kind can evolve in it or not
So what. If gravity was repulsive the universe would be different. If any physical constant was different the universe would be a very different place. The constants are what they are and this is the universe we have, if the constants were different there would be a different universe. Saying the constant are the 'correct' constants assumes that this is the universe that is the supposed to exist and you can't know that, you can only believe that.
The challenge is to form a mathematical equation in order to show the relationship between what goes on inside a black hole and the universal constants after it expands.
Black holes don't expand and black holes do not 'make' universal constants.
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@ Zer0
Thank you for your proposition. I think it is more logical to post the hypothesis in a Religion Forum. Please let me know where it will be posted to read.
Thank you again
Hi again Suhail & Thanks for responding.
Sorry, but i shall Not be posting it on a Religious Forum.
Because I visit None.
A Science Forum is the Only Credible place where i have observed Subject Matter Experts claiming to Not Know Everything & still feel good about saying it.
Religion Claims to know it All.
Hence leaves no room for Curiosity.
Science Claims to show how Little it knows with a possibility of how much it can know for sure..
Hence Curiosity & Imagination can bud & blossom in it.
Anyways, the supposed Hypothetical Creation Hypothesis is Not my own.
Infact the Originator of the Thought was just exercising his Creativity at Storytelling.
It's just in my Own Personal Opinion, i consider it as Creation Hypothesis, for me Personally it is the most valid one out of the many others.
When i came across your OP & read it.
I just couldn't help myself but think about the Storyteller & his Tales.
I felt somewhere his Imagination and your way of Thinking to be meeting up at a cordial agreement point of sorts.
I Respect your Decision & hence will Not post it in here.
Tc!
P.S. - Only when you Say & Admit that you Do Not Know, does the Possibility of Knowing Arises.
(random internet quote)
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Dear Zer0
I am extremely touched by your response that I can only say I am SORRY
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Dear Zer0
I am extremely touched by your response that I can only say I am SORRY
I find that a bit odd.
Why do you Apologize?
What for?
You haven't done anything Wrong or made any Mistake or said anything Incorrect.
P.S. - ?