Thank you, Chris!
If you mean the picture of the White Sea, it can be seen.
Once a year, in the delta of the Northern Dvina, during the spring high tides, the tides disappear mysteriously for several days, sometimes even for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature. But at the same time, the sleeves of the delta of the Northern Dvina are flooded with broken ice and forest, 10-15 km long and 15 m high. For this reason, the flow of water in the river disappears, and with it the whirlpool at the river mouth, precessing the reflecting tidal wave.Thank you, Chris!
If you mean the picture of the White Sea, it can be seen.
I beg to differ! If it was totally obvious to me then I wouldn't have asked you for clarification!
How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear..Answer:
Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%3A%2F...%2Ftapemark.narod.ru%2Fmore%2F22.png&hash=51177848f605e43c485b21911fc0744a)
Answer:Wrong answer
The water vortex disappears.
And what disappears, ocean or gravity?Answer:Wrong answer
The water vortex disappears.
Neither- obviously.And what disappears, ocean or gravity?Answer:Wrong answer
The water vortex disappears.
But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
Have you heard of weather?But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters, once in the history of observation.
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4 times.
Question: What happened in the Bay of Fundy in one day (gravity, coastline or the inclination of the lunar orbit have changed).
In the North Sea in 1953, during the spring tide season, the northwestern storm wind caused a flood in the south of the northern sea. The sea level rose 5.6 meters above average sea level.Have you heard of weather?But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters (Once in the history of observation).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.
1. Gravitation.
2. The coastline
3. Inclination of the moon.
4. Rotational speed of the whirlpool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1869_Saxby_Gale
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953
The amplitude of the tides does not increase the wind, the wind raises the sea level.And sometimes the changes in air pressure that drive the wind also drive changes in water level which may increase or decrease the apparent tidal range.
Air pressure actually leads to a slight change in sea level, but this does not affect the amplitude of the tides.No
Air pressure in the UK has varied between about 950 to 1050 hPa so the range is about a metre.I did not know this, but this is a weighty argument.
What's more interesting is when a bulge in the sea caused by air pressure is driven into a bay of some sort- that's when you get serious changes in water level.
I did not know thisThere are many things you do not know.
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me, but I did not know that lowering the atmospheric pressure could raise the sea level by 1 meter.I did not know thisThere are many things you do not know.
Perhaps you should learn some before trying to tell everyone that they are wrong
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to meJudging by your posts they are evidently not.
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.Have you heard of weather?But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters (Once in the history of observation).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.
1. Gravitation.
2. The coastline
3. Inclination of the moon.
4. Rotational speed of the whirlpool.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.
This question please ask in my topic "Seasonal rise in sea and ocean water levels" https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74385.0Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.
Show your math.
You made the assertion in this thread, you should respond (with the math) in this thread.This question please ask in my topic "Seasonal rise in sea and ocean water levels" https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74385.0Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.
Show your math.
And here he is clogging the topic "Why are tides disappearing in some places"?
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.No
I did not know this,It seems you have yet to learn.
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me, but I did not know that lowering the atmospheric pressure could raise the sea level by 1 meter.Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.No
This is one. The effect is well known to sailors who make adjustments based on weather.The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me, but I did not know that lowering the atmospheric pressure could raise the sea level by 1 meter.Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.No
You can give a link to this information.
This question please ask in my topic "Seasonal rise in sea and ocean water levels" https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74385.0
And here he is clogging the topic "Why are tides disappearing in some places"?
The average sea level during a year is 0 cmPGA and the average air pressure is 1013 hPa. Since the air pressure normally varies between 950 and 1050 hPa during a year, the expected variation in sea level due to air pressure is between +63 cm and -37 cm around mean sea level.
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me, but I did not know that lowering the atmospheric pressure could raise the sea level by 1 meter.This question please ask in my topic "Seasonal rise in sea and ocean water levels" https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74385.0
And here he is clogging the topic "Why are tides disappearing in some places"?
So you didn't do any actual math.
The Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute confirms that a change in pressure of 1 hPa changes the sea level by 1 centimeter: https://www.smhi.se/en/theme/air-pressure-and-sea-level-1.12266QuoteThe average sea level during a year is 0 cmPGA and the average air pressure is 1013 hPa. Since the air pressure normally varies between 950 and 1050 hPa during a year, the expected variation in sea level due to air pressure is between +63 cm and -37 cm around mean sea level.
63 centimeters plus 37 centimeters is 100 centimeters (1 meter),
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me, but I did not know that lowering the atmospheric pressure could raise the sea level by 1 meter.
You can give a link to this information.
(Where you saw that this is the eighth wonder of the world)
I can post it, but I can't make you read it: https://www.smhi.se/en/theme/air-pressure-and-sea-level-1.12266I apologize for my inattention, very informative link.
Sharp fluctuations in the amplitude of tides occur not only in the Bay of Fundy, but also in other bays where rivers flow.But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters (Once in the history of observation).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.
1. Gravitation.
2. The coastline
3. Inclination of the moon.
4. Rotational speed of the whirlpool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1869_Saxby_Gale
Everyone else knows the answer.Such experts in the field of tides as Laplace, D.G. Darwin, J. Erie and others could not answer this question, and all forum participants know the answer.
Such experts in the field of tides as Laplace, D.G. Darwin, J. Erie and others could not answer this question, and all forum participants know the answer.
It's curious!
Such experts in the field of tides as Laplace, D.G. Darwin, J. Erie and others could not answer this question, and all forum participants know the answer.What is curious is that you think tidal theory stopped with Laplace et al, and you seem to be ignoring all work since a 1902 encyclopedia.
It's curious!
Who is ready to refute or recognize this theory.Sharp fluctuations in the amplitude of tides occur not only in the Bay of Fundy, but also in other bays where rivers flow.But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters (Once in the history of observation).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.
1. Gravitation.
2. The coastline
3. Inclination of the moon.
4. Rotational speed of the whirlpool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1869_Saxby_Gale
You can read the encyclopedia
https://www.encyclopedia.com/earth-and-environment/geology-and-oceanography/geology-and-oceanography/tides
https://www.1902encyclopedia.com/T/TID/tides.html
Who is ready to refute or recognize this theory.Silence of opponents shows that they do not have a constructive counterargument.
Congratulations, you are free from medieval prejudices.Yes we are, but you are notSilence of opponents shows that they do not have a constructive counterargument.Last resort of the pseudo scientist.
Answers have been provided, but ignored. No point wasting more time.
eg:Again, you are being selective with the data. If you look at a map of the world you will see that the equator passes through very few coastal places whereas the 2 temperate zones include a large number of coastal sites, so your two samples are not comparable.
As I pointed out before, your precession theory would result in larger tides at the equator than anywhere else, so the onus is on you to provide the evidence.
In reality the maximum tidal bulge follows the moon’s orbit which does not follow the equator. Many people mistakenly think it does and so make an incorrect assumption.You say your "theory" solves all the problems.Unfortunately you are avoiding answering @Bored chemist and looking at your post I can see why.
Please show us ho you would use it to calculate (as an example) the times of the next few high tides in London, New York or Barcelona or some other place where we can check.
If you can't do that then your idea doesn't even solve the simplest problem.The length of the tidal wave depends on the diameter of the whirlpool. And the height of the tidal wave depends on the rotation speed of the whirlpool of the orbital velocity of the Earth, and the time of the tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).The first problem with this formula is that it does not return an amplitude, it produces a number of square metres per second. That is clearly wrong.
A = V1 • V2 / t
where: A is the amplitude of the tidal wave (precession angle).
V1 - rotation speed of the whirlpool.
V2 is the orbital velocity of the Earth.
t - the time of tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).
Next problem involves timing:As is known, everything that rotates, including whirlpools, possess the property of a gyro (yule) to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.A rigid gyroscope on earth will indeed align itself to the sidereal day which is 4mins shorter than the solar day. However, that gives a number of problems for your theory.
If you look at the Earth from the Sun, the whirlpools, rotating together with the Earth, turn over twice a day, due to which the whirlpools precess (swing by 1-2 degrees) and reflect the tidal wave around the entire perimeter of the whirlpool.
Firstly, we know from observation that the main tide period is period is about 12hrs 25mins - half a lunar day - so two tides take 24hrs 50mins which is the average time for the Earth to rotate once relative to the Moon. This is a hugh difference from your difference of 4mins in 24hrs making your double tide period 23hrs 56mins. Clearly your predictions can never work with this theory.
Your precession theory is also flawed because we are not dealing with a rigid gyroscope, so rather than turning over the water level would rise at one edge until gravity restrained it, leading to a constant level.I have sailed in the Severn estuary several times and have yet to encounter these whirlpools you seem to think are present.They don’t exist in the channel or north sea either. He is confusing tidal wave circulation with currents and doesn’t understand the difference.
There are so many false assumptions in these various topics that is hardly worth the effort of replying, especially as the op isn’t listening and just keeps repeating the same old false claims.
I have sailed in the Severn estuary several times and have yet to encounter these whirlpools you seem to think are present.Whirlpools cyclones and anticyclones are not possible to see not armed with the eye, they are too big. And the wind and current can be seen.
The vortex theory of tides can be easily verified by the connection between the height of the tidal wave and the rotation speed of the whirlpools.Why is the height of the tides in the Baltic Sea 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of more than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm:
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasso Sea, Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Gulf of Alaska. etc..
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of less than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm:
The Baltic Sea, the Greenland Sea, the Black Sea, the Sea of Azov, the Caspian Sea, the Chukchi Sea, the Kara Sea, the Laptev Sea, the Red Sea, the Marmara Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the Sea of Japan, the Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: The height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the tides is not the same.
You seem to have answered your own question.The vortex theory of tides can be easily verified by the connection between the height of the tidal wave and the rotation speed of the whirlpools.Why is the height of the tides in the Baltic Sea 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of more than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm:
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasso Sea, Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Gulf of Alaska. etc..
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of less than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm:
The Baltic Sea, the Greenland Sea, the Black Sea, the Sea of Azov, the Caspian Sea, the Chukchi Sea, the Kara Sea, the Laptev Sea, the Red Sea, the Marmara Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the Sea of Japan, the Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: The height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the tides is not the same.
And check the rotation speed of the whirlpool (flow velocity).
http://www.bibliotekar.ru/7-more-okean/10.htm
It is believed that in the Baltic and White Sea tidal current moves from the Atlantic Ocean.It gets pulled in by the Moon's gravity.
You can explain the mechanics of this movement.
This is not an answer!You seem to have answered your own question.The vortex theory of tides can be easily verified by the connection between the height of the tidal wave and the rotation speed of the whirlpools.Why is the height of the tides in the Baltic Sea 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of more than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm:
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasso Sea, Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Gulf of Alaska. etc..
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of less than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm:
The Baltic Sea, the Greenland Sea, the Black Sea, the Sea of Azov, the Caspian Sea, the Chukchi Sea, the Kara Sea, the Laptev Sea, the Red Sea, the Marmara Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the Sea of Japan, the Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: The height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the tides is not the same.
And check the rotation speed of the whirlpool (flow velocity).
http://www.bibliotekar.ru/7-more-okean/10.htm
Google's translation of the page you cited says
"In narrow places, in straits, tidal currents reach a tremendous speed. So in the narrow part of the White Sea - in the so-called Throat - tidal currents reach a speed of 15 kilometers per hour.
What are the causes of this phenomenon?
The main culprit of the tides is the Moon and, to a lesser extent, the Sun. "
They would show up (if they existed) as they would affect the SOG (speed over ground) of a boat, and this is something sailors keep a close eye on.I have sailed in the Severn estuary several times and have yet to encounter these whirlpools you seem to think are present.Whirlpools cyclones and anticyclones are not possible to see not armed with the eye, they are too big. And the wind and current can be seen.
This is not an answer!Yes it is.
Please answer the questionThe vortex theory of tides can be easily verified by the connection between the height of the tidal wave and the rotation speed of the whirlpools.Why is the height of the tides in the Baltic Sea 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of more than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm:
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasso Sea, Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Gulf of Alaska. etc..
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of less than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm:
The Baltic Sea, the Greenland Sea, the Black Sea, the Sea of Azov, the Caspian Sea, the Chukchi Sea, the Kara Sea, the Laptev Sea, the Red Sea, the Marmara Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the Sea of Japan, the Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: The height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the tides is not the same.
And check the rotation speed of the whirlpool (flow velocity).
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png
http://www.bibliotekar.ru/7-more-okean/10.htm
Please answer the questionI did.
Please read this post carefully and you will be free from heresy.The vortex theory of tides can be easily verified by the connection between the height of the tidal wave and the rotation speed of the whirlpools.
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of more than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm:
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasso Sea, Hudson Bay, Maine Bay, Gulf of Alaska. etc..
The list of seas with an average swirl speed of less than 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm:
The Baltic Sea, the Greenland Sea, the Black Sea, the Sea of Azov, the Caspian Sea, the Chukchi Sea, the Kara Sea, the Laptev Sea, the Red Sea, the Marmara Sea, the Caribbean Sea, the Sea of Japan, the Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: The height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the tides is not the same.
Please read this post carefully and you will be free from heresy.That makes no sense.
You consciously leave the answer.Please read this post carefully and you will be free from heresy.That makes no sense.
Please try answering the question.
What's wrong with the model where the Sun and Moon create the tides?
You consciously leave the answer.I'm sorry, but that made little sense.
Call the sea where there are high tides, but there is no fast flow.
Call the sea where there are high tides, but there is no fast flow.
Why is the height of the tides in the Baltic Sea 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.Please answer the question
And check the rotation speed of the whirlpool (flow velocity).
http://www.bibliotekar.ru/7-more-okean/10.htm
Call the sea where there are high tides, but there is no fast flow.
Call the sea where there are high tides, but there is no fast flow.Are you asking for such a place?
Could you please name the sea, the lake, the bay, where the whirlpools rotate, but there are no high tides. (and that there was a flow map).No.
And you show me the island.
I ask you a question.
Why are the tides forming 10 cm in the Baltic Sea and 10 meters in the White Sea.
The places where the tidal range is larger are generally where the tide is funneled into a bay or estuary.
Because the tidal bulge (dragged by the moon's gravity) enters the funnel and travels along it, the same volume of water is forced into a narrow passage and so it has to get deeper.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
You do not know this, but I'll tell you.The distance has nothing to do with it. The correct answer is:
The tidal current in the White and Baltic Sea moves from the Atlantic Ocean.
The distance to the throat of the Baltic Sea is 10 km, to the throat of the White Sea is 3000 km.
The places where the tidal range is larger are generally where the tide is funneled into a bay or estuary.
Because the tidal bulge (dragged by the moon's gravity) enters the funnel and travels along it, the same volume of water is forced into a narrow passage and so it has to get deeper.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.Please answer both questions?
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
http://goo.gl/eYVTo6
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png
2. The tidal current moves to the White Sea from the Atlantic Ocean. How. (trajectory, distance, travel time).
a). As the flow moves, pulsates every 12 hours, or flows a continuous stream (eternal tide).
b). As there is an ebb in the river Severnaya Dvina, if in the Northern Dvina, the eternal tidal current moves.
at). What is the mechanism of transformation of the tidal current into a tidal wave.
g). How much water to move in the tidal current.
e). At what speed does the tidal current (km / h) move.
(The distance from the Atlantic Ocean to the throat of the Baltic Sea is 10 km, to the throat of the White Sea 3000 km.
Flow from the throat of the White Sea moves from south to north, at a speed of 1 km an hour).
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.Please answer both questions?
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
http://goo.gl/eYVTo6
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png
2. The tidal current in the White and Baltic Sea, moves from the Atlantic Ocean. How.
a). The distance to the throat of the Baltic Sea is 10 km, to the throat of the White Sea 3000 km.
b). The flow from the throat of the White Sea moves from south to north, at a speed of 1 km per hour.
The places where the tidal range is larger are generally where the tide is funneled into a bay or estuary.
Because the tidal bulge (dragged by the moon's gravity) enters the funnel and travels along it, the same volume of water is forced into a narrow passage and so it has to get deeper.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.Please answer both questions?
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
http://goo.gl/eYVTo6
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png
2. The tidal current moves to the White Sea from the Atlantic Ocean. How. (trajectory, distance, travel time).
a). As the flow moves, pulsates every 12 hours, or flows a continuous stream (eternal tide).
b). As there is an ebb in the river Severnaya Dvina, if in the Northern Dvina, the eternal tidal current moves.
at). What is the mechanism of transformation of the tidal current into a tidal wave.
g). How much water to move in the tidal current.
e). At what speed does the tidal current (km / h) move.
(The distance from the Atlantic Ocean to the throat of the Baltic Sea is 10 km, to the throat of the White Sea 3000 km.
Flow from the throat of the White Sea moves from south to north, at a speed of 1 km an hour).
at a speed of 1650 km per hourWhere did you get that figure from?
It's not credible that a wave crosses the sea, faster than the speed of sound and yet nobody notices.This figure from the encyclopedia, we discussed it, but the essence of the last posts in the other.
This figure from the encyclopedia, we discussed it, but the essence of the last posts in the other.That encyclopedia page does not mention 1650.
We discussed this topic in the topic "The tides are the result of the rotation of the earth and the whirlpools" page 9.This figure from the encyclopedia, we discussed it, but the essence of the last posts in the other.That encyclopedia page does not mention 1650.
I presume you mean this
"An idealized tidal wave would move across Earth at 1,600 kilometers per hour (1,000 miles per hour) at the equator. " which is wrong, a tidal bulge would move at that speed.
and Russia isn't on the equator.
Now answer the question.
How do we have supersonic waves traveling around with nobody noticing?
I believe the last three posts brilliantly refute the Moon theory of tides.You are mistaken and your mistake is in assuming that the tidal bulges, or waves, travel east to west at the same speed as the moon rotates about the earth. As we have explained before, the waves (not currents) circulate in the ocean basins around tidal nodes called amphidromic points, so they do not travel at the speeds you assume.
The length of the tidal wave depends on the diameter of the whirlpool. And the height of the tidal wave depends on the rotation speed of the whirlpool of the orbital velocity of the Earth, and the time of the tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).The first problem with this formula is that it does not return an amplitude, it produces a number of square metres per second. That is clearly wrong.
A = V1 • V2 / t
where: A is the amplitude of the tidal wave (precession angle).
V1 - rotation speed of the whirlpool.
V2 is the orbital velocity of the Earth.
t - the time of tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).
As is known, everything that rotates, including whirlpools, possess the property of a gyro (yule) to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.A rigid gyroscope on earth will indeed align itself to the sidereal day which is 4mins shorter than the solar day. However, that gives a number of problems for your theory.
If you look at the Earth from the Sun, the whirlpools, rotating together with the Earth, turn over twice a day, due to which the whirlpools precess (swing by 1-2 degrees) and reflect the tidal wave around the entire perimeter of the whirlpool.
You are mistaken and your mistake is in assuming that the tidal bulges, or waves, travel east to west at the same speed as the moon rotates about the earth. As we have explained before, the waves (not currents) circulate in the ocean basins around tidal nodes called amphidromic points, so they do not travel at the speeds you assume.In this topic, large fluctuations in the amplitude of tides are discussed.
So why did you start talking about these ‘other issues’.You are mistaken and your mistake is in assuming that the tidal bulges, or waves, travel east to west at the same speed as the moon rotates about the earth. As we have explained before, the waves (not currents) circulate in the ocean basins around tidal nodes called amphidromic points, so they do not travel at the speeds you assume.In this topic, large fluctuations in the amplitude of tides are discussed.
And you are talking about other issues.
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.None of these are mysteries to anyone who understands the dynamic theory of tides and understands the influence of sun and moon, and they have been explained here before.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).
3. Why the height of the tides on the western coast of the peninsula of Kamchatka is 25 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).
4. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.
5. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
I believe the last three posts brilliantly refute the Moon theory of tides.We are not responsible for what you believe.
What prevents you from discovering this greatest mystery of nature, relying on the dynamic model of tides.1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.None of these are mysteries to anyone who understands the dynamic theory of tides
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).
3. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.
4. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
That the "lunar tidal wave" is moving from east to west, at a speed of 1600 km per hour, I do not claim. This is written in the lunar theory of tides.
What kind of wave are you writing,That the "lunar tidal wave" is moving from east to west, at a speed of 1600 km per hour, I do not claim. This is written in the lunar theory of tides.
Is there any way to get you to understand the difference between the tidal bulge and a tidal wave?
If not, there is no way that this thread will ever make progress.
Colin2B, you have studied the "dynamic tide model" well enough to answer these questions.What prevents you from discovering this greatest mystery of nature, relying on the dynamic model of tides.1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.None of these are mysteries to anyone who understands the dynamic theory of tides
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).
3. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.
4. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm
Сolin2B, you can answer these four questions based on the dynamic tide model.Colin2B, you have studied the "dynamic tide model" well enough to answer these questions.What prevents you from discovering this greatest mystery of nature, relying on the dynamic model of tides.1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.None of these are mysteries to anyone who understands the dynamic theory of tides
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).
3. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.
4. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm
Сolin2B, you can answer these four questions based on the dynamic tide model.
Then answer these four questions based on the true theory of tides.Сolin2B, you can answer these four questions based on the dynamic tide model.
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm
Yes I can, easily.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that your whirlpool theory is proven to be false.
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.You have yet to explain why you think the behaviour should be different from that observed.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).
3. Why the height of the tides on the western coast of the peninsula of Kamchatka is 25 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).
4. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.I can find no support for the idea that this happens. Please cite some evidence that the effect is real.
5. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).Again, I can't find evidence for this
Colin2B writes.This is mythology, for those who blindly believe in the printed word.
Pay attention also to the link: "Instead of circulating around the world, the tide wave breaks down into numerous smaller cells called amphidrome systems. Within each cell, the tide wave revolves around the amphidrome point. "
And on that page it say "For the tide wave to keep up with the Earth, the ocean would have to be 22,000 m deep!"According to the Static theory of Newton's tides, "Moon tidal current" moves from east to west at a speed of 1600 km / h, bending around the Earth for 24 hours, wiping the ocean floor and flooding only the eastern coasts of the continents, but through the centuries it was discovered:
And I keep asking you if you know the difference between a wave and the tidal bulge.
And you keep failing to answer.
2. The tidal wave velocity of 1600 km / h is catastrophic for both continents and marine fauna.
I see this guy still doesn't understand what a tidal bulge actually is.I think you are right, we are wasting our time.
Are you guys sure you want to keep debating with this brick wall?
What kind of wave are you writing,Doesn’t even know what a maelstrom is.
lunar or maelstrom.
And on that page it say "For the tide wave to keep up with the Earth, the ocean would have to be 22,000 m deep!"I know
And I keep asking you if you know the difference between a wave and the tidal bulge.
And you keep failing to answer.
Admit that you can not answer these questions, relying on the lunar theory of tides.1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.You have yet to explain why you think the behaviour should be different from that observed.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).
3. Why the height of the tides on the western coast of the peninsula of Kamchatka is 25 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).
You say "but it should be all the opposite", but you don't say why.4. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.I can find no support for the idea that this happens. Please cite some evidence that the effect is real.5. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).Again, I can't find evidence for this
On the other hand, I did find a report into the tide/ current there.
https://iwaponline.com/jh/article-abstract/20/4/798/38904/Flow-dynamics-in-large-tidal-delta-of-the-Northern?redirectedFrom=fulltext
If they had found anything anomalous, that fact would be mentioned in the abstract. yet it isn't.
Admit that you can not answer these questions, relying on the lunar theory of tides.I did answer them.
Dynamic Theory of TidesWho in this forum is well prepared to comment on the dynamic model of the tides.
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm
Instead of circumnavigating the world, the tide wave is broken up into numerous smaller cells, called amphidromic systems. Within each cell, the tide wave circles around an amphidromic point.
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.Only practicing oceanographers can answer these questions.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.
2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).
3. Why the height of the tides on the western coast of the peninsula of Kamchatka is 25 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).
4. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.
5. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
Only practicing oceanographers can answer these questions.That's plainly not true because I already answered them, and I'm not an oceanographer.
That's plainly not true because I already answered them, and I'm not an oceanographer.If you are not an oceanographer, why do you take responsibility, comment on something that you do not know.
I don't need to be an oceanographer to point out that you are wrong.That's plainly not true because I already answered them, and I'm not an oceanographer.If you are not an oceanographer, why do you take responsibility, comment on something that you do not know.
Only practicing oceanographers can answer these questions.is not correct.
Along the equatorial zone, "tidal force" is everywhere the same, and there is no need to calculate it.On the territory of England, the "tidal force" is everywhere the same, and the height of the tides is everywhere different, why.
(It can be conditionally aligned 1).
The height of the tide in the equatorial zone depends only on the shape of the bay.
In England, the "tidal power" is the same everywhere, and the height of the tides is different, why?I already answered that here
You do not want to add anything else.You consciously leave the answer.I'm sorry, but that made little sense.
Call the sea where there are high tides, but there is no fast flow.
The places where the tidal range is larger are generally where the tide is funneled into a bay or estuary.
Because the tidal bulge (dragged by the moon's gravity) enters the funnel and travels along it, the same volume of water is forced into a narrow passage and so it has to get deeper.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
You do not want to add anything else.Why would I?
Why in England, "tidal force" is everywhere the same, and the height of the tides is different.Why do you leave the answer, this is the right question.
(The range of tides is 0 to 15 meters)?
Any bright school child would realise the answer is that "other things are involved".Why in England, "tidal force" is everywhere the same, and the height of the tides is different.Why do you leave the answer, this is the right question.
(The range of tides is 0 to 15 meters)?
Scientific journal "NBIX-Nauka. Technology" No. 4/2018. Page 104.A positive review of 20 members of the editorial board of this authoritative journal is another convincing argument for the correctness of this theory.
(Nanotechnological Society of Russia)
http://www.nanonewsnet.ru/news/2018/vyshel-chetvertyi-nomer-zhurnala-nbiks-naukatekhnologii
Seriously?Scientific journal "NBIX-Nauka. Technology" No. 4/2018. Page 104.A positive review of 20 members of the editorial board of this authoritative journal is another convincing argument for the correctness of this theory.
(Nanotechnological Society of Russia)
http://www.nanonewsnet.ru/news/2018/vyshel-chetvertyi-nomer-zhurnala-nbiks-naukatekhnologii
I think the members of the editorial board knew what responsibility they bear for an objective evaluation of this theory.
This theory has very good testability.Then what are you waiting for?
This theory has very good testability.The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the whirlpools, the amount of water under the whirlpool, the distance from the coast to the whirlpool, and the direction of flow (to the west, east, north, south).
If high tides form on that bank where you are standing, it means that the current is moving fast along this bank.
It is easy to check based on a map of the sea currents that are on the Internet.
Approximately the tide chart will look like this:
1 km / h - 1 meter.
2 km / h - 2 meter.
3 km / h - 3 meter.
And so on.
And no philosophy.
The only way to refute the whirlpool theory of tides is to name the coast where the current is moving fast, but there are no high tides there.This theory has very good testability.The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the whirlpools, the amount of water under the whirlpool, the distance from the coast to the whirlpool, and the direction of flow (to the west, east, north, south).
If high tides form on that bank where you are standing, it means that the current is moving fast along this bank.
It is easy to check based on a map of the sea currents that are on the Internet.
Approximately the tide chart will look like this:
1 km / h - 1 meter.
2 km / h - 2 meter.
3 km / h - 3 meter.
And so on.
And no philosophy.
If the horse has died - get off!
How to understand the fact that the amplitude of tides in the Bay of Fundy yesterday was 6 meters, and today is 18 meters.A similar pattern of abnormally high tides is observed in all the bays into which rivers flow.
What has changed in a day, for such a sharp jump.
We have two possible answers.
1. For a day, the force of gravity increased three times.
2. During the day, the rotation speed of the rotation has increased three times.
Record high tide in the Bay of Fundy - 21.6 meters - occurred only once in the entire history of observations, on the night of 4 to 5 October in 1869.
On the night of 4 to 5 October in 1869, under the influence of the Saxby Gale cyclone, a record rainfall fell over the basins of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy (300 mm in one day), due to which waters from the Bay of Fundy poured into the Bay of Man and increased speed rotation cycle in the Gulf of Maine, three times.
During the flood of the rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the current speed in the north of the Gulf of Maine rises to 20 km / hour, as a result of which the height of the tides reaches 18 meters.
During a drought over the basins of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides does not exceed three meters.
And the most important question is why in the season of abnormally high tides in the Bay of Fundy, in other bays of the Northern Hemisphere, the amplitude of the tides does not increase?
The real-time animation shows how the waters flowing into the Gulf of Maine from the Gulf of Fundy form a cycle that, precessing, reflects the tidal wave in the direction of the Gulf of Fundy. https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR3fDQD_uF0xgVpETpxVzbrv2xxgzOR0UfAKIEFDHAKoC2jzE-Mpu1lIWMs#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=-65.38,43.37,3000/loc=-68.002,43.607
https://images.app.goo.gl/hAE4F7kyMQ1mhcAF9
Mezen Bay White Sea tide height reaches 10 m.
https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR245zpmdxn7SmOQdJ7qF9HhRn-54AYSZIChWmA6-0A2rXyJ9y2UivmtlZA#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=41.22,69.34,3000/loc=44.515,68.005
A similar pattern of abnormally high tides is observed in all the bays into which rivers flow.Rubbish. There are numerous bays, in fact a majority, where this does not happen eg plymouth
Then why, spring tides are formed only in rivers, and not in all, and at different times?Spring tides are not formed only in rivers.
why doesn’t the parade of planets simultaneously affect other bays of the northern hemisphere?It does in the same area and then following the moon to other locations.
In the presented work, on numerous facts it is convincingly proved that tidal forces are a delusion.
how many people this theory can save.How can it save people?
The only way to refute the whirlpool theory of tides is to name the coast where the current is moving fast, but there are no high tides there.What about Cook Strait, in New Zealand?
The smallest tidal ranges (2 metres or less) are experienced at Gisborne, Napier, Wellington and Picton.
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Cook Strait: Between the North and South Islands the tide travelling northward along the east coast passes the southbound tide to the west. The strong difference between the states of these tides, combined with the east/west tide height difference, produces the complex pattern of strong currents that flow through Cook Strait.
The current in the Cook Strait reaches a speed of 7 knots.Not in the same place.
In New Zealand, there is a tidal power plant.
"Moon tidal wave", moving from the Indian Ocean from east to west, crashing into the eastern coast of the island of Madagascar, contrary to expectations, creates zero tides.I googled madagascar tides and found lots of tide tables.
In New Zealand, there is a tidal power plant.That is not an excuse why your theory fails.
I've given a counterexample.Quote from: Yusup HizirovThe only way to refute the whirlpool theory of tides is to name the coast where the current is moving fast, but there are no high tides there.What about Cook Strait, in New Zealand?
The tide height is shown here (in Russian).The interesting thing is that just outside Cook Straight to the west (where the current is small), the tidal range is shown as dark grey (ie large).
A “lunar tidal wave”, moving from the Indian Ocean from east to west, crashing into the eastern coast of Madagascar creates tides 1.5 meters high and abnormally high tides 7 meters high, for some reason they form in the west of Madagascar. Wikipedia explains this discrepancy by the reflection of waves and the fact that the Coriolis force does its job.To predict the tides, you need information, a map, the current velocity, the depth of the coast.
And the real reason for this discrepancy is the giant cycle, rotating around the island of Madagascar at a speed of up to 9 km / h, precessing, reflecting the tidal wave towards the western coast of Madagascar.
https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR3fDQD_uF0xgVpETpxVzbrv2xxgzOR0UfAKIEFDHAKoC2jzE-Mpu1lIWMs#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=44.73,-20.54,1976/loc=-66.405,44.310
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique_flow
http://goo.gl/QoUvVy
Map of the height of the tides. https://images.app.goo.gl/hmc3gKegiLjYmeoT9
https://images.app.goo.gl/3wnFSkSQ63D9G5FE6
To predict the tides, you need information, a map, the current velocity, the depth of the coast.You also need detailed information on positions of moon and sun.
You have chosen a very inconvenient place, choose another place where there is a flow map.By inconvenient you mean it doesn’t support your hypothesis ;)