[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

How do you define stupid?

Doing or believing what you are told by a parasite.

Then you need to define parasite.

[alancalverd]

Any human who asserts some kind of authority without demonstrating relevant merit. All priests, all philosophers, and most politicians.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Any human who asserts some kind of authority without demonstrating relevant merit. All priests, all philosophers, and most politicians.

Afaik, Socrates didn't assert any kind of authority. He merely asked his pupils to see a problem from different perspectives, to get a clearer understanding.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

What are Moral Dilemmas?
Moral dilemmas are situations in which a person is forced to choose between two or more conflicting options, neither of which solves the situation in a morally acceptable way.

In this video, we will discuss what moral dilemmas are and the three conditions that turn a situation into a moral dilemma.

Video Chapters
0:00 Introduction
1:32 What is a Dilemma?
2:17 What is a Moral Dilemma?
3:55 The 3 Conditions that Make a Moral Dilemma
4:50 Summary

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Our moral values are judged by our decisions. I find many good advices in this video.

How to Make Better Choices in Life

Every day we make choices that have the potential to change the course of our lives. But, we almost never stop and think about how to get better at making these choices. Luckily, that’s what we’re talking about in this video, enjoy x

00:00 Intro
01:00 I in one year's time, what would I regret not having started today?
02:26 What would my mental board of advisors say?
04:09 What is the risk of doing nothing?
04:50 What core value am I optimising for?
05:19 When I'm on my deathbed, what will I regret having or not having done?
06:55 How certain am I about decision and how certain do I need to be?
07:46 How might I treat this like an experiment?
09:55 Do I want to be the sort of person who does X?
11:19 Will this energise me or will it drain me?
12:36 The Quitting Framework
13:40 Tim Ferriss' Fear Setting Exercise

[alancalverd]

Without watching the video:

04:09 is the most important question of all. Intelligence is constructive laziness, and doing nothing is often the overlooked optimum solution.

05:19 is crucial to a stress-free life. My dad used to say "the graveyards are full of people who thought they were indispensable". Whenever I walked into an office full of panic (which was at least once a week) my first question was "how many dead?". The answer was usually "none" and the panic subsided.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

The importance of a standard can be seen by observing the effects of removing it. It's like you don't know what you've got till it's gone. Without a standard to refer to, there's no way to clear the dispute between me and the cable seller. Thus, the most important quality of a standard is its consistency.

It's also possible to measure objects using the international standard ruler. But it won't be practical. How many measurements need to be done everyday?

Similarly, moral rules are useful for their practicality. It's easier to understand and follow rules like don't lie, don't steal, or obey your parents than implementing the universal moral standard, which is meant to achieve a long term goal. In most cases, those common moral rules are good enough. The moral standards are required to justify any exceptions.

Violating moral rules in some specific cases or situations can be morally justified if it complies with higher level moral standard, which usually involves more desired outcome for the long run.
Violation of moral rules for short term desired outcome is considered as immoral if it is expected to cause undesired long term consequences, especially when public interests are impacted.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

This video can be seen as summary of some problems of morality we've discussed here.

The Psychology of Morality

What does it mean to do something good or bad? How do we know what's good or bad? How do we even know that this is a reasonable question to ask? Psychologists have been studying morality for a long time, examining how our sense of morality develops over time, and the ways that we arrive at certain decisions based on our conception of morality. This is a pretty hefty topic, but let's dig into it now. And yes, we will cover the Trolley Problem!

[alancalverd]

What does it mean to do something good or bad?

Good deeds make people happy. Bad deeds make people sad.Taking money from the taxpayer and giving it to bail out a bank or an energy company shareholder can be seen as good or bad depending on which side you are standing, so HM Government can claim to be morally neutral, and indeed adhering to the Christian moral code (Luke 19:26).

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

What does it mean to do something good or bad?

Good deeds make people happy. Bad deeds make people sad.Taking money from the taxpayer and giving it to bail out a bank or an energy company shareholder can be seen as good or bad depending on which side you are standing, so HM Government can claim to be morally neutral, and indeed adhering to the Christian moral code (Luke 19:26).

There are some videos of people happily celebrating 9/11.
Universal moral standard based on universal terminal goal evaluates moral value of actions and decisions from the perspective of furthest future conscious entities as conceivable. It will inevitably involve uncertainties, risks, severities, and probabilities. When gathered information isn't enough to make adequately accurate and precise predictions, moral rules can be used as shortcuts with presumably have high probability of giving the desired results.

[alancalverd]

There are some videos of people happily celebrating 9/11.
Universal moral standard based on universal terminal goal evaluates moral value of actions and decisions from the perspective of furthest future conscious entities as conceivable.

Which rather proves my point. If the religious scum wipe out all the infidels, their descendants' perverted perspective will prevail, to the greater glory of their superstition. So there is no definable universal terminal goal: either the good guys persuade everyone to abandon religion, or we are doomed to eternal and pointless conflict until the followers of some arbitrary nonsense have eliminated everyone else.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

There are some videos of people happily celebrating 9/11.
Universal moral standard based on universal terminal goal evaluates moral value of actions and decisions from the perspective of furthest future conscious entities as conceivable.

Which rather proves my point. If the religious scum wipe out all the infidels, their descendants' perverted perspective will prevail, to the greater glory of their superstition. So there is no definable universal terminal goal: either the good guys persuade everyone to abandon religion, or we are doomed to eternal and pointless conflict until the followers of some arbitrary nonsense have eliminated everyone else.

No.
The societies which will have the highest probability to prevail are those who have terminal goal closer to the universal terminal goal, and have mastered science and technology to make better predictions and planned actions to achieve their goals more effectively and efficiently.

[alancalverd]

Which so far suggests that rampant profiteering, private ownership of essential commodities, and the freedom to invade any territory you like, are the universal terminal goal.

Only fools say the crime doesn't pay. Why else would criminals do it?

Or if you want to be scientific about things, the UTG is maximum entropy, which will certainly prevail.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Which so far suggests that rampant profiteering, private ownership of essential commodities, and the freedom to invade any territory you like, are the universal terminal goal.

Only fools say the crime doesn't pay. Why else would criminals do it?

Or if you want to be scientific about things, the UTG is maximum entropy, which will certainly prevail.

Universal moral standard based on universal terminal goal can be used to measure someone's moral maturity. It evaluates how far ahead they consider the consequences of their actions and decisions. Infants only considers almost immediate consequences of their actions. Bigger kids may consider for a few days/months ahead. Simple minded people may consider for a few years ahead. Wiser people may consider the consequences a few decades or centuries ahead, even to the time when they are no longer alive.
If you don't consider the consequences of your actions and decisions beyond your own individual lives, you are not morally mature enough yet, according to the universal terminal goal. Your age isn't necessarily reflect your moral maturity. If you are already old but your moral value is still not mature yet, it means that your morality has grown too slow.

[alancalverd]

Those who claim divine inspiration tend to talk about eternal consequences, and apparently this leads them to despise and kill one another in pursuit of the UTG.

Disgusting behavior isn't confined to theists. The Thousand Year Reich was, according to your analysis, based on a very high moral standard.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Sooner or later we, or our descendants will have to deal with the great filter. If none of us survive, then everything we've done will stop being meaningful. But if there are survivors, then our actions will be judged by the consequences to affect their chance of survival. Our action will be deemed moral if it increases their survival rate, and immoral if it decreases their survival rate.

If you assume that none will survive, and act accordingly, you will likely be judged as immoral by those survivors. If we keep surviving the great filters, we will eventually be part of interstellar civilization. The key concepts relevant to the situation is increasing our consciousness level, which means that we continuously reduce our dependence on our environmental conditions.

[alancalverd]

There will be survivors, mostly cockroaches and dogs, who have more important things to do than worry about universal goals and morals.

Be kind to your dog and, like the cockroach, he will wait until you are dead before eating you.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

There will be survivors, mostly cockroaches and dogs, who have more important things to do than worry about universal goals and morals.

Be kind to your dog and, like the cockroach, he will wait until you are dead before eating you.

They won't survive when the earth is drowned into the sun.

[alancalverd]

If none of us survive, then everything we've done will stop being meaningful.

It isn't anyway. The graveyards are full of men who used to be indispensable.There is no ultimate meaning or purpose - these concepts only have validity in the context of a finite existence.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Those who claim divine inspiration tend to talk about eternal consequences, and apparently this leads them to despise and kill one another in pursuit of the UTG.

Disgusting behavior isn't confined to theists. The Thousand Year Reich was, according to your analysis, based on a very high moral standard.

You seem to have learned a lot of bitter past experiences which make you struggle to imagine the possibilities of better future.