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Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« on: 27/12/2021 23:30:13 »
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #1 on: 28/12/2021 08:42:58 »
Define superior.
What criteria are you going to judge on?
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #2 on: 28/12/2021 09:49:22 »
Quote from: Colin2B on 28/12/2021 08:42:58
Define superior.
What criteria are you going to judge on?
It was a subjective question.
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #3 on: 28/12/2021 18:42:56 »
Quote from: Pseudoscience-is-malarkey on 28/12/2021 09:49:22
Quote from: Colin2B on 28/12/2021 08:42:58
Define superior.
What criteria are you going to judge on?
It was a subjective question.
Then be subjective and define your criteria
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #4 on: 28/12/2021 19:10:59 »
Quote from: Colin2B on 28/12/2021 18:42:56
subjective
based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.

Objective
 not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #5 on: 28/12/2021 21:47:11 »
I could be cynical here, and point out that many people don't appreciate the bagpipes as a musical instrument...

But having played a wind instrument, I can appreciate the technology that allows you to keep playing while you take a breath...
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #6 on: 29/12/2021 00:20:26 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/12/2021 19:10:59
Quote from: Colin2B on 28/12/2021 18:42:56
subjective
based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
You still need to define what is ‘superior’ and what criterion or criteria will be used. It can still be subjective eg the opinion of professional competition judges, the opinion of the musical press, etc

Quote from: evan_au on 28/12/2021 21:47:11
But having played a wind instrument, I can appreciate the technology that allows you to keep playing while you take a breath...
Some don’t even require you to blow!
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #7 on: 29/12/2021 11:07:36 »
Quote from: Colin2B on 29/12/2021 00:20:26
You still need to define what is ‘superior’
No, I don't.
I can tell you that I prefer roast lamb to roast beef without saying , or even knowing, why.
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #8 on: 29/12/2021 13:53:25 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/12/2021 11:07:36
Quote from: Colin2B on 29/12/2021 00:20:26
You still need to define what is superior
No, I don't.
I can tell you that I prefer roast lamb to roast beef without saying , or even knowing, why.
Agree, for your personal opinion, and if that is what the OP is looking for then he has defined superior and his criteria for judgment - superior is "in the opinion of @Bored chemist "
Question answered, OP happy  8)
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #9 on: 29/12/2021 14:01:35 »
Most of us Americans only see bagpipes as a musical instrument, and not as a weapon. A weapon that is useful when fending off a black pudding-wielding attacker.
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #10 on: 29/12/2021 15:18:44 »
Quote from: Pseudoscience-is-malarkey on 29/12/2021 14:01:35
......A weapon that is useful when fending off a black pudding-wielding attacker.
So by superior you mean an ability to fend off a black-pudding, wielding attacker. Surely that is more than subjective and can be tested in a contest. Would that be a ‘name your champion’ or a 2 team melé?
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #11 on: 29/12/2021 18:30:01 »
Quote from: Colin2B on 29/12/2021 13:53:25
Agree, for your personal opinion, and if that is what the OP is looking for then he has defined superior and his criteria for judgment - superior is "in the opinion of @Bored chemist "
By saying that it's subjective he has "defined" superior as being "in the opinion of whoever is answering the question".
Since I have not actually offered an opinion, mine is not the one that counts here, is it?
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #12 on: 29/12/2021 20:03:29 »
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a musical instrument, and not as a weapon
At one time, musical instruments were seen as an essential part of any military force.
- To boost morale of your troops, and intimidate the enemy by this impressive sound
- In fact, France held regular contests to find the loudest musical instrument for use on the battlefield
- These contests were frequently won by Adolphe Sax, and his eponymous Saxophone

Musical instruments have also been used since (at least) Roman times as a way for the generals to signal commands to their troops. I understand that some battles have been won by sending commands recognized by the enemy soldiers, instructing them to take actions that were not in their own best interests...
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #13 on: 30/12/2021 00:07:42 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/12/2021 18:30:01
Since I have not actually offered an opinion, mine is not the one that counts here, is it?
It’s as good as any. A null return is still a return  :)
Anyway, he still seems confused about what he is asking, apparently a black person wielding a blood pudding. I can think of far better ways of defending against such a weapon.

Quote from: evan_au on 29/12/2021 20:03:29
- To boost morale of your troops, and intimidate the enemy by this impressive sound
The Scottish pipes were certainly used to intimidate the enemy and in WW1 most british army infantry units had a piper, and although they weren’t officially recognised until 1854, much of the Army’s battles since the mid-1700s had been fought with piper’s playing. The death rate amongst pipers was extremely high: it is estimated that around 1000 pipers died in WW1. Piper Daniel Laidlaw of the 7th Kings Own Scottish Borderers was awarded the Victoria Cross for his gallantry.
As @evan_au  says, they were initially used for signalling intentions and later for increasing own side moral and intimidating the enemy.
Certainly as a weapon the Scottish pipes have been superior to other types.
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #14 on: 30/12/2021 12:41:22 »
Quote from: Colin2B on 30/12/2021 00:07:42
Anyway, he still seems confused about what he is asking, apparently a black person wielding a blood pudding.
The hyphen convention is admittedly anomalous but IIRC Fowler, Gowers and The Times would judge Pseudo to be correct in this instance. "Black pudding" is a specific type of pudding, and pudding-wielding is a known military art described in detail by Gunner Milligan, S  in several scripts (BBC archives) and artillery manuals (including "Adolf Hitler - My Part in His Downfall").  See also white pudding-throwing and haggis-hurling, though the military origin of the vegetarian haggis is dubious. 
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #15 on: 30/12/2021 13:19:12 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 30/12/2021 12:41:22
Quote from: Colin2B on 30/12/2021 00:07:42
Anyway, he still seems confused about what he is asking, apparently a black person wielding a blood pudding.
The hyphen convention is admittedly anomalous but IIRC Fowler, Gowers and The Times would judge Pseudo to be correct in this instance. "Black pudding" is a specific type of pudding, and pudding-wielding is a known military art described in detail by Gunner Milligan, S  in several scripts (BBC archives) and artillery manuals (including "Adolf Hitler - My Part in His Downfall").  See also white pudding-throwing and haggis-hurling, though the military origin of the vegetarian haggis is dubious.
I bow to the authority of Fowler and Gowers, but note that Partridge is silent on this issue. I feel that Pseudo’s use of the hyphen leads to a lack of clarity in “black pudding-wielding attacker”, but I had not taken account of the literary precedent (Milligan et al).
The thought of a vegetarian haggis is enough to turn any sheep’s stomach as it is well known that they are carnivorous.
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Re: Scottish and Irish bagpipers, which is superior?
« Reply #16 on: 08/01/2022 17:32:55 »
There's no such thing as superior.
The Romans said:
De gustibus non est disputandum.
One cannot discuss taste.
And as this is a taste matter, it is therefore "undebatable".

It's all bias, prejudice, name it however you want, but it boils down to what YOU like.
I prefer the Scots music over the Irish ones, but I love these Scots tunes on both Uillean pipes as Highlander pipes.
Not so much Lowlander pipes, and pipes like Spanish ones, or Iraqi ones, I do not like at all.
To *me* these sound ... weak ... somehow?
But that too, is mere bias, of course.   :)
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