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Why does bipolar "disorder" need to be treated?

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Why does bipolar "disorder" need to be treated?
« on: 02/04/2022 05:34:33 »
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Re: Why does bipolar "disorder" need to be treated?
« Reply #1 on: 02/04/2022 12:20:58 »
As with any other disorder, either because it upsets the patient or because the patient upsets others.

And of course I don't mean patient because that implies suffering and negativity and dehumanising distinction from other people. Apparently we are supposed to say "person living with", even though the person actually living with a mental disorder is really their (can't say his or her, so I have to use an inappropriate plural pronoun) significant other(s) (mustn't exclude polyamory) because the person living with a special mental condition (disorder is so judgmental) is often not aware of it.

We used to say if it ain't busted, don't fix it. But you won't sell many pharmaceuticals that way, so if it don't look busted, invent a diagnosis to suit your new molecule.
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Re: Why does bipolar "disorder" need to be treated?
« Reply #2 on: 02/04/2022 12:23:41 »
Well.. there's the suicide rate among those with the condition. That's probably grounds to treat it.

Quote from: alancalverd on 02/04/2022 12:20:58
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Re: Why does bipolar "disorder" need to be treated?
« Reply #3 on: 02/04/2022 12:25:33 »
Not sure if it's still true, but the highest suicide rate used to correlate with being a farmer or a dentist. How do you treat those diseases?
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Re: Why does bipolar "disorder" need to be treated?
« Reply #4 on: 02/04/2022 13:02:49 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 02/04/2022 12:25:33
How do you treat those diseases?
That's not quite the same question as "do you treat those conditions", is it?

However, since you ask...
https://www.hse.gov.uk/stress/overview.htm
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Re: Why does bipolar "disorder" need to be treated?
« Reply #5 on: 02/04/2022 18:32:12 »
From the HSE website

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Employers have a legal duty to protect workers from stress at work by doing a risk assessment and acting on it.

Problem is that farmers and dentists usually are the employers. So making a risk assessment will just give HSE one more thing to criticise, without actually addressing the problem. Still, it's an interesting approach

Job: Pilot. Stress factors: mechanical failure, bad weather. Action: don't fly.
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Re: Why does bipolar "disorder" need to be treated?
« Reply #6 on: 02/04/2022 18:34:36 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 02/04/2022 18:32:12
From the HSE website

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Employers have a legal duty to protect workers from stress at work by doing a risk assessment and acting on it.

Problem is that farmers and dentists usually are the employers. So making a risk assessment will just give HSE one more thing to criticise, without actually addressing the problem. Still, it's an interesting approach

Job: Pilot. Stress factors: mechanical failure, bad weather. Action: don't fly.
And that's the problem.
People too dim, or too bigoted to actually address the issue.


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Re: Why does bipolar "disorder" need to be treated?
« Reply #7 on: 03/04/2022 08:23:00 »
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Why does bipolar "disorder" need to be treated?
If it causes you distress, and interferes with your lifestyle. If it causes stress to those around you.
- Bipolar disorder consists of bouts of depression and mania
- We treat depression
- We treat people who can't sit still
- So why not treat people who have both?

I know one person who has bipolar disorder, and it has made it hard for them to hold down a steady job - and perhaps a steady relationship.
- Emotional cycles lead to inconsistent behavior, which can lead to problems with trust
- I have seen it result in outbursts.

Lithium is an effective treatment, but apparently it has severe side-effects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder
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Re: Why does bipolar "disorder" need to be treated?
« Reply #8 on: 03/04/2022 17:14:20 »
I'm not sure that being dim or bigoted is the reason I worry about bad weather and mechanical failure. It's more to do with statistics and self-preservation. Nor do I find farmers and dentists to be exceptionally dim or bigoted compared, for instance, with those who cause stress in hardworking professionals.
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