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Title: Is it possible to attract ions with magnets?
Post by: scientizscht on 06/03/2019 22:28:32
Hello!

If you have a solution with ions, can you attract eg cations and fix them on a probe or surface?

How exactly?
Title: Re: Is it possible to attract ions with magnets?
Post by: chiralSPO on 07/03/2019 02:39:48
Magnets neither attract nor repel charged particles (though they can exert a force on ions that are already in motion relative to the magnet).

You can attraction ions to a surface by giving the surface the opposite charge of the ions you wish to attract. Or by giving it local dipole moments that can attract ions from a very close range (ie a very polar surface like silica will attract charged species out of a non-polar or slightly polar solvent--but this will attract cations and anions equally)
Title: Re: Is it possible to attract ions with magnets?
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/03/2019 19:23:59
"Is it possible to attract ions with magnets?"
Yes... sort of.


can you attract eg cations and fix them on a probe or surface?
No.
Title: Re: Is it possible to attract ions with magnets?
Post by: scientizscht on 07/03/2019 21:20:47
"Is it possible to attract ions with magnets?"
Yes... sort of.


can you attract eg cations and fix them on a probe or surface?
No.

Not sure if you realised, but your both answers are totally opposite to what chiralSPO gave.
Title: Re: Is it possible to attract ions with magnets?
Post by: Bored chemist on 07/03/2019 21:58:36
Not sure if you realised, but I cited experimental evidence for one of my claims.

As it happens, the paramagnetic ions in solution in that video are cations.
However, there are also paramagnetic anions.
So, a magnet wouldn't separate them.
Title: Re: Is it possible to attract ions with magnets?
Post by: evan_au on 07/03/2019 22:05:35
A recent discovery by the Artemis probe orbiting the Moon is that some local magnetism on the Moon deflects ions from the Sun, forming swirls of a different color around a mountain with a local magnetic field.

See: https://www.livescience.com/64928-moon-sunburn-swirls-from-solar-wind.html