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Non Life Sciences => Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology => Topic started by: stacyjones on 29/04/2016 03:24:03
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'Physicists Look Beyond WIMPs For Dark Matter'
https://www.insidescience.org/content/physicists-look-beyond-wimps-dark-matter/3916
"The new generation of early-career physicists is more open to dark matter other than WIMPs"
"WIMPs start to look a little less good, so people are these days are considering other possibilities."
Is it time to understand dark matter fills 'empty' space and is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it, including 'particles' as large as galaxy clusters?
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment, the strongly interacting dark matter which fills 'empty' space.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality, both are waves in the strongly interacting dark matter.
Dark matter displaced by matter relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.
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'Physicists Look Beyond WIMPs For Dark Matter'
https://www.insidescience.org/content/physicists-look-beyond-wimps-dark-matter/3916
"The new generation of early-career physicists is more open to dark matter other than WIMPs"
"WIMPs start to look a little less good, so people are these days are considering other possibilities."
Is it time to understand dark matter fills 'empty' space and is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it, including 'particles' as large as galaxy clusters?
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment, the strongly interacting dark matter which fills 'empty' space.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality, both are waves in the strongly interacting dark matter.
Dark matter displaced by matter relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.
What is WIMP's?
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What is WIMP's?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weakly_interacting_massive_particles
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WIMPS are one of the more popular theories about the origin of "Dark Matter".
But there are many such theories, some of them not involving dark matter at all.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#Cold_dark_matter
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WIMPS are one of the more popular theories about the origin of "Dark Matter".
But there are many such theories, some of them not involving dark matter at all.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter#Cold_dark_matter
Dark matter fills 'empty' space and is displaced by matter.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment, the strongly interacting dark matter which fills 'empty' space.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality, both are waves in the strongly interacting dark matter.
Dark matter displaced by matter relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.
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Dark matter fills 'empty' space and is displaced by matter.
I prefer dark energy is empty space and can pass through matter and matter can likewise pass through it . I consider dark matter is something that doe's not reflect light.
Dark energy at this time does not exist, it is theoretical, I think it is undetectable because it is nothing, meaning absolute 0t, absolute 0E, and static/stationary. I then think that all things affect things , i'e gravity only exists of something with mass. Space/ dark energy being massless,
space-time and dark energy interwoven that we observe as ''empty'' space.
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I prefer dark energy is empty space and can pass through matter and matter can likewise pass through it . I consider dark matter is something that doe's not reflect light.
Our visible Universe is a larger version of what is represented by the blue lines in the following.
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fastronomynow.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F08%2Fblack_hole_gas_jet_circulation_940x940.jpg&hash=e7b43f1e683766342fb8f7a9150355a6)
'Supermassive Black Holes Transport Matter into Cosmic Voids, Astronomers Say'
sci-news.com/astronomy/supermassive-black-holes-matter-cosmic-voids-03658.html
“Some of the matter falling towards the holes is converted into energy. This energy is delivered to the surrounding gas, and leads to large outflows of matter, which stretch for hundreds of thousands of light years from the black holes, reaching far beyond the extent of their host galaxies,” the astronomers explained.
At the scale of our Universe the energy referred to above is dark energy. A Universal black hole is powering our visible Universe causing the galaxy clusters to accelerate away from us.
Dark energy is dark matter continuously emitted into and flowing through our visible Universe. It is the dark matter flowing through our visible Universe which pushes the galaxy clusters, causing them to accelerating away from us.
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Dark energy is dark matter continuously emitted into and flowing through our visible Universe. It is the dark matter flowing through our visible Universe which pushes the galaxy clusters, causing them to accelerating away from us.
Yes it is quite a good theory, however it should be called light matter, like air becomes ''buoyant'', things that move away from a gravitational field have become relative massless and are lighter than things that are ''falling'' through space.
At least it shows more space beyond the visual universe which is accurate in my opinion. and I dont think it needs the arrows or blue lines or cloud, relatively space is clear even where it looks ''black'' .
In realism this is what we observe of the universe.
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Yes it is quite a good theory, however it should be called light matter
It should be called aether. Aether has mass, physically occupies three dimensional space and is physically displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it. Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality, both are waves in the aether.
Dark energy is aether continuously emitted by the Universal black hole that flows through our visible Universe pushing the galaxy clusters, causing them to accelerate away from us.
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It should be called aether. Aether has mass, physically occupies three dimensional space and is physically displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it. Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality, both are waves in the aether.
Aether does not have mass, it does not exist , it was undetected
Dark energy is aether continuously emitted by the Universal black hole that flows through our visible Universe pushing the galaxy clusters, causing them to accelerate away from us.
I do not believe so, the entropy of our galaxy pushes away the entropy of other galaxy clusters and likewise clusters affect clusters by entropy.
Gravity only exists between two bodies, space itself offers no evidence of an existence of gravity. Things affect things and space is just an observer.
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Aether does not have mass, it does not exist , it was undetected
The Michelson-Morley experiment looked for an absolutely stationary space the Earth moves through. The aether is not an absolutely stationary space. The aether is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"Think of waves on the surface of water. Here we can describe two entirely different things. Either we may observe how the undulatory surface forming the boundary between water and air alters in the course of time; or else-with the help of small floats, for instance - we can observe how the position of the separate particles of water alters in the course of time. If the existence of such floats for tracking the motion of the particles of a fluid were a fundamental impossibility in physics - if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium."
if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the aether as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that aether consists of particles which can be individually tracked through time. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium having mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.
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Aether does not have mass, it does not exist , it was undetected
The Michelson-Morley experiment looked for an absolutely stationary space the Earth moves through. The aether is not an absolutely stationary space. The aether is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.
'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"Think of waves on the surface of water. Here we can describe two entirely different things. Either we may observe how the undulatory surface forming the boundary between water and air alters in the course of time; or else-with the help of small floats, for instance - we can observe how the position of the separate particles of water alters in the course of time. If the existence of such floats for tracking the motion of the particles of a fluid were a fundamental impossibility in physics - if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium."
if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the aether as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that aether consists of particles which can be individually tracked through time. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium having mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.
I think you are trying to say that light is the aether, and that things have affect on the aether?
Space is never displaced, it cant be displaced and an inflating balloon shows us this. Geometrical space points end up inside the balloon when it inflates.
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if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the aether as it varies in time,
The shape of space is not observable, you can only observe point sources. The inverse square law is a failure, it is a quantum tunnel between two point sources, and F(Sm1) =F(Sm2)=0 =r where S is entropy and F is force and r is radius, but all radius's are dynamic.
I am not a scientist though, I am just discussing my opinions
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I think you are trying to say that light is the aether, and that things have affect on the aether?
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
“When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles.”
“any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous “energetic contact” with a hidden medium”
The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether.
"For me, the particle, precisely located in space at every instant, forms on the v wave a small region of high energy concentration, which may be likened in a first approximation, to a moving singularity."
A photon may be likened in a first approximation to a moving singularity which has an associated wave in the aether.
"the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave"
The photon occupies a very small region of the associated wave in the aether.
Wave-particle duality is a moving particle and it's associated wave in the aether.
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The shape of space is not observable, you can only observe point sources. The inverse square law is a failure, it is a quantum tunnel between two point sources, and F(Sm1) =F(Sm2)=0 =r where S is entropy and F is force and r is radius, but all radius's are dynamic.
I am not a scientist though, I am just discussing my opinions
Einstein is saying the shape of the space is defined by the matter. Think of a bunch of stuff thrown into a pool. The shape of the water is defined by the objects thrown into the pool. The aether is displaced by the matter. The state of displacement of the aether is its shape.
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The shape of space is not observable, you can only observe point sources. The inverse square law is a failure, it is a quantum tunnel between two point sources, and F(Sm1) =F(Sm2)=0 =r where S is entropy and F is force and r is radius, but all radius's are dynamic.
I am not a scientist though, I am just discussing my opinions
Einstein is saying the shape of the space is defined by the matter. Think of a bunch of stuff thrown into a pool. The shape of the water is defined by the objects thrown into the pool. The aether is displaced by the matter. The state of displacement of the aether is its shape.
The shape of space is n, any shape , what science defines as shape is no more than astrology. If you removed all the distant stars and galaxies the visual universe would be the size of the milky way, you can only observe the radius of a point source that interacts with light or a light emitting source.
The shape of the Universe is defined by naiveness, the shape of formation of galaxies is defined by the matter. The ''aether'' is not displaced because the ''aether'' is a void.
''But on the other hand there is a weighty argument to be adduced in favour of the ether hypothesis. To deny the ether is ultimately to assume that empty space has no physical qualities whatever. The fundamental facts of mechanics do not harmonize with this view. For the mechanical behaviour of a corporeal system hovering freely in empty space depends not only on relative positions (distances) and relative velocities, but also on its state of rotation, which physically may be taken as a characteristic not appertaining to the system in itself. In order to be able to look upon the rotation of the system, at least formally, as something real, Newton objectivises space. Since he classes his absolute space together with real things, for him rotation relative to an absolute space is also something real. Newton might no less well have called his absolute space "Ether"; what is essential is merely that besides observable objects, another thing, which is not perceptible, must be looked upon as real, to enable acceleration or rotation to be looked upon as something real.''
To deny the ether is ultimately to assume that empty space has no physical qualities whatever, but this does not state that the empty space does not have physical properties occupying the empty void.
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Think of a bunch of stuff thrown into a pool. The shape of the water is defined by the objects thrown into the pool.
No, the water is displaced by the mass of stones, space is not displaced by the balloons skin, the inflating balloon can displace water, it cant displace space, water is a bad example. Although the balloon underwater inflating shows space is static
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No, the water is displaced by the mass of stones, space is not displaced by the balloons skin, the inflating balloon can displace water, it cant displace space, water is a bad example. Although the balloon underwater inflating shows space is static
The individual quarks the balloon consists of displace the aether. Aether exists everywhere the quarks do not. Where the quarks exist the aether is displaced.
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The individual quarks the balloon consists of displace the aether. Aether exists everywhere the quarks do not. Where the quarks exist the aether is displaced.
Hmmmm, ok I have to agree with that because that seems quite logical.
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Hmmmm, ok I have to agree with that because that seems quite logical.
There are no such things as virtual particles, with mass, popping into and out of existence out of nothing. In the following video what is referred to as the mass of the 'empty' space in a proton is the mass of the aether which exists where the quarks do not. Where the quarks exist the aether has been displaced. See the 1:52 mark in the following video for a visual representation of the aether which exists where the quarks do not.
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Hmmmm, ok I have to agree with that because that seems quite logical.
There are no such things as virtual particles, with mass, popping into and out of existence out of nothing. In the following video what is referred to as the mass of the 'empty' space in a proton is the mass of the aether which exists where the quarks do not. Where the quarks exist the aether has been displaced. See the 1:52 mark in the following video for a visual representation of the aether which exists where the quarks do not.
Hmm, the nothing part is ok, but then it gets a bit far fetched and again of the imagination. the comp simulation means nothing and I do not know why you keep mentioning aether, please explain what exactly you are defining as the aether?
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please explain what exactly you are defining as the aether?
Aether is the mass which fills 'empty' space. Aether is the mass which fills the space unoccupied by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it, including 'particles' as large as galaxy clusters.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment, the aether which fills 'empty' space.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality, both are waves in the aether.
Aether displaced by matter relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.
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please explain what exactly you are defining as the aether?
Aether is the mass which fills 'empty' space. Aether is the mass which fills the space unoccupied by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it, including 'particles' as large as galaxy clusters.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment, the aether which fills 'empty' space.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality, both are waves in the aether.
Aether displaced by matter relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.
I think you maybe trolling me and confused.
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I think you maybe trolling me and confused.
'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
“any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous “energetic contact” with a hidden medium”
The hidden medium is the aether.
"For me, the particle, precisely located in space at every instant, forms on the v wave a small region of high energy concentration, which may be likened in a first approximation, to a moving singularity."
A particle is a moving singularity which has an associated wave in the aether.
"the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave"
The particle is defined as a very small region of its associated wave in the aether.
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A particle is a moving singularity which has an associated wave in the aether.
Each particle is an independent singularity, which has an associated interaction with electromagnetic radiation. Electromagnetic radiation does not need an aether to pass through , it needs nothing to pass through.
p.s its a wave-width not a wave length , I have also bookmarked your brog link. A lot to read today
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Is it time to understand dark matter fills 'empty' space and is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it, including 'particles' as large as galaxy clusters?
Forms of dark matter like that have always been considered. Forms of dark matter referred to as Baryonic Dark Matter include such objects as neutron stars, black holes, white dwarfs and brown dwarfs, collectively known as massive compact halo objects (MACHOs).
Note on terminology: By definition an object as large as a galaxy cluster cannot be referred to as a particle since a particle is defined to be a very small, perhaps even point-like, object. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle
A particle is a minute fragment or quantity of matter.[1] In the physical sciences, a particle is a small localized object to which can be ascribed several physical or chemical properties such as volume or mass.[2] They vary greatly in size, from subatomic particles like the electron, to microscopic particles like atoms and molecules, to macroscopic particles like powders and other granular materials. Particles can also be used to create scientific models of even larger objects, such as humans moving in a crowd.
The later case, i.e. "humans moving in a crowd", refers to instances when the object spoken of, in this case "humans", are small compared to the system being considered. Not all particles of dark matter cannot be as large as a galaxy because dark matter is responsible for the motion of starts in our galaxy as well as other galaxies. Dark matter in our galaxy has yet to be detected.
What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment, the strongly interacting dark matter which fills 'empty' space.
In a double slit experiment a quantum mechanical wave, which is purely a mathematical object, impinges on the double slit which then forms two separate waves which interfere on the detecting screen as waves will do. But no such thing at all occurs when galaxies collide. All that happens is that the objects in the galaxies interact via the gravitational interaction. No wave properties such as interference exists in such a collision.
Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality, both are waves in the strongly interacting dark matter.
Dark matter displaced by matter relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.
That is 100% incorrect. Where on earth did you ever get such a notion from? The effects of dark matter are purely classical. There exists no quantum mechanical effects associated with dark matter.
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A particle is a moving singularity which has an associated wave in the aether.
Each particle is an independent singularity, which has an associated interaction with electromagnetic radiation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation#Wave.E2.80.93particle_duality
Wave–particle duality
The modern theory that explains the nature of light includes the notion of wave–particle duality. More generally, the theory states that everything has both a particle nature and a wave nature, and various experiments can be done to bring out one or the other. The particle nature is more easily discerned using an object with a large mass. A bold proposition by Louis de Broglie in 1924 led the scientific community to realize that electrons also exhibited wave–particle duality.
In de Broglie's double solution theory wave-particle duality is a moving particle and it's associated wave in the "subquantic medium".
The "subquantic medium" is the aether.
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There are no such things as virtual particles, with mass, popping into and out of existence out of nothing.
If by that you mean that virtual particles dot not have an existence in the way electrons and photons do then I agree. But that was never what virtual particles were intended to be used for. They are merely mathematical entities which are used to help calculate certain things in particle physics.
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Forms of dark matter like that have always been considered. Forms of dark matter referred to as Baryonic Dark Matter include such objects as neutron stars, black holes, white dwarfs and brown dwarfs, collectively known as massive compact halo objects (MACHOs).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_theories#Quantum_vacuum
Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University, had this to say about ether in contemporary theoretical physics:
It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo.
Matter, quantum solids and fluids, a piece of window glass and 'stuff' have mass and so does the dark matter.
Dark matter fills 'empty' space and is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.
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If by that you mean that virtual particles dot not have an existence in the way electrons and photons do then I agree. But that was never what virtual particles were intended to be used for. They are merely mathematical entities which are used to help calculate certain things in particle physics.
The vacuum energy is the chaotic nature of the dark matter which fills 'empty' space.
The following video is analogous to the chaotic nature of the dark matter and how it causes the Casimir effect.
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If by that you mean that virtual particles dot not have an existence in the way electrons and photons do then I agree. But that was never what virtual particles were intended to be used for. They are merely mathematical entities which are used to help calculate certain things in particle physics.
The vacuum energy is the chaotic nature of the dark matter which fills 'empty' space.
The following video is analogous to the chaotic nature of the dark matter and how it causes the Casimir effect.
No that video shows water and a couple of sticks, it does not show dark matter or dark energy or aether or anything to do with space.
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No that video shows water and a couple of sticks, it does not show dark matter or dark energy or aether or anything to do with space.
It's analogous to the chaotic nature of the dark matter and how it causes the Casimir effect.
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No that video shows water and a couple of sticks, it does not show dark matter or dark energy or aether or anything to do with space.
It's analogous to the chaotic nature of the dark matter and how it causes the Casimir effect.
No its some water and a couple of sticks and some really vivid imagination.
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No its some water and a couple of sticks and some really vivid imagination.
They're plates, not sticks. And it's analogous to the chaotic nature of the dark matter and how it causes the Casimir effect.
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No its some water and a couple of sticks and some really vivid imagination.
They're plates, not sticks. And it's analogous to the chaotic nature of the dark matter and how it causes the Casimir effect.
No it not analogous, the design is to use the water has a medium so the plates can couple. It is a man made thing to make plates close the gap, it means nothing accept exactly what it is, I place two magnets underwater and they adjoin, it means nothing more than the attractive force of the magnets to each other.
You science types really get carried away with things that mean nothing, dark energy and dark matter is not even detected or really exists at this time, why are you arguing that ''harry potter'' is real and talking dogma?
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Matter, quantum solids and fluids, a piece of window glass and 'stuff' have mass and so does the dark matter.
You state dark matter, something that at this time is not real, has mass, a rather bold and imaginary statement.
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You state dark matter, something that at this time is not real, has mass, a rather bold and imaginary statement.
The stars in the outer spiral arms are orbiting the galactic center too fast as can be explained by the particulate matter in the galaxy. That's one of the reasons why dark matter was hypothesized in the first place.
Most physicists think dark matter is a weakly interacting clump of stuff that travels with the matter. That is incorrect. Dark matter fills 'empty' space and is displaced by matter.
The state of displacement of the dark matter is curved spacetime.
The state of displacement of the dark matter is gravity.
The dark matter displaced by the Earth pushing back and exerting pressure toward the Earth is gravity.