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I wouldn't like it if you killed me without my permission
Which is why I said "never mind the morality....act of expediency".
There's the problem faced by conscientious objectors: when should you set local morality aside for the greater good? And that's the weakness of your search for a universal moral standard - killing bad people is sometimes a good thing to do.
Quote from: alancalverd on 06/04/2022 20:49:09 Which is why I said "never mind the morality....act of expediency". It means that you just follow your own moral standard and disregard other people's.
Morals are useless when you are dead.
Morality is a social lubricant, but like other lubricants, it only works with compatible surfaces. War is the conjunction of incompatible societies, and personal violence is the conjunction of incompatible individuals, so moral considerations may not always be paramount.
The decision to go to war or not depends on some considerations
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 25/04/2022 13:06:54The decision to go to war or not depends on some considerationsJust one: Can I gain political support or deflect mounting political criticism by invading someone else's territory?
Aha! So invasion is an inevitable consequence of third-party attitudes,
and self defence is a matter of choice.
They can choose to flee.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 09/05/2022 10:04:27They can choose to flee. Not if they are killed, surrounded and starved, enslaved, or males of military age. What fairyland do you inhabit?
So the civilians currently trapped in the Mariupol steelworks have only themselves to blame? And the soldiers defending themselves are as immoral as the scum attacking them? Get real, HY.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manA straw man (sometimes written as strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.[1] A common form of setting up such a straw man is by use of the notorious formula "so what you're saying is ... ?", converting the argument to be challenged into an obviously absurd distortion. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the opponent's proposition.[2][3] Straw man arguments have been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly regarding highly charged emotional subjects.
https://www.brainyquote.com/topics/politics-quotesOne of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. PlatoFreedom isn't free. It shouldn't be a bragging point that 'Oh, I don't get involved in politics,' as if that makes someone cleaner. No, that makes you derelict of duty in a republic. Liars and panderers in government would have a much harder time of it if so many people didn't insist on their right to remain ignorant and blindly agreeable. Bill Maher