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Is consciousness fundamental?
« on: 07/06/2020 09:22:38 »
Hi, first post here, so please disregard any unintended tribe trespassings in formats etc.
Note: I am just a general interest member, and english is not my native language.

The title question is meant as an overarch to what I am looking for. I recently read Donald D. Hoffmans "The case against reality", and it left me hungry for more of the same. I was especially intrigued with some of the material in the book which made me make the connection to the (spiritual) understanding of the nature of consciousness as found in some buddhist paradigms.
I guess I don´t need to split hairs to explain to this crowd, so here goes: Can anyone recommend any sites / forums / sources for reading more about the scientific development / work on the subject of consciousness and reality? I am familiar with "the Consciousness Project" at Princeton, for example, but to me, this seems more of a think-tanky and narrow initiative.

Are there (except from mentioned book and author) any scientific societies or institutions currently working actively on other and alternative approaches to "the fabric of physical reality" apart from "fundamental particles as real components in a time/space universe"?

Thanks, and sorry for any syntax friction.
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Re: Is consciousness fundamental?
« Reply #1 on: 07/06/2020 10:45:03 »
Welcome! I have no positive recommendations but a word of caution.

Be very critical of texts that mention "observer effects". Many physics textbooks use the term "observer" to mean "anything that is changed by an event". A lot of amateurs take the word literally, and assume it means that consciousness, however you define it, affects the result of an experiment - you will come across this particularly in the "double slit experiment".

In many classic experiments the "observer" was a photographic film, so either the film was sufficiently psychic to know that a human was going to look at it some time later, or consciousness is irrelevant.

And full marks for a clear exposition of the question!
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Re: Is consciousness fundamental?
« Reply #2 on: 07/06/2020 11:56:55 »
Thank you, good Sir!
Very good point. I guess I intuitively "know" this from somewhere, but I can see how awareness of this fact not only helps any understanding, but also keeps you on the right side of the road.
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Re: Is consciousness fundamental?
« Reply #3 on: 10/06/2020 20:47:34 »
https://www.brainpickings.org/2015/09/29/david-bohm-jiddu-krishnamurti-ending-of-time-love-intelligence/

I have no personal experience of this book, but there might be something there for you. 
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Re: Is consciousness fundamental?
« Reply #4 on: 10/06/2020 21:15:23 »
Wolf. Fred Alan,  The Yoga of Time Travel.   Quest Books, Wheaton, Illinois.  2004.
Taylor. Steve, Making Time. Icon Books Ltd. Cambridge, UK. 2008.
Some unconventional ideas in these books. 

Wertheim. Margaret,  God of the Quantum Vacuum.  New Scientist,   04.10.1997. might be worth a look, as well.
 
Large “pinch of salt” recommended in all cases. :)
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Re: Is consciousness fundamental?
« Reply #5 on: 18/06/2020 06:29:40 »
You might find interesting Christopher Michael Langan's book - The Art of Knowing: Expositions on Free Will and Selected Essays.
He is well known for his very high Mensa tested IQ and CTMU theory (Cognitive Theoretic Model Of The Universe).
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