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Doctors are saying that vitamin D as in fish and other diet elements requires sunlight to fully integrate into the body.Obviously excess must be avoided but they are saying we are tending to go to extremes that other way, especially with children.In winter I think we should look for a source of ultra-violet, in combination with the high-D foods or even vitamin supplements. Maybe not necessary to develop a full tan, but one 5 min session per week.Also, especially for those who are finding that niacin has little effect, try bolstering it with Vitamin-C and iron. These specifically help in the production of 5-htp which is a precursor to serotonin. And or if we are low in those elements could explain partly why niacin isn't working.
I find the Niacinamide works for me very well and this is comes without much of a flush, sometimes I feel a small one, but then again I take 1000mg... this almost gets rid of the brain fog and flu..... BUT!!!!! I need to find something to help with the DRIVE.... I have no drive, I just want to sit and do nothing, I have no enthusiasm at all.... I am self employed, I have a line up of paying contracts, I am totally out of money, so you would think you could work at these paying contracts..... nope, I can not find any motivation to do almost anything..... its very bad.....I have been reading this forum and have not noted much about fixing this part of the problem.PS.
Quote from: POIS-SUFFERER on 24/01/2012 22:01:25I find the Niacinamide works for me very well and this is comes without much of a flush, sometimes I feel a small one, but then again I take 1000mg... this almost gets rid of the brain fog and flu..... BUT!!!!! I need to find something to help with the DRIVE.... I have no drive, I just want to sit and do nothing, I have no enthusiasm at all.... I am self employed, I have a line up of paying contracts, I am totally out of money, so you would think you could work at these paying contracts..... nope, I can not find any motivation to do almost anything..... its very bad.....I have been reading this forum and have not noted much about fixing this part of the problem.PS.Interesting, niacin, at least for me, also fixed the drive. I've got lots of it. I don't know if that might be a difference between niacinimide and niacin or not. Also look at boosting with vitamin C and iron! See if that helps.BTW when do you take your niacinamide, one hour before as well? Did you start out with 1000mg or less, and did you try with niacin before, if so what was your dose with that (as a reference)?.
I am not depressed I have hope.
Quote from: POIS-SUFFERER on 26/01/2012 00:00:48I am not depressed I have hope.POIS-SUFFERER, thank you for the message of hope. Your message may bring that same message of hope to other POIS sufferers who read this.
Lack of emotions and drive have long been two key symptoms of POIS for me and stress seems often to make cognitive POIS symptoms worse. I can definitely identify with your situation POIS-SUFFERER. I'm afraid I don't have concrete suggestions for you other than to try to limit the stress but I know that is easier said than done. Niacin hasn't worked for me so far but I'm glad you have had at least partial success. Good luck. Its good to read you have hope. With the progress we've made over the last year there's more reason for us all to have hope. Sorry I can't offer more but I hope the iron + C helps...According to NHS site, the recommended daily allowance of iron is 8.7mg/day for men. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vitamins-minerals/Pages/Iron.aspxAdults need 40mg vitamin C per day. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vitamins-minerals/Pages/Vitamin-C.aspxAs you may know, vitamin C isn't stored in the body so one can generally take more of this. A popular brand of multivitamin supplement here in the UK (called Centrum) has 5mg Iron and 100mg vitamin C. Vitamin C supplements with far higher doses (eg. 1000mg) are available.
I was unable to modify my last message, tried twice!I am also under much stress from work and family so this may also be the reason the motivation and emotions are really broken, I am not depressed I have hope......PS.
Quote from: mellivora on 26/01/2012 02:39:34Lack of emotions and drive have long been two key symptoms of POIS for me and stress seems often to make cognitive POIS symptoms worse. I can definitely identify with your situation POIS-SUFFERER. I'm afraid I don't have concrete suggestions for you other than to try to limit the stress but I know that is easier said than done. Niacin hasn't worked for me so far but I'm glad you have had at least partial success. Good luck. Its good to read you have hope. With the progress we've made over the last year there's more reason for us all to have hope. Sorry I can't offer more but I hope the iron + C helps...According to NHS site, the recommended daily allowance of iron is 8.7mg/day for men. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vitamins-minerals/Pages/Iron.aspxAdults need 40mg vitamin C per day. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/vitamins-minerals/Pages/Vitamin-C.aspxAs you may know, vitamin C isn't stored in the body so one can generally take more of this. A popular brand of multivitamin supplement here in the UK (called Centrum) has 5mg Iron and 100mg vitamin C. Vitamin C supplements with far higher doses (eg. 1000mg) are available.We have Centrum in Canada also.... UK/Canada a lot of similarities :-)So all I need is a good multi then, I will check to make sure what I use has at least the daily recommened and go from there....Would extra IRON be bad?Also has the NIACIN+IRON+C mix also help with the joint and muscle pain, this too is bothersome, and is part of my POIS.PS.
And Mel if the niacin isn't working for you, it would be a fantastic test if you could take the C+Iron as well with niacin to see if that makes a difference. I'd like to start isolating the situation for those where niacin doesn't work.Maybe my levels of C and iron are normally good, so the effectivity of niacin is good, and in some others, their normal C+Iron are low? A couple of tests and we should know.I imagine that the c+iron wiuld be taken daily, whereas the niacin just 1 hr before orgasm as always.
Quote from: daveman on 26/01/2012 11:13:45And Mel if the niacin isn't working for you, it would be a fantastic test if you could take the C+Iron as well with niacin to see if that makes a difference. I'd like to start isolating the situation for those where niacin doesn't work.Maybe my levels of C and iron are normally good, so the effectivity of niacin is good, and in some others, their normal C+Iron are low? A couple of tests and we should know.I imagine that the c+iron wiuld be taken daily, whereas the niacin just 1 hr before orgasm as always.Daveman, you are right that C+iron only instead of multivits would keep the tests more specific. I find your statement that multivits made you worse interesting. Perhaps you are getting too much of something in that case. But are you saying you tried niacin whilst on mulltivits and the niacin didn't work so well or that your symptoms used to be worse when you were on multivits (before you discovered niacin).I have recently been taking multivits (not the case in my previous niacin tests) - I do this from time to time (probably just once or twice a year) when I know I haven't been eating as much fruit and veg as I normally do. And I plan to test niacin again in next couple of days. This time I plan to test in the morning because I haven't tested a good flush-O combination at this time of day and also it'll be empty stomach. It'll likely be my last test before I move on to levocetirizine dihydrochloride (antihistamine tested by Joe Burger). I suspect taking multivits could affect one's niacin flush threshold as they contain niacin. We've also seen one or two cases where taking niacin regularly hasn't helped people much but when regular doses were stopped and and niacin was taken before O only, the niacin became more effective. So multivits containing a regular smallish dose of niacin might take the edge off the effectiveness of the pre-O dose in a similar way. Or it could just raise one's tolerance to Niacin meaning more is needed for a flush. (Or it could mean less is needed for a flush because the body is already quite well saturated with Niacin although we have read how one can build a tolerance to Niacin)