Naked Science Forum
Non Life Sciences => Chemistry => Topic started by: neilep on 15/09/2009 09:44:14
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Dearest Peeps Of Nobility Grandeur,
As a sheepy I of course am akin to royalty...in some cases, when ' on the job'..I am referred to in some cases as "oh Omnipotent Being..Oh Omnipotent One..Oh My Omnipotent One..ooooohhhhhhh Yesssssssssssssssssss "...as ewe can see..very noble indeed !!
So, ewe can imagine my joy and surprise when i discovered that certain metals shared this level of upper hierarchy.
look here's one:
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Platinum Being Well Played By Mike Oldfield
Platinum and Gold , Palladium are all known as Noble metals....why's that then ?..what's so noble about them...?..They are precious and shiny..I grant ewe that but so is my butt !
Knowing this will be good for me as it's something I would like to know.
thanks
Hugs et les shmishes
mwah mwah mwah
Neil
Noble Metal Investigator
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I think this is a popular language thing.
In days of old (when Knights were bold) people would wake in the morning and have something to eat. This was referred to as to 'break your fast'. This was shortened to 'break fast' and then the two words were joined to become 'breakfast'.
With these precious metals, the rich and influential wanted to have their homes adorned with a private chapel with it's own belfry and, of course, bell, made from such a metal.
However, the bell foundry informed these people that these metals were no good for making bells. These metals became known as 'no bell metals' which was shortened to 'no bell' and then to 'nobell'. The word was then shortened again to 'nobel', but this caused confusion. Some thought they had won a prize, so the spelling was changed to 'noble'.
If you believe that, then read on:
I have a sum of money in a Nigerian bank (£3,000,000,000) which I need to transfer to my account with Conbank. You could help me and I will share the money with you. Just send me your bank details, user name and password and I will transfer out in huge wads of dosh.
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WOW !!
This is fantastic. Thank ewe very much Mr Don. This is why ewe are so well luffed here. Sincere and filled with honesty so much so that Angels blush.
Well, I'm convinced !
I will of course tender ewe my bank details. I am delighted to accept your kind con offer. In fact, I have experience in these matters. I have assisted many transactions like this and I understand that it can take many years to reap the rewards, but, I'm a patient sheepy and am happy to pay the monthly admin fees that they take from my neighbours account. No doubt your transaction will incur the same duty yes ?
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AH! You are a
gullible **** sheepy of great understanding and thicko patients. Indeed it will be some time before the funds reach your account. But it will be well worth while in the end, for me anyway..... OOHHhhh!!! What a giveaway.
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I have a sum of money in a Nigerian bank (£3,000,000,000)
3 billion Nigerian dollars huh? Isn't that like, 1 euro and 75 cents?
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Hmmmm....I am having a ' reading-between-the-lines-moment ' here...oooh..I just can not put my finger on it !!
Wow !..that's a swell exchange rate cited by Nizzle (who is also great) above !
well, I'm convinced again...at that rate of exchange I would be silly to not proceed !
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I have a sum of money in a Nigerian bank (£3,000,000,000)
3 billion Nigerian dollars huh? Isn't that like, 1 euro and 75 cents?
No, no, Nizzle, it's £3,000,000,000 - UK pounds, so that's about €2.99
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In 1902, scientists began to use the word “noble” to describe gases known for their inactivity and inertness – that is, their inability to combine with other substances. They adopted this word for this use because of its use since the Late Middle Ages to describe precious stones, metals, etc that similarly did not combine with other substances. And the word had this use back then because of its sense of “having admirable properties”, which people had already been using the previous few generations.
THANK EWE DiscoverDave !!.(DiscoverDave is great !)..I appreciate very muchly your kind answer. It is a welcome respite from the miscreant-al proletariats donations above [;)], in that, it actually answers the question (though, I am still convinced by Dons answer !....albeit ewe have tipped my belief this way)...
I see now and comprehend the nature of the word 'noble' and the historical reference is very interesting. Yes...yes of course...I knew gold was inert and wasn't too sure about platinum and palladium. So, as ewe say..there must be some Noble stones too ! presumably diamonds and rubies perhaps ?
Thank ewe very much again
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Dearest Peeps Of Nobility Grandeur,
As a sheepy I of course am akin to royalty...in some cases, when ' on the job'..I am referred to in some cases as "oh Omnipotent Being..Oh Omnipotent One..Oh My Omnipotent One..ooooohhhhhhh Yesssssssssssssssssss "...as ewe can see..very noble indeed !!
So, ewe can imagine my joy and surprise when i discovered that certain metals shared this level of upper hierarchy.
look here's one:
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Platinum Being Well Played By Mike Oldfield
Platinum and Gold , Palladium are all known as Noble metals....why's that then ?..what's so noble about them...?..They are precious and shiny..I grant ewe that but so is my butt !
Knowing this will be good for me as it's something I would like to know.
thanks
Hugs et les shmishes
mwah mwah mwah
Neil
Noble Metal Investigator
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A year ago in a chemistry class i was attending, the lecturer spoke about noble gases; and she explained that the name ''noble'' has some meaning attached to it since noble gases do not react with other forms, so they are noble in that sense.
Now, i don't know if she was joking or being serious.
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I... didn't even know that Palladium was a kind of metal... In fact, the first time I heard that word was about a year ago, as a part of a Yu-Gi-Oh!'s card name: Palladium Oracle Mahad, thus make me thinking that the "Palladium" part was derived from "Palladin"...
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The noble metals are those that do not react with dilute hydrochloric acid. Or at least they were when I was trying to be a chemist. Same usage as "noble gases". Palladium will dissolve slowly in concentrated HCl so is a bit marginal. Au and Pt are unusual in that they occur as pure metal in nature.
I have never understood how or why the Book of Mormon came to be written in black on gold plates. You can't etch gold because although it dissolves in aqua regia, so does a steel pen. So it must be painted with a thick ink. But anyone with the wisdom of the ancients or whatever they claim, would know that ordinary carbon ink on vellum or acid-free paper is far more persistent than paint on gold.
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I'm fairly sure you can write on gold with chloroplatinic acid - and a feather pen.
The pen won't last long.
However the platinum black etched into the gold will be there for a while.