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In general, it could be the case that POIS is a compensation mechanism to an over-production. If other agents (e.g. fenugreek, relora) could keep the post-orgasm peak-level within normal bounds, they could also prevent the reaction-compensation from occurring.
Guthrie--Thanks for your efforts to explain and graph your theory. In my case, I think that the The Diagram 2 graph fits a description of what might be happening for me with a single orgasm. But the Diagram 3 graph with the "double" orgasm does not describe my experience. After the first orgasm I have absolutely no willingness or energy for another.Perhaps this reveals the difference between those of us who tend to be more cortisol high and those who are cortisol deficient.
@demoI get a bit scared when I read on the re-uniting site that high levels of cortisol can be toxic to brain cells. Made me think of Demo....and then made me think of my own brain.
It was through nocturnal emissions I realized that I was having physical loss (semen) with absolutely no physical contact (manual, oral, penile/vaginal sexuality). This concretized, for me, the connection between the brain and semen. While some people experience a greater sense of connectedness, warmth, emotional safety and physical closeness upon orgasm, I am, if I am honest with myself, not one of them. This is why the Hindu-esque or Taoist-esque expositions around semen retention always, sort of, appealed to me, but even that explanation was insufficient. While I don't experience 'flu-like symptoms' there is an 'allergic' quality, upon orgasm, extremely similar, identical actually, to what the alcoholics describe in their literature as 'hangovers'. The 'allergy' I feel on the one extreme, compared to the magic I feel from 'semen retention' make this a slam dunk, for me.
Quote from: rock27 on 07/01/2009 18:21:10@demoI get a bit scared when I read on the re-uniting site that high levels of cortisol can be toxic to brain cells. Made me think of Demo....and then made me think of my own brain. High cortisol levels can damage brain cells in the hypothalamus and hippocampus. I don't think it would cause an empty sellum... Besides, we don't know whether Demo has high cortisol.
Steve, FWIW, as I mentioned on earlier posts, I chased the Taoist theories and methods for years to no avail. Girlwind has too (I shouldn't speak for her, but I do recall a couple posts she made to that effect).
But with all the recent chastity talk reminding me that it's the only current, "surefire" cure, I think I'll try to hold out a little longer.
but refraining from orgasm is something I'm learning to excel at.
I don't think going to great lengths to avoid orgasm is the best option for all of us. I was corresponding to the MD PhD researcher I've mentioned, who is studying POIS, and has personally had at least 4-6 POIS sufferers as patients. He said he asked one patient to try having one orgasm/day for two weeks. At the end of the two weeks, he reported being 80% better. Just to counter balance some of the recent posts.
Guys and gal,I also talked, at a group level of about 20 folks about POIS, having worked on it for 18 years, come this May, and committing, after a 20 month experiment, to surrendering orgasmic sexuality. I was shocked at the joylessness in the room, but I'm getting more used to that response the last 10 days. I can't find anyone who wants to celebrate my victory over my being slaughtered for 18 years, day after day, year after year by POIS...So, I'm going to celebrate myself. What I did tonight was to play Hendrix songs for 2 hours. I love his music and it was a great physical joy to be able to do something creative instead of being hung over with POIS. Tomorrow, I'm going to celebrate by buying myself some new shoes. I can teach myself to have the courage to celebrate.
Quote from: Counterpoints on 07/01/2009 23:28:22I don't think going to great lengths to avoid orgasm is the best option for all of us. I was corresponding to the MD PhD researcher I've mentioned, who is studying POIS, and has personally had at least 4-6 POIS sufferers as patients. He said he asked one patient to try having one orgasm/day for two weeks. At the end of the two weeks, he reported being 80% better. Just to counter balance some of the recent posts. Counterpoints, I don't think anyone knows what's best for all of us and my sense is that what works for one of us may not work for others. Some folks seem to find Relora working, some Fenugreek, some multiple orgasms and some no orgasms. My doctor initially suggested daily ejaculation. That was very bad advice , for me, and he later recanted.