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FENUGREEKWhat doses and frequency are people using? Is Solgar the preferred brand?How was fenugreek first stumbled upon? What was the theory? Cortisol? Oxytocin?Just a reminder: Fenugreek is in pharmacy Rx-interaction systems, so it behooves us to check (OTC, too)
Hi everybody, I'm new here. This forum has been the best on the subject of POIS I have discovered so far. I want to say thank you to all the suffering who were so forthcoming with their posts. I have been suffering with POIS for about 20 years. I have been diagnosed with unipolar depression for about 16 years. My psych. tells me he thinks the two are related...
When I first tested Fenugreek, I had been doing some research into oxytocin, since it is known to be released during orgasm. My initial thought was that my oxytocin reserves might somehow have been severely depleted during orgasm, leading to the symptoms of POIS. Maybe having more oxytocin available would lessen the symptoms?Various websites credit Fenugreek with having an "oxytocin-like" effect - as synthetic oxytocin is very difficult to obtain and administer, I thought it would be worth giving Fenugreek a try.My other line of thinking was that there is research showing a connection between autism and low oxytocin levels: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/21920One of the main symptoms of POIS is inability to socialise properly - could it be that POIS makes us feel temporarily a little autistic due to oxytocin depletion?Aside from its very pleasing success at getting rid of my POIS symptoms, it has the side effect when I use it of making me feel closer to people and more sociable than I have ever been before. Other people have genuinely reciprocated my new-found sociability - if it didn't sound rather boastful, I would say that it has made me more charismatic
RE:Demografxhurray came up with the idea for taking fenugreek as an oxytocin synergist. I was the one who connected your experiences with levitra to oxytocin since PDE-5 inhibitors increase the level of pituitary oxytocin release when taken before sexual stimulation. What's interesting to me is that laroux stated that the release of oxytocin and vasopressin can cause hyponatremia. Something that his girlfriend might have. What really interests me is the connection between all these phenomena and potential remedies.
My girlfriend, who is 36, has been suffering from POIS for several years and I think we've finally found something that alleviates her symptoms and possibly is causing them. Prior to the onset of POIS at age 34, she had never had issues with feeling lousy after orgasm, now she is basically bedridden for two days afterward. All of her symptoms seem to be the same as the men who post on this forum. She also has been complaining of severe back and shoulder pain (unrelated to sex) for about the same 2 year period. She has tried all sorts of treatments for the back pain and none seem to work. She also has the same POIS systems the day after after drinking ANY alchol... and I mean only 1 sip. She doesn't get the typical hangover (headache, nausea) like most people, just severe POIS like symptoms. She says it feels exactly the same. I think it was this link that helped us to find out what was going on with her.Yesterday we were just cuddling and both became aroused. The phone rang and the mood passed... we wound up not having sex. Even so, she began suffering from POIS systems shortly afterward. Out of compassion for her and frustration for what was happening to her, I began researching the link between sexual arousal and hormone release. In both men and women, I found that Oxytocin and Vasopressin are released during sexual arousal and peak their release during orgasm. I further discovered that in some people, this release of Oxytocin and vasopressin can cause hyponatremia,(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia) which can result in the severe myalgiaic symptoms, fatigue and headache that she experiences. The result of the hyponatremia is a low sodium electrolyte balance. I gave her a small glass of water with 1/2 teaspoon of salt and she felt better within 5 minutes. Has anyone else tried saltwater and felt better?While we don't know the root cause of her sodium electrolyte imbalance, we have now tried the saltwater thing 3-4 times and in every case it has not only resolved her symptoms completely but made her feel fantastic. Her back pain and joint pain even resolved. Clearly she has to be careful about how much saltwater she ingests but the link between electrolyte imbalance and her POIS symptoms could not be ignored. Has anyone else tried this treatment with success?She has not had any alcohol since we discovered this treatment for her POIS symptoms. We don't know if they are related but if anyone else has these "hangovers" that mirror POIS symptoms after just a tiny amount of alcohol, we'd be very interested to know. Also, please let us know if the saltwater works for you.
Quote from: martin88 on 23/11/2008 20:32:21It would be great to know if you took other meds with Levitra.No, nothing else with Levitra. Although, I can't help but think that perhaps it was a placebo effect. At the time, I was just starting to date my girlfriend and I couldn't wipe the smile off my face if you know what I mean. It may have negated the effects of POIS. I've tried again, more recently, only I had about 3 orgasms in a three hour period. It did not prevent POIS. All times, it was a 10MG dose, and all times I had dry sinuses as the main side effect.
It would be great to know if you took other meds with Levitra.
The times that I've tried Tantra, I've felt satisfied without ejaculation, I had no POIS symptoms. There definitely is a link between ejaculation and POIS, for me anyway.
Quote from: martin88 on 23/11/2008 20:23:31[Is there] a good article concerning SSRI or SNRI and cortisol[?]...Martin, my psychiatrist-friend's reply:Hi [demografx], Not really. There is a general association between depression and increased cortisol levels and PTSD and low cortisols. If you Google cortisol and either SSRI or depression, there are many many hits. [signed]
[Is there] a good article concerning SSRI or SNRI and cortisol[?]...
This thread has exploded!The longer I've belonged to the thread the more I want to test Dr. Waldinger's hypothsis. The question is how? Should I suppress my immune system and test? Sounds dangerous!I have an idea but it might be hard to communicate. Dr. Waldinger beleived POIS is an immune response to a hormone/chemical released after orgasm, right? What if we research all chemcals released and then, one at a time, take each one and observe what happens? If Waldinger is correct our body should react when we take a certain chemical. No? Thoughts?
Thank you Whoa. So the mystery remains. I'd really like to know the impact SSRI can have on pois. I tend to believe that the combination of a long sexual abstinence helped by SSRI can have a positive impact on pois.
Martin88, SSRIs (I've been on many) had no effect on my POIS, although they assisted my PE somewhat.