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Non Life Sciences => Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology => Topic started by: benm on 29/03/2019 14:29:26

Title: Why don't atmospheric gases separate according to specific gravities?
Post by: benm on 29/03/2019 14:29:26
Ralph has a question:

Why, do not the atmospheric gases separate and stay apart in accordance with their individual specific gravities?

Does anyone have an answer (without gas-bagging)?
Title: Re: Why don't atmospheric gases separate according to specific gravities?
Post by: chiralSPO on 29/03/2019 18:58:12
There is a very small amount of separation, but this is largely due to the fact that most of the gases that make up the atmosphere have very similar molecular masses (N2 28, O2 32, Ar 40).

The difference in gravitational potential energy that would occur by stratifying would be less than the energy equivalent of the decrease in entropy (due to unmixing) at the temperature that the atmosphere is. Same reason that vodka doesn't spontaneously separate into water and ethanol (which is about 20% less dense than water).
Title: Re: Why don't atmospheric gases separate according to specific gravities?
Post by: Bored chemist on 29/03/2019 19:01:13
The simple answer is that diffusion mixes them.
Strictly speaking, they would segregate , but only to a tiny extent. (and so does the vodka)

Thermal currents will mix them anyway.
Title: Re: Why don't atmospheric gases separate according to specific gravities?
Post by: evan_au on 29/03/2019 21:46:00
At the microscopic scale, molecules in the air are charging around at speeds around the speed of sound. This causes a lot of mixing at microscopic scales.

At medium scales (such as shown on weather maps), high and low pressure regions cause winds and storms that mix the air on scales of hundreds of kilometers.

At larger scales, heating from the sun, and the rotation of the Earth produce large-scale mixing of the atmosphere, on scales of thousands of kilometers.   

Our Earth is a pretty mixed-up place!
Title: Re: Why don't atmospheric gases separate according to specific gravities?
Post by: alancalverd on 30/03/2019 00:34:25
They do separate, despite thermal and turbulent mixing. The upper atmosphere does contain slighty less oxygen and a lot less carbon dioxide than the lower atmosphere.