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I have a question. Two objects that have different amounts of mass both fall to the ground at the same speed. The differences in mass playing no part on the speed. So what do both objects have that is equal? equal speed = ??The answer to this answers gravity.
an accelerating frame will experience an increasing time dilation
Quote from: jeffreyH on 25/10/2017 21:12:55an accelerating frame will experience an increasing time dilation from whose point of view?
Not the accelerating frame's point of view.
They have the same ratio of gravitational mass to inertial mass.(as far as we know, everything has- but there's no obvious reason why)
1) There is an inflowing and an out flowing gravitational wave energy component to all wave-particles, and therefore to all mass which is composed of wave particles.
There is a recurrent pattern of coming and going or decline and regrowth that is happening at the same time of an event, action or object that clearly shows or embodies something abstract or theoretical in the sense of not mixed or adulterated with any other substance or material other than itself. A point like density that can only co-exist with it's opposite sign. A river flows at a constant rate and regardless of mass the objects flow at the same rate as the flow.
Quote from: Thebox on 26/10/2017 20:27:40There is a recurrent pattern of coming and going or decline and regrowth that is happening at the same time of an event, action or object that clearly shows or embodies something abstract or theoretical in the sense of not mixed or adulterated with any other substance or material other than itself. A point like density that can only co-exist with it's opposite sign. A river flows at a constant rate and regardless of mass the objects flow at the same rate as the flow. It doesn’t look like you are arguing against the inflow and out flow concept of gravitational wave energy. You seem to be acknowledging that there is some sort of quantum action going on to sustain the presence of mass and gravity. In my alternative view, that is accomplished by the presence of wave-particles and quantum gravity.
but in our atmosphere, they fall at different rates of velocity.
Quote from: atbsphotography on 27/10/2017 11:15:03but in our atmosphere, they fall at different rates of velocity. No, the feather still falls at the same force, but the air slows it down. G is a constant to all objects.
Remove the wording of wave and wave- particles and we would be in some agreement yet again. The apple falling to the ground is not a consequence of the apple, for up high the rivers inward flow is weak but strengthens nearer the epi-centre. Gravity is a ''river'' and put any boats in the river and they all flow at the same rate. The rivers flow is constant and momentum is acceleration.
Quote from: Thebox on 27/10/2017 10:51:09Remove the wording of wave and wave- particles and we would be in some agreement yet again. The apple falling to the ground is not a consequence of the apple, for up high the rivers inward flow is weak but strengthens nearer the epi-centre. Gravity is a ''river'' and put any boats in the river and they all flow at the same rate. The rivers flow is constant and momentum is acceleration. The acceleration of gravity on Earth is 32 feet per second squared (9.8 m/s^2) which is the g in F=m*g., and you can and do equate that to the effect that the flowing river has on the an object falling into it. The object accelerates relative to the drop position as it catches up with the rate of the river’s flow.An object in free fall in space will accelerate at g (32ft/s^2) right up until it impacts, while the object that fell into the river will accelerate only until it reaches the velocity of the flowing river, and then it will go with the flow. So the analogy to a river can work but is limited. Your point though, that it is not about the apple, the apple could be a whole tree limb, and it would still be caught up in the acceleration of gravity at the same rate as the tiny apple (and both would be caught up in the river flow at the same rate too).The OP was about the thing that is the same, besides the fact that both the light object and the heavy object fall at the same rate of acceleration. As you said, the answer to what else is the same, answers gravity. I was agreeing with you by musing about some possible mechanics of quantum gravity; those mechanics are what I was suggesting is the other “sameness”.Quantum gravity, when it is solved, may very will be associated with the concept that particles are composed of wave energy in quantum increments, each quanta being a tiny increment of the objects total mass. That would mean that instead of the standard particle model’s premise that fundamental particles have no internal composition (they can be taken as points for convenience in mathematics), the quantum gravity solution may turn out to use wave mechanics of quantum particles whose internal composition is measured in numbers of quanta in a complex standing wave pattern (the quanta then become the points). I’m supposing that pattern equates to multiple quanta (huge numbers of momentary and continually refreshing individual high energy density spots that form at the wave intersections of the pattern as gravitational wave energy inflows and out flows). So that is why I bring in the mention of waves and wave particles; it was part of my answer to your opening post.Regardless, there are some areas of agreement with your river flow analogy.
Well my answer to gravity is the N-field and the n-field, waves are ripples of the n-fields and cause and affect is an invert force that compresses the field to cause a linearity to be wave like. If you can imagine putting pressure on a ''rod'' the ''rod'' will bend.
It is also F=ma not F=m*g where m is the mass and (a) is the acceleration at 9.82m/s2 which is a gravitational constant.
You have a point. “F=“ is “force=“, and I wasn’t specific but the F in F=m*g is F(gravity), in which case the "a" from F=ma, which is acceleration, is replaced by the acceleration of gravity, “g”.http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/1DKin/Lesson-5/Acceleration-of-Gravity
"Two objects that have different amounts of mass both fall to the ground at the same speed"They actually fall at slightly different rates depending on the ratio of their masses to that of the Earth but as we are normally interested in objects that have a tiny mass compared to that of the Earth the difference it hard to notice