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So who are we? You claim that yourself is in involvement in the hiring of scientists, I assume you must be a politician?
The problem you are ignoring is the very fact that if something is identified, it is no longer a UFO. So to claim to have touched a UFO is a lie.
Quote from: Thebox on 28/10/2017 00:33:31The problem you are ignoring is the very fact that if something is identified, it is no longer a UFO. So to claim to have touched a UFO is a lie.1) Have you watched the videos? 2) The UFOs in the story were (according to claims) touched, not identified.
I have watched possibly 100's of videos on UFO's in my time . Once you have seen one you have more or less seen them all.
Quote from: Thebox on 28/10/2017 13:04:45I have watched possibly 100's of videos on UFO's in my time . Once you have seen one you have more or less seen them all. Ok, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about so I'm gonna have to let you go. Sorry, no personal offense intended, but we either have to raise the game here or I need to be gone before I get bored and grumpy.
UFO's are such a broad spectrum of objects, in a sense UFO's are real, just not in the way most people think. For example, someone seeing a silhouette of a helium balloon could interpret that as a UFO in nature, purely because they cannot fully make out what they are seeing, so in essence we know it is a helium balloon because we can see it in the light but a person viewing the aforementioned balloon from a mile away wouldn't know what it is if they saw it as a silhouette. So person A, who knows it is nothing more than a helium balloon can state that as a fact, but person B who is a mile away would believe it is an unidentified flying object and that would also be a fact. The two people who can see the same object but from a mile apart are both right if one only looks at it logically. Therefore the existence of UFO's is a reality but the jury is out if they are Alien in nature.
Quote from: atbsphotography on 28/10/2017 13:32:04UFO's are such a broad spectrum of objects, in a sense UFO's are real, just not in the way most people think. For example, someone seeing a silhouette of a helium balloon could interpret that as a UFO in nature, purely because they cannot fully make out what they are seeing, so in essence we know it is a helium balloon because we can see it in the light but a person viewing the aforementioned balloon from a mile away wouldn't know what it is if they saw it as a silhouette. So person A, who knows it is nothing more than a helium balloon can state that as a fact, but person B who is a mile away would believe it is an unidentified flying object and that would also be a fact. The two people who can see the same object but from a mile apart are both right if one only looks at it logically. Therefore the existence of UFO's is a reality but the jury is out if they are Alien in nature.Good answer atb, like I, have been trying to explain to the opp.However, I can show alien existence for real without the aid of you-tube videos. I have astounding axiom facts of logic. P=1
Quote from: Thebox on 28/10/2017 13:35:03Quote from: atbsphotography on 28/10/2017 13:32:04UFO's are such a broad spectrum of objects, in a sense UFO's are real, just not in the way most people think. For example, someone seeing a silhouette of a helium balloon could interpret that as a UFO in nature, purely because they cannot fully make out what they are seeing, so in essence we know it is a helium balloon because we can see it in the light but a person viewing the aforementioned balloon from a mile away wouldn't know what it is if they saw it as a silhouette. So person A, who knows it is nothing more than a helium balloon can state that as a fact, but person B who is a mile away would believe it is an unidentified flying object and that would also be a fact. The two people who can see the same object but from a mile apart are both right if one only looks at it logically. Therefore the existence of UFO's is a reality but the jury is out if they are Alien in nature.Good answer atb, like I, have been trying to explain to the opp.However, I can show alien existence for real without the aid of you-tube videos. I have astounding axiom facts of logic. P=1Thanks! I have a good mind for this sort of thing. Please, could you tell me some of these axiom facts? I'm very intrigued.
Therefore the existence of UFO's is a reality but the jury is out if they are Alien in nature.
Are there non-human objects flying around the sky under intelligent control of some kind? This is typically what people mean by "UFO".
So person A, who knows it is nothing more than a helium balloon can state that as a fact, but person B who is a mile away would believe it is an unidentified flying object and that would also be a fact. The two people who can see the same object but from a mile apart are both right if one only looks at it logically.
In order for skeptics to be right every single one of the thousands of UFO reports have to be wrong. In order for the UFO believers to be right, only one case needs to be a real UFO.
Are UFOs real? Are people who report sightings seeing something that is actually there? Or is this whole phenomena just a massive pile of confusion and hype?
Finally, the logic math here is quite challenging. In order for skeptics to be right every single one of the thousands of UFO reports have to be wrong. In order for the UFO believers to be right, only one case needs to be a real UFO.
Are they aliens? Who knows? I haven't seen any solid evidence of that.
But I find it awfully hard to accept that everyone who reports seeing something a liar or crackpot. There are just too many of them for that.
Have you watched any of the videos listed above?
you don't yet seem to grasp the credibility of some of those making reports
The relevant question is, are _ALL_ of the cases mis-identifications, hoaxes or other false information? That's what skeptics have to claim. Every single case, wrong.
Even in the abduction stories
Quote Even in the abduction stories A possible explanation for this would be someone who inadvertently fell asleep/ collapsed while out walking and they had an out of body experience, having had one of these myself ( Thankfully in the comfort of my bed) I can say this as a fact in my own way. Reason being when you have an out of body experience you can sometimes see figures standing near you or distant from you and these figures as anonymous as they are, rarely have identifiable features. Meaning a person who has an out of body experience for the first time could well assume that it was an abduction by aliens based on the characteristics of the experience they had.
In a sleep study by the Out-Of-Body Experience Research Center in Los Angeles, 20 volunteers were instructed to perform a series of mental steps upon waking up or becoming lucid during the night that might lead them to have out-of-body experiences culminating in perceived encounters with aliens. According to lead researcher Michael Raduga, more than half the volunteers experienced at least one full or partial out-of-body experience, and seven of them were able to make contact with UFOs or extraterrestrials during these dream-like experiences.
I can't say I have, I commented exactly how I see it, I don't need to watch a video to know what it means.
Quote from: atbsphotography on 29/10/2017 16:56:37I can't say I have, I commented exactly how I see it, I don't need to watch a video to know what it means. Should you decide to watch the videos and wish to discuss it further after doing so, happy to join you there.