[Petrochemicals]

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[championoftruth (OP)]

It seems the sub collapsed and if that's the case there wouldn't have been time for anyone to record a "last goodbye".

But, if I was on a trip like that I'd have taken at least one video camera with me.
I guess there were video cameras running at the time of the disaster.

I noted that 500 other people died that day but were totally ignored by everyone being plebs they don't count.

'But they're human beings! Have some empathy!'

No. Billionaires are not like you and me. And that dehumanization is entirely done on purpose by themselves. That?s what they wanted. They have insulated themselves from regular human experiences. They don?t want to be on our level. If you and I died, it?d be like ants died for these people.

250K can pay off a lot of lunch debt for poor children. But no? They spend 250K, a quarter million dollars a pop, altogether over a million dollars to go on a risky ?expedition? in a carbon fiber tube to visit an underwater graveyard for the poor (The victims of Titanic were overwhelmingly poor people below deck.)

Do you know there was a refugee boat sunk about the same time when the Titan submersible went missing? Hundreds on board were missing and presumed dead. Every year thousands of indigenous women go missing. Dead refugees and missing minority women were so commonplace we barely had any media coverage.

But 5 rich dudes missing? OMG, 24/7 coverage everywhere. The US and Canadian coast guards went on extensive searches, all paid by tax dollars. Paid by us, poor people these billionaires don?t give a **** about.

Did the coast guard make an effort to save these refugees? Sure, the particular refugee boat sunk in the Mediterranean Sea, which isn?t part of the jurisdiction of the US or Canadian coast guard.

You, being the heartless jerk, want to split that hair. But there are thousands of people being trafficked in and out of the US. Other than persecuting the actual victims, did the US border patrol do anything the help the poor and the desperate?

As I mentioned above, and you conveniently ignored, thousands of Indigenous women go missing every year. Do you even hear about them in the media at all?

No. Because? what? Their lives aren?t nearly as valuable as some ?visionary? billionaire who made their money by exploiting other people?!

These people honor nothing, the least lives of regular folks. These people do not deserve to be ?honored.?

I  hate this rhetoric about how tragic this is. It is the worst kind of pearl-clutching virtual signaling. It is the worst kind because it is easy. It is convenient. You make no effort and take no risk to make such a claim. I hope you enjoy your brown nosing performance, even though they?re more than happy to exploit you to death.

?They made their choices. They choose to waste their lives away. They need to learn to be accountable for their own actions.?

Tell me, Is this me talking about billionaires in submersibles, or conservatives talking about homeless people?

I?ve learned a lot about what happens to human beings when they?re in a confined space and implode under enormous pressure. Their death is instantaneous and painless. In fact, the implosion happens so fast our brain won?t be able to sense pain or even process the visual signals. After that, their body will be cooked and turned into basically minced fish food squeezed out of the collapsed wreckage.

Circle of life, you know.

There wouldn?t be any bodies to recover.

And if you eat Atlantic salmon fished out in the next 2 or 3 weeks, there might be slight changes we?d be eating the rich.

[alancalverd]

I noted that 500 other people died that day but were totally ignored by everyone being plebs they don't count.

Worldwide, the number was closer to 400,000. But to quote Stalin, "One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic."

"News" is what the media choose to report.

But the maritime convention is that the nearest vessels shall attend a vessel (including downed aircraft) in distress on the high seas,  coastguards must attend reported incidents in their jurisdiction, and owners or insurers will pay for salvage (including the forensic value) of material recovered. So this effort was motivated by humanitarian convention, law, scientific interest and a hint of financial reward.

[paul cotter]

The world has always been beset with multiple horrors and injustices, as long as man has been here and will unfortunately be so in the future. This is , however a science forum, not an ethics forum and the original question is whether a mobile device could survive- I believe this has been comprehensively ruled out.

[alancalverd]

Agreed, but science without ethics is undesirable, and even theoretical physics costs money, so an occasional discussion of the justification of effort is surely tolerable? 

[paul cotter]

Yes, accepted.

[Petrochemicals]

It seems the sub collapsed and if that's the case there wouldn't have been time for anyone to record a "last goodbye".

But, if I was on a trip like that I'd have taken at least one video camera with me.
I guess there were video cameras running at the time of the disaster.

I noted that 500 other people died that day but were totally ignored by everyone being plebs they don't count.

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Well it's a bit of drama that is put on 24 hour news to fill up the airtime in lieu of proper reporting. They where not confirmed dead, like the miners in Chile and the Thai football team in that cave, all were massively over reported.

This case is one where people take risks knowing it was dangerous like space travel but without any sort of view or gforce, if it were safe and easy where is the attraction? They where just another form of race driver.

[Zer0]

Anyone know Anything bout the whereabouts of B.C.?

[Eternal Student]

Hi.

Anyone know Anything bout the whereabouts of B.C.?

   Sorry, no.    It's been less than a week,  it could be holiday.

Best Wishes.

[Bored chemist]

Anyone know Anything bout the whereabouts of B.C.?

Just returned home from a cruise ship with poor wifi.
Thanks for asking.

If five billionaires had gone off piste-skiing and fallen off a cliff, there wouldn't have been much news coverage.
If five researchers on a submarine had perished, I guess they would have got about the same coverage as these poor souls did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster

"interesting" deaths get reported.

[Zer0]

I noted that 500 other people died that day but were totally ignored by everyone being plebs they don't count.
False!
If They were Truly ignored by Everyone, U & i would have Never heard or known about em.

'But they're human beings! Have some empathy!'
Plz don't Ignore the plight of Other species by sounding like a Speciesist.
Have some Mercy!

No. Billionaires are not like you and me. And that dehumanization is entirely done on purpose by themselves. That?s what they wanted. They have insulated themselves from regular human experiences. They don?t want to be on our level. If you and I died, it?d be like ants died for these people.
Billionaires are also HuMaN(period)

250K can pay off a lot of lunch debt for poor children. But no? They spend 250K, a quarter million dollars a pop, altogether over a million dollars to go on a risky ?expedition? in a carbon fiber tube to visit an underwater graveyard for the poor (The victims of Titanic were overwhelmingly poor people below deck.)
It was Their Own Earned money.
They get to choose what to do with it.
A visit to a Graveyard in Common Sense of understanding is a way to Acknowledge & pay Respect to the dead.
It's Not a Picnic!

Do you know there was a refugee boat sunk about the same time when the Titan submersible went missing? Hundreds on board were missing and presumed dead. Every year thousands of indigenous women go missing. Dead refugees and missing minority women were so commonplace we barely had any media coverage.
Human Condition.

But 5 rich dudes missing? OMG, 24/7 coverage everywhere. The US and Canadian coast guards went on extensive searches, all paid by tax dollars. Paid by us, poor people these billionaires don?t give a **** about.
Us poor people(me included) pay less in 100years in Taxes, in comparison to what They paid in a Single year.
Besides, it ain't bout Economics!

Did the coast guard make an effort to save these refugees? Sure, the particular refugee boat sunk in the Mediterranean Sea, which isn?t part of the jurisdiction of the US or Canadian coast guard.
Saving lives is much Easier, compared to Preventing suicides.
Neither i nor U or Anybody else out here forced Them against their Will to get aboard an overcrowded dysfunctional shambled boat.

You, being the heartless jerk, want to split that hair. But there are thousands of people being trafficked in and out of the US. Other than persecuting the actual victims, did the US border patrol do anything the help the poor and the desperate?
Please Elaborate.

As I mentioned above, and you conveniently ignored, thousands of Indigenous women go missing every year. Do you even hear about them in the media at all?
It's in the news, articles, documentaries & even movies.
Do You know the number of NGOs & Law Enforcement Depts. who are on the look out & save Thousands Per Year?

No. Because? what? Their lives aren?t nearly as valuable as some ?visionary? billionaire who made their money by exploiting other people?!
Accusations!
They weren't pimps or drug lords, so plz chill.

These people honor nothing, the least lives of regular folks. These people do not deserve to be ?honored.?
You are entitled to have a Personal Opinion, no matter how Disrespectful it may be.

I  hate this rhetoric about how tragic this is. It is the worst kind of pearl-clutching virtual signaling. It is the worst kind because it is easy. It is convenient. You make no effort and take no risk to make such a claim. I hope you enjoy your brown nosing performance, even though they?re more than happy to exploit you to death.
If Your Father or Son was on That sub which imploded, maybe then you'd Understand what Tragedy means.
(Hope U never do)

?They made their choices. They choose to waste their lives away. They need to learn to be accountable for their own actions.?
The Cat knows the price of Curiosity.
It's Worth every Penny!

Tell me, Is this me talking about billionaires in submersibles, or conservatives talking about homeless people?
It's You, talkin of Billionaires in Subs.
You created the Thread.
Did You Not?

I?ve learned a lot about what happens to human beings when they?re in a confined space and implode under enormous pressure. Their death is instantaneous and painless. In fact, the implosion happens so fast our brain won?t be able to sense pain or even process the visual signals. After that, their body will be cooked and turned into basically minced fish food squeezed out of the collapsed wreckage.
Instantaneously Painless death, is still, after all Death!
It's a sentence of life long Suffering & inescapable grave Pain for their Friends & Family.

Circle of life, you know.
i do.

There wouldn?t be any bodies to recover.
i know.

And if you eat Atlantic salmon fished out in the next 2 or 3 weeks, there might be slight changes we?d be eating the rich.
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ps - i'd rather die having spoken in my manner...than to speak in yours, & live.
(Soc)