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Is there a better way to explain light?

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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #400 on: 24/01/2023 03:33:17 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 20/01/2023 14:39:28
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 19/01/2023 02:25:26
Quote from: alancalverd on 18/01/2023 16:14:08
Huygens predicts how it will be affected by reflection,
How is a wave reflected in Huygen's model?
What makes it different than transmission?
Here's how reflection is explained using antenna model, starting at 5:45.

This is the model I used to come up with blocking mechanism, and designed polarization twister.
As shown in the video, antenna model can explain the mechanism of reflection in electromagnetic waves intuitively. I wonder why this model hasn't been further developed to explain other optical phenomena, such as refraction, diffraction, and interference of light.
With this model, the explanation for polarization is straight forward. Nothing is counter intuitive.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #401 on: 07/02/2023 13:54:13 »
Here's another attempt to explain light more intuitively.

Coherence & Light Part1: Temporal Coherence
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This is the first episode about coherence and how this wave phenomenon can cause waves to behave like localized entities or energy quanta.
Unfortunately the quantum (or corpuscular) description of light leads to a lot of confusion (and nonsense). The goal of this video is to describe "quantized" behavior of light purely from wave principles. Because: why first transform waves into particles and then try to describe them using a wave function?

Contents:
0:00 Intro
1:04 Historical perspective
2:58 Quantization and the photoelectric effect
6:42 Light is just waves
7:24 Coherence explained
12:54 Temporal coherence as a sum of EM-fields
16:47 Coherence length vs. spectral band width
20:25 experiments on the coherence length of light
Can't wait for the second part of the video.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #402 on: 07/02/2023 14:43:26 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 07/02/2023 13:54:13
Here's another attempt to explain light more intuitively.
Why?
Does anyone bother with an "intuitive explanation" of water, steel, cats, DNA....?
Stuff exists, things happen, and sometimes you need more than one equation to predict what happens next.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #403 on: 10/02/2023 06:32:20 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 07/02/2023 14:43:26
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 07/02/2023 13:54:13
Here's another attempt to explain light more intuitively.
Why?
Does anyone bother with an "intuitive explanation" of water, steel, cats, DNA....?
Stuff exists, things happen, and sometimes you need more than one equation to predict what happens next.
Occam's Razor.
Unintuitive explanation means there's something unexpected, which means there's at least one false assumption. We would like to identify it, just in case it would someday lead us to make wrong decisions.
The level of understanding required depends on the purpose or terminal goal in mind.
Fishes don't care what water is made of. But Martian colonizers should.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #404 on: 10/02/2023 08:56:14 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 10/02/2023 06:32:20
there's at least one false assumption.
The incorrect assumption is that light should behave like macroscopic matter- whether that's waves on the sea or snooker balls on a table.

We know that.
So what?
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #405 on: 10/02/2023 11:27:52 »
The ultimate test of the validity of an assumption is whether the bridge falls down or the plane crashes.So far, no current textbook assumptions about the generation propagation and interactions of visible light seem to have resulted in disaster or even mild surprise.

Science and intuition are often at odds. Eddington said that the student of physics must become accustomed to having his common sense violated five times before breakfast. Those violations are the stuff of scientific investigation, which usually ends up in  textbooks.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #406 on: 14/02/2023 04:05:24 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 10/02/2023 08:56:14
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 10/02/2023 06:32:20
there's at least one false assumption.
The incorrect assumption is that light should behave like macroscopic matter- whether that's waves on the sea or snooker balls on a table.

We know that.
So what?

So some of us wonder, is there a better way to explain light? We can find many Youtube videos try to answer that question. So I know I'm not the only one.
We can say that better means more effective and efficient in describing and predicting behaviors of light in various situations with the least amount of ad hoc assumptions. At what point can we safely say that our currently accepted theory is the best way possible to explain light?
It's also fine if you're not that into it. No one will force you to.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #407 on: 14/02/2023 11:38:56 »
I'm beginning to wonder what you mean by "explain". We can certainly make lots of predictions about the behavior of electromagnetic radiation. How much more do you want?
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #408 on: 14/02/2023 13:15:20 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 14/02/2023 11:38:56
I'm beginning to wonder what you mean by "explain". We can certainly make lots of predictions about the behavior of electromagnetic radiation. How much more do you want?
I think he may be looking for an answer that says "why" light does what it does.
As far as I can tell, that's not something physics does.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #409 on: 14/02/2023 15:10:37 »
Indeed. "Why" implies an intended objective, and AFAIK no photon has any future intentions. Physics is about "how", psychology and religion attempt to deal with "why".
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #410 on: 01/03/2023 12:09:48 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 07/02/2023 13:54:13
Coherence & Light Part1: Temporal Coherence
Here's the second part.
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Coherence & Light part 2: Spatial Coherence

Contents:
0:00 Intro
0:38 Real life demo of spatial coherence (Lorentz pond)
2:14 Numerical wave simulations (Nils Berglund)
5:05 Area of Coherence explained
8:07 Calculating the Area of Coherence of the Sun
9:10 Spatial coherence and the double slit experiment
10:41 About the use of metaphors in science
12:45 Double slit demo without & with spatial coherence
15:43 Spatial coherence of light from far away stars
18:13 Quantization and semantics
20:39 Credits
« Last Edit: 01/03/2023 12:12:15 by hamdani yusuf »
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