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Daveman and Kurtosis, thank you for your responses.I have never been able to have more than one orgasm every few weeks, but with this fairly new treatment regimen I have been on I have been able to have about one each week. I recently took too much niacin accidentally and nearly passed out, this happened one other time also by accident and the results that time were positive. This time, however, I feel run down, fatigued, and mentally drained with no alertness, and my neurological facial expression problems seem to be coming back.. Even with the new regimen of chlorella, spirulina, vitamin c and fish oil afterwards. I even go to the gym 5 days a week and take zma before bed.I don't think my body is building a tolerance to the medication because I have been cycling a bit. I have even held off on the medication after 3 or 4 days post orgasm just so the effect will be greater for my next orgasm. The only things that have come up in my bloodwork are an inconsistent Growth hormone and a fairly low FSH. I'm not sure why my body seems to have stopped responding to my treatment regimen and I feel as though I'm falling back into the depths. I will be looking to try Imitrex since it has proven to help others but I really don't know what else to do. I will be donating to help our research and such but my problem is consistent and very debilitating. If anyone has any ideas I will undoubtedly listen.We won'e give up,Jon.
Daveman, Thank you for the response.I don't feel that the niacin has become ineffective, i have been using it consistently for months now, and it has helped the worst of sufferings Inused to experience. The real breakthrough came about a month ago when I added chlorella, spirulina, and vitamin C to my treatment regimen right after orgasm. This allowed me to return to the family business because I have been, once again, been able to mentally and physically function. It just seems to be helping to replenish less and less and this time hardly at all. I have tried cycling these products and things like that. I have not tried waiting hours until the orgasm because I'm worried about the first crucial hours of recovery.
Quote from: jferr on 14/02/2012 21:25:40Daveman, Thank you for the response.I don't feel that the niacin has become ineffective, i have been using it consistently for months now, and it has helped the worst of sufferings Inused to experience. The real breakthrough came about a month ago when I added chlorella, spirulina, and vitamin C to my treatment regimen right after orgasm. This allowed me to return to the family business because I have been, once again, been able to mentally and physically function. It just seems to be helping to replenish less and less and this time hardly at all. I have tried cycling these products and things like that. I have not tried waiting hours until the orgasm because I'm worried about the first crucial hours of recovery.Hi jferr, Send me a PM letting me know how much of these you're taking and when. I've never been able to take too much niacin as I get a flush after about 100mg and wouldn't take much more than that. I've modified the regime to take a bit less C (as its natural anti-histamine effects were making me drowsy) and more spirulina+chlorella every day as I haven't experienced any ill effects with these. Also, I don't take ZMA every night.
Quote from: kurtosis on 15/02/2012 09:15:19Quote from: jferr on 14/02/2012 21:25:40Daveman, Thank you for the response.I don't feel that the niacin has become ineffective, i have been using it consistently for months now, and it has helped the worst of sufferings Inused to experience. The real breakthrough came about a month ago when I added chlorella, spirulina, and vitamin C to my treatment regimen right after orgasm. This allowed me to return to the family business because I have been, once again, been able to mentally and physically function. It just seems to be helping to replenish less and less and this time hardly at all. I have tried cycling these products and things like that. I have not tried waiting hours until the orgasm because I'm worried about the first crucial hours of recovery.Hi jferr, Send me a PM letting me know how much of these you're taking and when. I've never been able to take too much niacin as I get a flush after about 100mg and wouldn't take much more than that. I've modified the regime to take a bit less C (as its natural anti-histamine effects were making me drowsy) and more spirulina+chlorella every day as I haven't experienced any ill effects with these. Also, I don't take ZMA every night. Or post here, it could be useful to some others of us.Thanks
I don't mind either way I think Daveman is right about getting over POIS. For me, I realised that POIS had prevented me from making a lot of progress and in the effort to make up for lost time I got quite stressed. I also realised that I was anxious about lots of activities requiring intense concentration and had developed terrible work habits as a result. This is the POIS fallout and even if you were POIS free in the morning I think you'd suffer from symptoms associated with being in a very stressful situation for many years, while struggling to cope.
Thanks again for the responses guys, Much appreciated.The niacin has been consistent, I don't question that. I usually take about 1,000 mg Chlorella, 1,000 mg spirulina, 1,000 mg vitamin c, and 2 fish oil capsules immediately after orgasm. I sometimes wash these down with a small protein shake. From there, I take a multivitamin and fish oil daily. The chlorella/spirulina is about every other day and the same with vitamin c. I have experimented with more of each but didn't notice much of a difference. Daveman, I understand what you're saying about getting used to feeling a bit better and noticing the little symptoms. With me, I have been unable to do the work I was doing a few weeks back and feel a lot worse. It is possible that I am experiencing a few bad ones in a row since every time is different, but the past few weeks have been unusually debilitating, and especially this past week. I have been doing everything I can in that I don't orgasm more than once a week and in that once a week, only every other week can be an ejaculation. Full ejaculation takes so much out of me that I usually have to stay away from it when I orgasm. Sometimes, even though I can't take niacin with it, I feel that late night emissions help if I take the proper supplementation afterwards because it takes a far less toll on my body.My situation is constant, most symptoms are mental, and it's definitely hard. But I have had some success with these things thanks to Kurtosis' recommendation. I just hope that I continue to be able to function guys.Thanks for your continued help. This is why I don't mind donating, because there is a great community of people working together.
Kurtosis, That's some great advice.I will deifnitely look into making that drink as well as it sounds like you're benefiting from it. And catecholamine consistency is something that i could deifnitely use. Tell me.. Is it difficult to make? I'm sure other in this forum are reading this as well because it seems you are very knowledgable. how much of each item do you take? Do you blend it?
So are you going to try more time without niacin in the diet?The worst problem with niacin is it's rigidity respect to fasting before and taking just enough to flush.I thought about trying this but have no need. But there are many who do, so hopefully it will work for them.I would really like to see more of you try it and report back, especially those of you who haven't found a good solution yet.I will see how to include it in a survey. We might be able to see then if there are differences in effectivity 1) between different POIS groups and 2) as compared to other things like niacin or other treatments.Another point, There are things like fresh blueberries and pineapple that have their seasons, and in some parts aren't always available. Have you found a solution for that?BTW what is vanilla bifidus yogurt? I'm not sure where I could get half the things in the recipe. I suppose you'd have to look around, and once you could find the sources you'd be OK.
Quote from: jferr on 17/02/2012 01:01:07Kurtosis, That's some great advice.I will deifnitely look into making that drink as well as it sounds like you're benefiting from it. And catecholamine consistency is something that i could deifnitely use. Tell me.. Is it difficult to make? I'm sure other in this forum are reading this as well because it seems you are very knowledgable. how much of each item do you take? Do you blend it?Thanks Jferr. Well I had an O yesterday night and feel pretty good. What's odd about this is that I haven't had any niacin in a week. So what I took to recover was 2 tablets of sprirulina and 2 capsules of krill oil. See http://www.nowfoods.com/Supplements/Products-by-Category/Nutritional-Oils/Fish-Omega-3-Krill-Oils/061193.htm for EPA/DHA/Astaxanthin estimatesI then took the ZMA when I wanted to go asleep. I felt clear enough 10 minutes after taking this to read 10 pages of a technical book which I remember this morning and decided to read another 30 pages. So when you want to read 40 pages of statistics then it's not the average POIS day Then the ZMA ended up making me tired and I fell asleep. I always get this effect with it. Now ZMA is just zinc, magnesium and b6 so, as I've said before, I'm not advocating this for sports use or making any claims about free testosterone. I just feel it helps replenish some of what's lost after an O and that there's a certain replaceability of b6 and b3 as was pointed out during the famous post about the child with tourettes. http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/neur-sci/1996-February/022416.htmlThis clarity the following morning is NOT my normal POIS experience. If I had to boil it down I believe that the key nutrients & minerals that have made a big difference are:- astaxanthin- Omega3s in phospolipoid form in krill oil. - zinc- b6- tyrosine- probiotics but there's something extra when they all get combined together. I'd be really interested to learn what anybody else's experience is of tyrosine. Mine is that it improves cognitive performance quite quickly (increases dopamine & other catecholamines) but doesn't cure the pain/allergy symptoms of POIS. So you don't feel as POIS-dumb but still feel out of sorts. The allergy symptoms are virtually gone now and they started to improve dramatically when I took krill oil (astaxanthin & omega3s) twice a day. The smoothie is easy to make. I have a blender with a smoothie setting. I very rarely used it until I had a spirulina smoothie on a business trip and felt brighter for the rest of the day. I make about 2 tall glasses worth of it and drink 4 glasses a day. My POIS-related (or POIS causing, who knows?) digestive problems have improved also. So the ingredients are:- a desert spoon of honey for taste. (use less if you want) - 1.5 desert spoons of coconut oil. - a banana- 500 ml of water (it's from our own well, not sure I'd put city tap water into this and expect it to taste OK / be healthy - 500 ml of pineapple juice- ~20 blueberries- ~ 10 pineapple chunks (fresh stuff as oppose to canned)- a desert spoon of vanilla bifidus yoghurt (or 2 if you like). - 500mg of spirulina & 500mg of chlorella.Blend it all up and drink quickly. Don't let it settle or think it can be refrigerated. Within about 1 hour it goes from a greenish froth with a pleasant taste to something that looks very unappetising.As I've said I believe I could achieve a similar effect with vitamin supplements but I'd rather not. This way, I'm actually getting a meal of smoothies and 2 other meals a day so it's improved my diet.
So, although I have found significant relief with Imitrex, I was forced to suspend my use for a couple of weeks. Reason being that it becomes less effective if taken frequently, i.e. daily or even every few days. However, following a week or two week break its effectiveness will return. Moreover, my insurance limits the amount covered to 27 pills per 62 days. My Dr. has provided a prior-authorization to increase the quantity. Also, she has recommended I see a neurologist, and in particular a headache specialist. So, I have an appointment at the Johns Hopkins Headache Center in a few months. I've been told it's among the best. I'll be sure to provide an update on my treatment and any progress made. Best of luck to all of you and we will find a cure soon!
Quote from: kurtosis on 17/02/2012 10:47:53Quote from: jferr on 17/02/2012 01:01:07Kurtosis, That's some great advice.I will deifnitely look into making that drink as well as it sounds like you're benefiting from it. And catecholamine consistency is something that i could deifnitely use. Tell me.. Is it difficult to make? I'm sure other in this forum are reading this as well because it seems you are very knowledgable. how much of each item do you take? Do you blend it?Thanks Jferr. Well I had an O yesterday night and feel pretty good. What's odd about this is that I haven't had any niacin in a week. So what I took to recover was 2 tablets of sprirulina and 2 capsules of krill oil. See http://www.nowfoods.com/Supplements/Products-by-Category/Nutritional-Oils/Fish-Omega-3-Krill-Oils/061193.htm for EPA/DHA/Astaxanthin estimatesI then took the ZMA when I wanted to go asleep. I felt clear enough 10 minutes after taking this to read 10 pages of a technical book which I remember this morning and decided to read another 30 pages. So when you want to read 40 pages of statistics then it's not the average POIS day Then the ZMA ended up making me tired and I fell asleep. I always get this effect with it. Now ZMA is just zinc, magnesium and b6 so, as I've said before, I'm not advocating this for sports use or making any claims about free testosterone. I just feel it helps replenish some of what's lost after an O and that there's a certain replaceability of b6 and b3 as was pointed out during the famous post about the child with tourettes. http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/neur-sci/1996-February/022416.htmlThis clarity the following morning is NOT my normal POIS experience. If I had to boil it down I believe that the key nutrients & minerals that have made a big difference are:- astaxanthin- Omega3s in phospolipoid form in krill oil. - zinc- b6- tyrosine- probiotics but there's something extra when they all get combined together. I'd be really interested to learn what anybody else's experience is of tyrosine. Mine is that it improves cognitive performance quite quickly (increases dopamine & other catecholamines) but doesn't cure the pain/allergy symptoms of POIS. So you don't feel as POIS-dumb but still feel out of sorts. The allergy symptoms are virtually gone now and they started to improve dramatically when I took krill oil (astaxanthin & omega3s) twice a day. The smoothie is easy to make. I have a blender with a smoothie setting. I very rarely used it until I had a spirulina smoothie on a business trip and felt brighter for the rest of the day. I make about 2 tall glasses worth of it and drink 4 glasses a day. My POIS-related (or POIS causing, who knows?) digestive problems have improved also. So the ingredients are:- a desert spoon of honey for taste. (use less if you want) - 1.5 desert spoons of coconut oil. - a banana- 500 ml of water (it's from our own well, not sure I'd put city tap water into this and expect it to taste OK / be healthy - 500 ml of pineapple juice- ~20 blueberries- ~ 10 pineapple chunks (fresh stuff as oppose to canned)- a desert spoon of vanilla bifidus yoghurt (or 2 if you like). - 500mg of spirulina & 500mg of chlorella.Blend it all up and drink quickly. Don't let it settle or think it can be refrigerated. Within about 1 hour it goes from a greenish froth with a pleasant taste to something that looks very unappetising.As I've said I believe I could achieve a similar effect with vitamin supplements but I'd rather not. This way, I'm actually getting a meal of smoothies and 2 other meals a day so it's improved my diet.Kurtosis, Very interesting.It sounds like you really boiled down the list of things you take to some specifics. When after or before O do you take these supplements? And how much of these do you take? And as for the shake, Do you take that after orgasm as well and every day after that? And how much of this as well?Thanks again.Jon.