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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: Supervolant on 01/11/2018 20:43:18

Title: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: Supervolant on 01/11/2018 20:43:18
Imagine we computer-simulate the present now to it's finest of detail. All reality simulated, including all people, our planet, atoms... everything! Cause & Effect. Simulate every possible cause / action and see every possible outcome / effect?

A time machine that enables us to see into the past and future.

Future:
Go over the street now or wait till the lights are actually green? Such an simulation can skip forward in time and tell if the speeding drunken idiot will kill you or everything is safe.

Realize this or that business idea? The simulation shows which of the ideas will (if) have success.

Past:
What led to the now? With the infinite parallel simulations one can try every possible cause beforehand out. Only one cause can lead to the effect of the here and now. You sit here in front of your computer reading this because of a (set of) reason(s) which I don't know of... maybe even you don't know why you are reading this but the simulation can know and that's exactly how it is possible to see back in time.

Yes, we would need an unimaginable amount of computing power and probably whole stars as energy source to power such machinery, but this is about theories, right?

Let's think without boundaries.
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: Halc on 02/11/2018 11:22:00
Imagine we computer-simulate the present now to it's finest of detail. All reality simulated, including all people, our planet, atoms... everything! Cause & Effect. Simulate every possible cause / action and see every possible outcome / effect?

A time machine that enables us to see into the past and future.
Well, if you only simulated from the present forward, it isn't going to be useful to see into the past.  That's OK, since I can see into the past without the machine.

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Future:
Go over the street now or wait till the lights are actually green? Such an simulation can skip forward in time and tell if the speeding drunken idiot will kill you or everything is safe.
If you don't wait for the green light, you are the speeding drunken idiot.  The light does not protect you from other drunken drivers.  Sorry, all glib answers, I know.

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Realize this or that business idea? The simulation shows which of the ideas will (if) have success.
OK, a real answer.  The machine would need to exist.  If it did all this, it is outside of the universe, and cannot be used to gather knowledge by the people being simulated, else it would change the initial conditions of the simulation.
Of course if we knew the future of stocks, the whole system would collapse.  It is based on a balance of probability.

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What led to the now? With the infinite parallel simulations one can try every possible cause beforehand out. Only one cause can lead to the effect of the here and now. You sit here in front of your computer reading this because of a (set of) reason(s) which I don't know of... maybe even you don't know why you are reading this but the simulation can know and that's exactly how it is possible to see back in time.
They already do this.

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Yes, we would need an unimaginable amount of computing power and probably whole stars as energy source to power such machinery, but this is about theories, right?
The entire universe is not enough to hold a machine capable of foretelling one second from now, mostly because it would have to simulate itself to do it.

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Let's think without boundaries.
Let's recognize a boundary when it's right in front of us.
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: guest39538 on 02/11/2018 11:44:33
A time machine that enables us to see into the past and future.

Not  possible  ,  go  see  a  doctor  if  you  think  this....
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: opportunity on 02/11/2018 12:04:30
I think its odd that time travel is spoken about using one dimensional time.

Surely time travel could only work if time had a universal algorithm including future and past variables, right...and not simply a now "arrow"?
Title: Re: Simulated Time Trave
Post by: opportunity on 02/11/2018 12:10:33
Ok, lets say I go back on a memory, and change my reaction to that.....its undeniable to me that my present life changes....am I a De-Lorian...and where's physics with this mind de-lorian stuff?
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: opportunity on 02/11/2018 12:14:52
I "know" if I used my memories and changed a decision that it would slowly impact on those around me today. They would see "my" change and react differently to me as per yesterday before this thought experiment on time.


Normally, they would say, "why so different"? Obviously I can't say I tripped back in time and changed a few things about myself.....who's buzzing that?
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: guest39538 on 02/11/2018 12:21:19
I "know" if I used my memories and changed a decision that it would slowly impact on those around me today. They would see "my" change and react differently to me as per yesterday before this thought experiment on time.
Reactions  to  things  that  have  not  happened  yet   can  only  be   predicted  in  a  sense  of  physics  ,  brains  are  random......
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: opportunity on 02/11/2018 12:22:37
And so here is the issue with time travel and impacting on others.

I don't think the universe cares, and in saying that it, the universe, has a very big body of people who also couldn't give a 4x.

Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: opportunity on 02/11/2018 12:24:33
I "know" if I used my memories and changed a decision that it would slowly impact on those around me today. They would see "my" change and react differently to me as per yesterday before this thought experiment on time.
Reactions  to  things  that  have  not  happened  yet   can  only  be   predicted  in  a  sense  of  physics  ,  brains  are  random......


Box, if you want to travel into the future.....be that puppet show...tell me....who's strings do you want to pull?
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: guest39538 on 02/11/2018 12:27:59
I "know" if I used my memories and changed a decision that it would slowly impact on those around me today. They would see "my" change and react differently to me as per yesterday before this thought experiment on time.
Reactions  to  things  that  have  not  happened  yet   can  only  be   predicted  in  a  sense  of  physics  ,  brains  are  random......


Box, if you want to travel into the future.....be that puppet show...tell me....who's strings do you want to pull?
We   age ,  we   don't   travel   into   the   future ,  the  past  knows  more  than  the  unwritten  future .
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: opportunity on 02/11/2018 12:32:00


Changing the past.
Science has done boo boos also.

Is science trying to be more "life"?
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: guest39538 on 02/11/2018 12:32:33
It  is  very  simple  ,  the  ''future''  is  always  ahead  of  you  ,   you  could  travel  at  infinite  speed   but    you  can  never  catch  up  with  the  future   because  the  future  is  always  ahead  of  you,  the  futures  future.
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: opportunity on 02/11/2018 12:35:29
It  is  very  simple  ,  the  ''future''  is  always  ahead  of  you  ,   you  could  travel  at  infinite  speed   but    you  can  never  catch  up  with  the  future   because  the  future  is  always  ahead  of  you,  the  futures  future.


Maybe that's it, maybe consciousness is that futuristic unicorn? We try, we grasp.....we fall back into the past when someone reminds us of a serious connection? Something we haven't been able to prove in a petri dish, creation of life?
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: opportunity on 02/11/2018 12:40:38
Can we change someone else's life in altering our memories?


What would it take to change someone else's life by changing our memories of them, what type of belief system?


How many other people would be required without consulting the idea and not just idea but the idea itself of God?



Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: guest39538 on 02/11/2018 12:50:36
It  is  very  simple  ,  the  ''future''  is  always  ahead  of  you  ,   you  could  travel  at  infinite  speed   but    you  can  never  catch  up  with  the  future   because  the  future  is  always  ahead  of  you,  the  futures  future.


Maybe that's it, maybe consciousness is that futuristic unicorn? We try, we grasp.....we fall back into the past when someone reminds us of a serious connection? Something we haven't been able to prove in a petri dish, creation of life?

Consciousness ,  being  aware  of  ones  own  existence  within  a  n-dimensional  space  that  new special  relativity  proposes that  space  ,  could  be  solid 

Because 

(n>n)  =  (n<n)
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: opportunity on 02/11/2018 12:53:39
I don't think there's any need to judge who is doing what as a need to time travel......that's why we need a "non-life" science, right.....because everything else doesn't come up trumps......
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: guest39538 on 02/11/2018 13:04:44
I don't think there's any need to judge who is doing what as a need to time travel......that's why we need a "non-life" science, right.....because everything else doesn't come up trumps......
Some  questions  in  life  we  just  don't  know  the  answers  too  ,  we  have  no  idea  how  we  get  to  the  answer  but  we  are  guided   by  our  own  consciousness .
We  then  share  these  ideas  with  each  other   for  opinions  and  discussion ,  trusting  we  get  conversation  instead  of  malarkey. 
I  think in  conscious  decisions  and  thoughts  there  is  lot  to be said  without  experimenting  .  It's  like  sometimes  there  is  incidents  in  the  world  that  are just  insane  to  explain,  but before you think about that !  I hope  you understand  I  talk a  lot  of  nonsense  also. 
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: opportunity on 02/11/2018 13:14:33
When I put an idea for physics to be a life science, I am also putting to life science the need not to judge.
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: guest39538 on 02/11/2018 13:29:44
When I put an idea for physics to be a life science, I am also putting to life science the need not to judge.
Can  we  understand  a  book  if  we  never  finished  reading  that  book ?   

To  judge  is  a  sense  of  remaining  neutral  and  unbiased  ,  considering  everything. 
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: opportunity on 02/11/2018 13:35:25
Can you judge someone who floats their boat better?

can you ask them how they float their boat better....in reality, waking?


Why would you?


Why not ask them about you.....how great that is?


Are we still trying to define human values?

Where's science on the topic of human values? Cheap shot, sure, but it is in the equation?
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: opportunity on 02/11/2018 13:46:26
I've been doing research on a new theory thing....what's stopped me is the idea of the abandonment of philosophy.


Why provide meat to sceince on a road its going to say, "˙ou gave me food on that road, why?"


The road was bad, not the food.


For instance, you're the fall guy for a new idea....your idea...they take all the risks and blame all the bad effects on you.....
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: guest39538 on 02/11/2018 13:47:54
Can you judge someone who floats their boat better?

can you ask them how they float their boat better....in reality, waking?


Why would you?


Why not ask them about you.....how great that is?


Are we still trying to define human values?

Where's science on the topic of human values? Cheap shot, sure, but it is in the equation?
I  personally  have  spent  over  3/4  of   my  life  wasting  time  on  learning  human  values  ,  I  look at  the  mind  as  being  a  void  that  takes  away  are  thoughts  leaving  empty space  that   our  minds  can  then  start  to  relate   physics  to  space  to  produce  other  thoughts   later  on  in  time. 
Title: Re: Simulated Time Travel
Post by: opportunity on 02/11/2018 13:55:36
Box, I have a very problematic paper I think I should publish…..its like a key....I hope....its going to save a lot of people a lot of money....by knowing one thing.....the future is how we define ourselves yet we can never properly define that in the here and now.