[Pseudoscience-is-malarkey (OP)]

Whether it's a soft song or not, it seems that all it does is get them excited, as the serotonin chemicals they produce keep them awake. Perhaps this only works in movies, books, et cetra? Has it even been scientifically tested?

[paul cotter]

What makes you think serotonin is associated with wakefulness or that singing would elevate it's level?

[alancalverd]

"Nessun Dorma" doesn't work too well, but the trick is to use the same song, or at best a very limited repertoire,  every night - it imposes the comfort of familiarity at the end of a day of new and exciting discoveries.

[Karen W.]

I sang to all 3 of my own babies and also to my preschool children. Had really good luck soothing 3 to 5 year old autistic children who never slept except at preschool when I held them in my lap and sang to them.... old songs like Shanandoah, poor wayfaring stranger... not rock a bye baby...lol

[Bored chemist]

I thought singing lullabies to children was pretty much universal.
Hi Karen; long time no see. Nice to see you here.

[Zer0]

@Karen

Welcome Back!

[Karen W.]

I thought singing lullabies to children was pretty much universal.
Hi Karen; long time no see. Nice to see you here.

Yes me too. Thank you Bored Chemist. Nice to  Bee back and see you see you too. Been needing to carouse these forum walls again. see what new  and exciting information I can fill my head with...I hope you have been well. I am feeling tons better and very thankful for second chances!

[Karen W.]

@Karen

Welcome Back!

Well Thank you, Its very nice to be able to sit up here and be reading the forum again,

[Halc]

I sang to all 3 of my own babies and also to my preschool children. Had really good luck soothing 3 to 5 year old autistic children who never slept except at preschool when I held them in my lap and sang to them.... old songs like Shanandoah, poor wayfaring stranger... not rock a bye baby...lol

I sang to all my kids, but mostly during nappy changes, all with familiar songs with rewritten lyrics.
The autistic one was the least responsive to it, but he's very musical nevertheless.

The one consistent lullaby I did was to the Pooh tune about the rain cloud:

I have learned how to complain,  loud...
cuz no one pay's 'tention' to me.
If you can learn to complain, loud,
then you'll get noticed, you'll see


Don't remember putting em to sleep with that, but it did calm them down.

[paul cotter]

Two daughters here, the first one highly resistant to sleep and the second one completely troublefree. I can't remember if I tried singing, somehow doubt it, not having a singing voice.

[Karen W.]

That"s very nice...  is there an oMy kids loved being sung to as babies..

I sang to all 3 of my own babies and also to my preschool children. Had really good luck soothing 3 to 5 year old autistic children who never slept except at preschool when I held them in my lap and sang to them.... old songs like Shanandoah, poor wayfaring stranger... not rock a bye baby...lol

I sang to all my kids, but mostly during nappy changes, all with familiar songs with rewritten lyrics.
The autistic one was the least responsive to it, but he's very musical nevertheless.

The one consistent lullaby I did was to the Pooh tune about the rain cloud:

I have learned how to complain,  loud...
cuz no one pay's 'tention' to me.
If you can learn to complain, loud,
then you'll get noticed, you'll see


Don't remember putting em to sleep with that, but it did calm them down.

Is there an Online sound bit that I could hear the tune?

[Karen W.]

My Grandson is Autistic also and loves music but he has definite preferences about when he wants to be sung too.. if he is not wanting to sleep and his mind is very active it really takes a regime  of songs to find the one that can calm his brain activity down enough to go to sleep...

[Karen W.]

Two daughters here, the first one highly resistant to sleep and the second one completely troublefree. I can't remember if I tried singing, somehow doubt it, not having a singing voice.

Two daughters here, the first one highly resistant to sleep and the second one completely trouble free. I can't remember if I tried singing, somehow doubt it, not having a singing voice.

   Awe sweet. My first was a sweet little girl...an Angel for sure.....My second child was a son. He was sweet also, but born with lung issues, sick, because he was born very late, and in fetal distress as they had let him cook too long...but stress tests revealed he was in trouble so they induced him twice and when he arrived he had lung issues from a  lot of meconium in his lungs.  He was really hard to get to sleep at night even with a song Just like his son Now, back then they had not mentioned autism but I would venture to guess that he ticked most of the boxes for it, looking back at that in hindsight! My third was  another boy and once again easy... gentle spirited little man!

[Karen W.]

"Nessun Dorma" doesn't work too well, but the trick is to use the same song, or at best a very limited repertoire,  every night - it imposes the comfort of familiarity at the end of a day of new and exciting discoveries.

I think there is something to what you say as I had a handful of tunes I found that worked well and each child was different as to which song put them to sleep. It was Shenandoah, and One tin soldier, with my Grandsons who still love it and play it on a loop while we drive... My kids loved Shenandoah.. I thing it was the low tones ...

[Halc]

Is there an Online sound bit that I could hear the tune?

if he is not wanting to sleep and his mind is very active it really takes a regime  of songs to find the one that can calm his brain activity down enough to go to sleep...

Mine sleeps like a brick, almost right away, every time. Got lucky with that bit, with all my kids.

[Karen W.]

That's fantastic.. Issac Loves his sleep once he is asleep...