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Quote from: CliveG on 26/04/2020 07:02:41It is a jungle out there - and main stream media are clearly seen to have bias and opinion. Choose which one you want. CNN or Fox News for example. "......"...........Clive, this series of posts appear to be off topic, can we bring the thread back to the main question rather than running 2 threads.Thanks
It is a jungle out there - and main stream media are clearly seen to have bias and opinion. Choose which one you want. CNN or Fox News for example. "......"...........
If I am right that God is giving me this information and it turns out to be accurate, then it is a boost towards "proving" (a higher probability) the existence of God.
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Quote from: CliveG on 13/03/2020 17:15:34 I have (used to have an even better) excellent memory. I remember most occasions. Mine works most of the time - too many times for randomness.Post a diary.That will unequivocally show which side is right.
I have (used to have an even better) excellent memory. I remember most occasions. Mine works most of the time - too many times for randomness.
Quote from: CliveG on 27/04/2020 07:38:47If I am right that God is giving me this information and it turns out to be accurate, then it is a boost towards "proving" (a higher probability) the existence of God.The problem is that it does not offer scientific proof. The only way you can do show accurate prior information is by being subject to rigorous double blind testing as explained previously. Even then it would not prove the source.This is the whole problem with this thread, no one has approached the question of how you rigorously test and demonstrate the existence of God or any god. Using personal, after the fact, recollection is not a scientific method and offers no scientific credence to the experience which could be due to a number of causes including selective bias. This is also the problem with all personal testimonies.Overall, I’m quite disappointed that this God sent opportunity has been studiously avoided. @hamdani yusuf did attempt to lay in some guidelines but it was ignored. The question remains, how would you go about it, what tests or experiments would offer incontrovertible proof? How would you falsify the theory of the existence of God?
Quote from: alancalverd on 25/04/2020 23:36:17Quote from: CliveG on 25/04/2020 08:11:44What gave the molecules their emergent property of being able to form such complex units?Schrodinger.Is he dead or alive?
Quote from: CliveG on 25/04/2020 08:11:44What gave the molecules their emergent property of being able to form such complex units?Schrodinger.
What gave the molecules their emergent property of being able to form such complex units?
There is no redefinition. From the day God gave Moses the 10 commandments'You shall have no other Gods on my face".Jews have always understood anything can become a God to a person.
So back to the question. All we need is a definition of God as the thing which uniquely and predictably does X when Y. Then we do Y and see if X happens. That's science - or at least the beginning of science. We must continue by looking for instances of X occurring spontaneously or in response to Z, or not responding to Y. This will lead to either a redefinition of God as one possible explanation of X, or not being consistent with the definition.It's the same logic that allows us to prove the existence of everything from a neutrino to an elephant.So it's up to the proponents of the God hypothesis to specify X and Y.
Quote from: davidwilliams on 25/06/2019 11:45:15Why hasn't science been able to prove the existence of God?One reasonable possibility is that He doesn't exist.Also, because religion cheats.https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/6-16.htmhttps://biblehub.com/matthew/4-7.htm
Why hasn't science been able to prove the existence of God?
Which makes prayer inadmissible at worst, and irrelevant at best.
Quote from: CliveG on 26/04/2020 06:27:34Quote from: alancalverd on 25/04/2020 23:36:17Quote from: CliveG on 25/04/2020 08:11:44What gave the molecules their emergent property of being able to form such complex units?Schrodinger.Is he dead or alive?Probably.
Quote from: duffyd on 09/04/2020 10:44:55Quote from: duffyd on 08/04/2020 05:21:22I have no reason to doubt that he existed. As I said much earlier, he was a radical rabbi (addressed by his friends as such) who was killed for causing trouble. Nothing unusual about that, nor was the radical Judaism he preached beyond the very broad span of our ancient traditions.Good football coaches teach something they refer to as "staying on your block" which simply means, keep driving your legs and keep jamming your body with full force into the defender until the Ref blows his whistle. The phrase is just a reminder, a term that stresses the importance to persist, to keep going all out, and not let anything, anything, no matter what, direct your efforts away from that single minded goal. To wit, I have asked alan and his like-minded teammates to answer my questions which derive from the numerous and outrageous errors they make continuously. I am in no hurry. We have a long time before that whistle blows. Be aware, and if you are intelligent and a good dude/dudess, you can't miss it: Our intellectual superheroes don't participate in these debates as though they have any confidence in the positions they hold. Again, my friend, what do you mean he was a radical rabbi? Where did you get that idea? You say his buds said that about him. What did they say? specifically, do you really know? (I don't think you do.)Where is this text from?QuoteAgain, what radical form of Judaism did Jesus preach?Karaitism.Quote"Nothing unusual about that, Maybe not to another karaite. But to the rabbinical groups like the pharisees of the time it was extremely radical.Quotenor was the radical Judaism he preached beyond the very broad span of our ancient traditions." Completely incorrect. Jesus in Mark 7 utterly spoke against the these traditions. These takanot. Matthew 15. QuoteWhat are you saying? Give several examples from his preaching. I don't believe you know. Just did.QuoteHe preached HE HIMSELF was GOD ALMIGHTYShow one place Jesus ever said that?Just one...
Quote from: duffyd on 08/04/2020 05:21:22I have no reason to doubt that he existed. As I said much earlier, he was a radical rabbi (addressed by his friends as such) who was killed for causing trouble. Nothing unusual about that, nor was the radical Judaism he preached beyond the very broad span of our ancient traditions.Good football coaches teach something they refer to as "staying on your block" which simply means, keep driving your legs and keep jamming your body with full force into the defender until the Ref blows his whistle. The phrase is just a reminder, a term that stresses the importance to persist, to keep going all out, and not let anything, anything, no matter what, direct your efforts away from that single minded goal. To wit, I have asked alan and his like-minded teammates to answer my questions which derive from the numerous and outrageous errors they make continuously. I am in no hurry. We have a long time before that whistle blows. Be aware, and if you are intelligent and a good dude/dudess, you can't miss it: Our intellectual superheroes don't participate in these debates as though they have any confidence in the positions they hold. Again, my friend, what do you mean he was a radical rabbi? Where did you get that idea? You say his buds said that about him. What did they say? specifically, do you really know? (I don't think you do.)
I have no reason to doubt that he existed. As I said much earlier, he was a radical rabbi (addressed by his friends as such) who was killed for causing trouble. Nothing unusual about that, nor was the radical Judaism he preached beyond the very broad span of our ancient traditions.Good football coaches teach something they refer to as "staying on your block" which simply means, keep driving your legs and keep jamming your body with full force into the defender until the Ref blows his whistle. The phrase is just a reminder, a term that stresses the importance to persist, to keep going all out, and not let anything, anything, no matter what, direct your efforts away from that single minded goal. To wit, I have asked alan and his like-minded teammates to answer my questions which derive from the numerous and outrageous errors they make continuously. I am in no hurry. We have a long time before that whistle blows. Be aware, and if you are intelligent and a good dude/dudess, you can't miss it: Our intellectual superheroes don't participate in these debates as though they have any confidence in the positions they hold. Again, my friend, what do you mean he was a radical rabbi? Where did you get that idea? You say his buds said that about him. What did they say? specifically, do you really know? (I don't think you do.)
Again, what radical form of Judaism did Jesus preach?
"Nothing unusual about that,
nor was the radical Judaism he preached beyond the very broad span of our ancient traditions."
What are you saying? Give several examples from his preaching. I don't believe you know.
He preached HE HIMSELF was GOD ALMIGHTY
QuoteWhen I was 16, I immersed myself in Jewish mysticism, called Kabbalah. That was where I first came across a religious text that justified my existence.In a 16th Century study of human souls called The Door of Reincarnation, I read: "At times, a male will reincarnate in the body of a female, and a female will be in a male body."It gave me hope that maybe I wasn't crazy. This is an example of what I just wrote about. How does science explain this?
When I was 16, I immersed myself in Jewish mysticism, called Kabbalah. That was where I first came across a religious text that justified my existence.In a 16th Century study of human souls called The Door of Reincarnation, I read: "At times, a male will reincarnate in the body of a female, and a female will be in a male body."It gave me hope that maybe I wasn't crazy.
Is an epidemiological study accepted as proof?
Why are you playing games?
What's the point? I
If you have already decided GOD doesn't exist, why bother asking the same questions?
why do you change the subject and return to past topics
to ask more questions that have already been answered?
But, if you don't want answers, why keep asking the same kinds of questions repeatedly?
You already have the answers.
What is your point?
Control? I think so based on your documented history on this issue.
You bounce around, shifting from this to that to that and then this,
asking more questions until you recognize the answers you've received are more than you can handle.
Is there some satisfaction in "controlling" Christians you get?
You have said you despise us.
The evidence is abundant and crystal clear that you do.
That's fine. You should hate us.
It is fulfilment of HIS promise to us. A prophecy proven true over and over. (Science)
If you have been seeking answers with an unfeigned spirit of genuine interest,
You don't need any more information.
. Based on that fact, it certainly appears you have other motivations for making observations and asking questions.
But, the topic is, "can science prove GOD exists", not, "see if you humiliate people you despise by playing games with them."
Bear in mind that you don't really know very much about this topic. You may think you do, but you don't, if we are to go by your statements.
You've been shown many times to be incorrect
, but you flee that particular aspect of the topic and raise more questions, like it is a game, like it is fun.
It is all scientifically proven.
That will still not change my belief that the supernatural exists. I have had too many experiences indicating the existence of the supernatural.