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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 22/03/2023 20:00:13 »
The first time i found myself Alive...
Was at a funeral of an old lady..
That was the first time ever i had heard about, seen, & understood the concept of Death.
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 22/03/2023 13:33:37 »
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 21/03/2023 20:40:55
once you find yourself alive
How can you find yourself anything but alive?
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 16/03/2023 23:01:54 »
lol
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 14/03/2023 19:22:36 »
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 14/03/2023 17:03:32
I don't believe there is any irrefutable evidence though that says there was a beginning
There indeed is no irrefutable evidence of it. The big bang theory itself does not preclude it, but neither does it give any meaning to the phrase 'before the big bang'.
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 11/03/2023 18:55:47 »
I'm not the only moderator. If Halc thinks that you are getting too off topic, then you should respect his decree. If you want to ask about the energy source of the Big Bang, you can make a new thread about it. Just don't let it devolve into a discussion about your Theory D.
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 11/03/2023 11:41:24 »
Quote from: Dave Lev on 11/03/2023 05:52:25
I don't assert any new idea.
That's true. You assert ideas that were dismissed many years ago because they don't tally with the evidence.
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 11/03/2023 11:40:25 »
Quote from: Dave Lev on 11/03/2023 05:52:25
before the Big Bang.
A phrase that makes a little sense as "north of the North pole".
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 11/03/2023 05:52:25 »
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 10/03/2023 01:53:18
My premise is that there was no beginning, i.e., space, time, matter and energy have always existed.
Yes, it is very logical.
Quote from: Kryptid on 09/03/2023 17:32:28
The current assumption is that time started at the Big Bang, which would make these two assertions incorrect.
If we do understand by now that the Space/universe is infinite then it was already infinite before the Big Bang.
Do you agree that even in an empty space there is some sort of energy?
So how can we claim that in this infinite space with some minimal of energy there was no time before the Big Bang?
Quote from: Halc on 09/03/2023 07:12:04
I would ask you to confine your assertions to your own topics. You're hijacking this topic, and continued wild assertions will get the posts moved or simply deleted.
Dear Halc
I don't assert any new idea.
My question is about the energy source for the BBT which is fully correlated to this thread discussion
I have already asked Kryptid if I should stop.
Quote from: Dave Lev on 08/03/2023 15:21:00
If you don't like those questions, then please let me know and I would stop.
So far he was very kind and offered excellent answers.
However, if Kryptid thinks that this last question is too difficult to cover, then I would stop.
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 09/03/2023 17:32:28 »
Quote from: Dave Lev on 09/03/2023 05:48:21
However, now we do understand that the Universe was already infinite before the Big Bang.
Therefore, the time was ticking long before the Big Bang moment.

The current assumption is that time started at the Big Bang, which would make these two assertions incorrect.

Quote from: Dave Lev on 09/03/2023 05:48:21
So, please are you sure that we can bypass the law of physics while the time was already there?

There is no need to bypass the laws of physics. The energy was always there since the beginning of time.
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 09/03/2023 07:12:04 »
Quote from: Dave Lev on 09/03/2023 05:48:21
I do recall that just few years ago, Halc claimed that Just after the Big Bang the entire Universe was in the size of a grapefruit. (I specifically remember the word - "grapefruit")
Too bad you didn't remember the other important words. It was the visible universe, and it was approximately that size (give or take an order of magnitude or two) after the inflation epoch, which came after the Planck epoch and Grand Unified epoch.

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When I have asked about the energy source for the Big Bang, the answer was: As there was no space and no time, there is no need to explain the BBT energy source.
I would not have said that. For one, it is unclear if there is any energy since the total energy density of the universe may be zero if you add in the negatives with the positives. But I think if you ask the experts, the concept of total energy density is meaningless. It's all relative, not absolute, so there's only comparisons with other states.

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Therefore, the time was ticking long before the Big Bang moment.
I would ask you to confine your assertions to your own topics. You're hijacking this topic, and continued wild assertions will get the posts moved or simply deleted.
This particular assertion seems to be an exception because Bogie already envisions bangs happening in existing space at assorted times now and then. This cannot work, but he doesn't care.

Other assertions (like the confusion of scientists or the uselessness of their theories) will get treated as a hijack. So behave when being a guest in somebody else's blog.
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 09/03/2023 05:48:21 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 08/03/2023 17:37:54
I already explained that the Big Bang theory already assumes an infinite Universe and it does so without any need for infinite time because it was already infinite in size at the very first moment of time.
Dear Kryptid
I do recall that just few years ago, Halc claimed that Just after the Big Bang the entire Universe was in the size of a grapefruit. (I specifically remember the word - "grapefruit")
When I have asked about the energy source for the Big Bang, the answer was: As there was no space and no time, there is no need to explain the BBT energy source.
In other words, without space, there is no time and therefore we could technically bypass the law of physics and get almost unlimited energy for the bang without any need to explain its source.
However, now we do understand that the Universe was already infinite before the Big Bang.
Therefore, the time was ticking long before the Big Bang moment.
So, please are you sure that we can bypass the law of physics while the time was already there?
Don't you agree that now we must offer real source of infinite energy for the Big Bang to take place in the real infinite space/Universe?
We can't drive a car without source of energy.
So how can we drive a theory without real source of energy?
Sorry, if we can't offer real source of energy for the BBT to take place at the Infinite space/Universe, then this theory is useless.
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 08/03/2023 17:37:54 »
Quote from: Dave Lev on 08/03/2023 15:21:00
Don't you agree that our mission is to explain the entire space/universe and not just the part/section that we observe/see which is called observable universe?

We have no choice. We can't explain what we can't observe.

Quote from: Dave Lev on 08/03/2023 15:21:00
I would like to remind you that there was a time when people on earth thought that our planet is flat and if you cross the horizon, you might fall into the open space.
Hence, what we see is not good enough - not for today and not for the past.

The laws of physics weren't preventing people from accessing those unseen parts of the Earth. It was just a lack of know-how and trying. It's a rather different story for the observable universe (unless faster-than-light travel proves to be possible some day).

Quote from: Dave Lev on 08/03/2023 15:21:00
Hence, as the real space is infinite then why can't we assume that the real universe is also infinite.

The Big Bang theory generally does assume that.

Quote from: Dave Lev on 08/03/2023 15:21:00
Therefore, why do we insist on 13.8BY as some magic number?

Because that's how long ago the Big Bang happened.

Quote from: Dave Lev on 08/03/2023 15:21:00
Why do we refuse to accept the simple understanding that infinite space & Universe could exist if the time is also infinite or at least much bigger than this friction of moment (comparing to the infinity)

I already explained that the Big Bang theory already assumes an infinite Universe and it does so without any need for infinite time because it was already infinite in size at the very first moment of time.
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 08/03/2023 15:55:57 »
Quote from: Dave Lev on 08/03/2023 15:21:00
Therefore, why do we insist on 13.8BY as some magic number?
Because that's what the evidence says.
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 08/03/2023 15:21:00 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 07/03/2023 21:20:09
Quote from: Dave Lev on 07/03/2023 19:53:18
If the space is infinite then how the space could expand to the infinity in only 13.8BY?

The size of the observable universe is finite in part because light has only been able to travel for 13.8 billion years and in part because objects beyond a certain distance are recessing away from us too fast to ever be seen.
Dear Kryptid

Don't you agree that our mission is to explain the entire space/universe and not just the part/section that we observe/see which is called observable universe?
I would like to remind you that there was a time when people on earth thought that our planet is flat and if you cross the horizon, you might fall into the open space.
Hence, what we see is not good enough - not for today and not for the past.
Quote from: Kryptid on 07/03/2023 21:20:09
It's true that you can trace all the matter in our observable universe back to a tiny space, but that doesn't include all the matter that would be outside our observable universe.
We first must understand the size of our entire space/universe (yes even all the matter outside our observable universe) and just then try to explain it all with one and single theory.
Therefore, if Halc is correct, and "Most models presume space to be infinite" then it is our obligation to explain that infinite space.
Hence, as the real space is infinite then why can't we assume that the real universe is also infinite.

Therefore, why do we insist on 13.8BY as some magic number?

Why do we refuse to accept the simple understanding that infinite space & Universe could exist if the time is also infinite or at least much bigger than this friction of moment (comparing to the infinity)
If you don't like those questions, then please let me know and I would stop.
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 07/03/2023 21:20:09 »
Quote from: Dave Lev on 07/03/2023 19:53:18
If the space is infinite then how the space could expand to the infinity in only 13.8BY?

It didn't. The assumption of the Big Bang is that the Universe started off at infinite size at the Big Bang, but in an incredibly hot, dense state everywhere. Then, as it expanded, it cooled off until we have what we see today. The size of the observable universe is finite in part because light has only been able to travel for 13.8 billion years and in part because objects beyond a certain distance are recessing away from us too fast to ever be seen.

The idea that all matter in existence was once crammed into a single point of zero size is a something of a pop-sci myth. It's true that you can trace all the matter in our observable universe back to a tiny space, but that doesn't include all the matter that would be outside our observable universe. The word "singularity" is more of a reference to the fact that the Universe approaches infinite density and temperature as you go back through time and approach the moment of the Big Bang.
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 07/03/2023 19:53:18 »
Quote from: Halc on 28/02/2023 03:57:47
Most models presume space to be infinite.
If the space is infinite then how the space could expand to the infinity in only 13.8BY?
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 28/02/2023 03:57:47 »
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 28/02/2023 01:48:55
current Standard Cosmology, which I understand depicts finite space to be expanding
Current models do not posit finite space, but neither do they require infinite space. Most models presume space to be infinite.

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My question is, does the BB model refer to the action going on at the expanding boundary of the universe as creating space and matter out of nothingness?
No viable model posits a boundary to space, not even the ones with finite space.

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is it consistent to predict that  anti-space or negative space, and anti-matter are building up and exist beyond that expanding universe, in a sort of anti or negative universe?
There is no meaningful 'beyond space'. There might be other universes, but there wouldn't be a meaningful say direction in which they might be. If there was, it would just be a different but distant part of the same space. A type-1 multiverse is exactly that: Just locations in our space too distant to measure from Earth.
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 13/02/2023 20:42:00 »
The " New Theories " section limits Us to be inside the bounds Logical Reasoning & Critical Thinking...

Maybe, U should create a New OP in the " Just Chat " section..

& name it ' Wild Speculative Imagination '.

P.S. - lol
😇
(angel smiles emoji)
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 09/02/2023 20:20:49 »
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 02/02/2023 01:51:21
Quote from: Zer0 on 29/01/2023 22:29:51
Returning back to the Original flavour of this OP...

The Observable Edge of the Universe is drifting away FTL, Correct?
I'm not sure ...

I've read that in Alot of places.
(FTL - Faster Than Light)
Halc mentioned 3c.
(c - speed of light in a vacuum)


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So if there ever was to be a new BB at the Farthest Edge of the Universe, how would/could We Observe it?
I was thinking that one possible sign of a distant BB might be a gamma ray burst.?

But Gamma Rays would travel at (c) speed.
If the distance between Us & Gamma Rays was increasing FTL, then how would They ever reach Us?


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If WE cannot Observe/Measure it & there ain't no Data/Evidence for it, does it then mean it's Not Real?
I'd say no, though you do need some evidence to support a theory. But speculation can be fun, lol.

Yes Indeed!
Speculating is Amusing.
Assuming higher dimensions exist, Guessing gravity penetrates thru all of em, using all sorts of calculations to derive an equation which could predict future results with a very high rate of accuracy is quite interesting.
I mean, if it works, then why not!


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P.S. - i wonder if the Universe is what We make off of it, based on Our species potential & capacity of Understanding.
🧠
(human brain emoji)
I guess it is what we make of it, but maybe if we were more brainy we could make more sense of it.

Yep!
Humans are considered to be at the pinnacle of intellectual intelligence, but that's in comparison to the other species around Us...I'm assuming We are Clever, but not the Cleverest.


P.S. - "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
A.E.
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New Theories / Re: If there was one Big Bang event, why not multiple big bangs?
« on: 02/02/2023 20:17:21 »
Then what happens if there are really " Multiple Universes " but no way for Us to observe, measure or obtain any evidence for Them?

P.S. - Sorry to have sounded Metaphysical...
I won't go there again.
👻
(ghost emoji)
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